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Utah prosecutors forward allegations against Sens. Mike Lee, Harry Reid to feds

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  • doylespar WARETOWN, NJ
    March 17, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    Did Utah throw in Reid because they are a rockheaded Republbiot Bastion?

  • shabam Ogden, UT
    March 15, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    THIS IS A CASE OF ; Mike Lee and his associates trying to associate Harry Reid with their Mormon Political Scandals of what they already knew, and have known, and have addressed for the past year or more about their attorney gen scandal.
    Now, Mike Lee, the Tea Party , sees a chance to blame the whole scandal on someones name who had nothing to do with any of it... what a jamoke.
    Toss this Kook out of office, you already have the career politician Hatch.

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    March 15, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    The subject article, "Utah Prosecutors forward allegations against Sens. Mike Lee AND (emphasis mine) Harry Reid to Feds," specifically addressed charges against Sen. Mike Lee, without further specificity of the alleged charges sent to the Attorney General's office regarding Sen. Reid. Then there is a picture of Sen. Mike Lee. Let the slanted publicity games begin. It's election time.

    Reid's and Lee's alleged misdeeds were carefully reported in the Salt Lake Tribune on March 12, 2013, and in that article, at least, the account of Sen. Reid's potential involvement in what may be described as a "bribe" to de-rail a federal law suit. That is serious stuff.

    Lee sounds like many victims of a very challenging economic period, but the article made it sound like he was a villain. He was doing what President Obama encouraged, and hundreds of thousands of people who found themselves on the short end of a mortgage did: He took advantage of the law, and in the process, poked a finger in the eye the greedy banks and mortgage companies.

    Nice job of what appears to be biased reporting. But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    March 15, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    If it gets as far as the US DOJ, I predict that under Holder, Lee will be deemed "guilty" of something and Ried will be found guiltless and the charges not even worth investigating.

  • DLF GLENDALE, UT
    March 15, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    The story appears to be aimed at the only LDS member of the U.S. Senate, Mike Lee, who has a 100 percent voting record. He is the only Mormon who consistently honors his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Equating him to the senator from Nevada by implication of wrongdoing is a bit of wrongdoing in itself. Long after the allegations are dismissed, voters will remember the headline; they will think Lee must somehow be as bad as Reid.

  • cindy56k TOK, AK
    March 15, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    As a now outsider from Utah beings I don't live there any longer, I see that Mike Lee is someone you all should be proud of, he is one of a few who are really fighting for your freedom, Harry Reid on the other had just wants to take it away. Why worry about his house problem or whatever happened,worry about your rights under the Constitution that have been violated by this administration including and especially Harry Reid. To the person who is upset with Lee because she or he is a democrat, no wonder. The liberals don't want the truth out and they will do whatever they can do cast doubt on these senators that are fighting for your freedom.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    March 15, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    Should we really be surprised by any of this, on either side of the aisle?

    There is far too much money in politics. The Supreme Court didn't help matters much when they defined corporations as people and allowed them to funnel as much soft money as they wanted to into politics. As long as there is millions of dollars on the line, politicians of all political stripes will be caught influence peddling.

    All over the country our political contribution laws (and politicians) are ethically challenged. When politics have become a high stakes game of Monopoly, rather than representing constituents, it's time to limit the influence of money in politics.

    Unfortunately, this won't happen. We don't have enough honest representatives (and there are a few, but too few) to wield enough influence to change the laws. Besides, corporations will throw more money at them to prevent changes to campaign donations and threaten to move jobs elsewhere unless they get what they want.

  • I_Know_Utah Mesquite, NV
    March 15, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Best of luck getting Slick Harry... Nevadans have tried for years Unsuccessfully...

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    if this is true, both should be removed from office, and prosecuted.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    @Desert, President Obama was elected by the majority of US citizens.
    If repubs want to get back in the White House, you may want to consider a platform that is best for the country, not what's best for military contractors, bigotry and the wealthiest 10% .

  • Vince Ballard South Ogden, UT
    March 15, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    First, no one should want to "bust" someone merely because of their politics. Secondly, as cynical an age as we live in, no one should assume that because someone had dealings with a person guilty of misconduct, that make them also guilty. Lets let the facts rule.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    March 15, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    wer, "This state needs...Progressives!" Or should the sentence be finished with "...more RINOs like Hatch!" So what if the information leads to charges against Reid, will you be equally enthusiastic?

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    March 15, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    MapleDon, I completely agree with you in regards to Mike Lee. Further nobody has proven one thing against him or Jeremy Johnson but they have been crucified by the government and media just for being successful and generous. As far as Harry Reid is concerned he is just one of Obamas lackeys.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 15, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    Otis

    "... confederate flags were being waved, and insurrection being shouted...and Lee, along with Cruz and Palin, stood there and did nothing to stop it."

    It's so easy to pick out a 'lib' these days.

    I wonder what your comment would have been if Lee, Cruz, or Palin had whipped out a gun and just shot those flag waving distractors and insurrectionists on the spot?

    I can't wait for another lib curb kicking festival to begin this November. You can bet I'm donating to the cause in this state and in others.

    Senator Lee is the man!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 15, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Lets see here..... the DOJ was just now forwarded this information.... and now we are "implicating them as well".

    Good grief, lets give it a rest.

    A young lady in my ward was murdered 9 years ago. The suspect was arrested just 3 years ago. He had his first trial on the case, less than 12 months ago. He finally took a guilty plea - just last week.

    This isn't TV folks. The gears of justice don't turn at TV speeds. This is real life. The DoJ has to have enough evidence to actually believe they can WIN a case.... not just feel something is wrong. Lets cool the jets and let both of these men get the due diligence both deserve.

    If what this early evidence shows is true... very disappointing. I don't agree with Lee, nor Reed, on many things. But that is far different then accusing them of using their offices to gain personal benefit. Both men should be morally above that. Lets hope there is rational explanations for what this evidence points to.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    March 15, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Mike Lee needs to come clean over what happened with his home in Utah County. It looks so sketchy and he has some explaining to do. It was a big mistake to toss a good and honest man -- Senator Bennett -- for somebody like Mike Lee who's recently elected and already up to no good.

    I hope we can replace Mr. Lee with somebody who values honesty in 2016. That is, if he doesn't end up resigning before then.

  • Joemamma W Jordan, UT
    March 15, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    This is nothing but an effort to tarnish Senator Lee and the TEA party's reputation before the mid term elections.
    The "use Harry Reid" ploy is being done to create the perception this is bipartisan when in reality is not.
    Harry Reid is too powerful in government to suffer any backlash from this, the media, the senate and more than half the house will circle the wagons around Reid.. However Senator Lee will be thrown out to the wolves as he pretty much stands alone with Senator Cruz and Senator Rand.
    Chicago style politics being perpetrated by the Republican establishment and the progressive liberals to outs and destroy the TEA part and its candidates.
    Senator Lee, I stand with you 100%

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    March 15, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    I'm not saying it's appropriate, but donations organized/orchestrated by special interest groups is now the de facto way to get elected in this country - either directly or indirectly through PACs and/or other similar organizations.

    I dare say that collectively Utah politics are no worse than anywhere else and in many cases significantly more tame than places like Chicago, New York, New Jersey, etc.

    Politicians love to talk about campaign reform in the hope that it will dampen what their opponents can do but in reality, they're in it together.

    We will continue to see isolated cases of politicians who get in trouble because they were careless in their communication or other missteps but in fact, they are doing nothing different than the rest of their colleagues. It's not going away because we've allowed the infrastructure to become too strong. If you want to have a voice in who gets elected, your best chance is to align with a special interest group that represents your views.

    All this impropriety talk makes great news fodder but I just don't see a path to meaningful change.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 15, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    If it were Lee, I'd be somewhat surprised, although I'd wish different, but can't say the same about Harry Reid.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    March 15, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    We need to ignore "evidence of wrongdoing" statements where the alledged wrongdoing is not identifed. I can find evidence of wrong doing against anyone. They forgot to return a pen at work or they went 3 miles per hour over the speed limit or they changed lames without using a blinker. If someone did something wrong, say what it is so that people can judge the seriousness of the offense. Otherwise you are simply muckraking. As for Senator Lee - we should definitely get rid of the few senators who will actually take steps to reign in our out of control federal government. It is easier to raid the treasury when no one is standing watch

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    March 15, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    This is only one of a string of issues for Reid.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 15, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    So the allegations are: Mike Lee was introduced to a donor, and Harry Reid was channeled money to influence an FTC investigation.

    Any bets on which allegation this DOJ will pursue?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    March 15, 2014 3:09 a.m.

    Unfortunately, Utah is what it is and every thing this team of Herbert's has uncovered is true to all government positions including the governors and since their are no laws broken other than issues of morale ethics judgement, it is legal and normal politics in Utah. This team just presented what the UEG has been trying to do for the last 5 years, promote ethical government and open elections disclosure. Slander is they only thing this team has accomplished and to the wrong man who inherited the fraud and crime ridden AG office. Shurtleff created it to aid legislators and politicians in their quest for marginal laws to benefit themselves and their families with nepotism and corruption.

    Nothing illegal has been done by any politicians, Swallow or Shurtleff in Utah other than unethical standards most people think politicians should have. Being unethical is not a crime in Utah and why this whole investigation has been a sham to illegally discredit and slander political opponent Swallow and $3 million dollars of tax funds. I hope the governor got his rocks off just to get rid of the only ethical elected politician Utah has had in 40 years, Swallow.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 15, 2014 1:07 a.m.

    DonMaple made a part time job of telling us John Swallow was innocent as well.

    FYI --
    Mike Lee didn't make his house payments.
    This should come as a shock to nobody.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    Just a brief sentence or two indicating that the DOJ has basically refused to do their job. This may be due to that agency's bosses to protect US Senators. If illegal is proven by these senators before the DOJ gets involved (if it ever does), then that agency's leaders need to be implicated, as well.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 14, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    Oh yes please! This is too good to be true! I want to see Mike Lee gone! Get him out! If this doesn't send him to jail then I will register as a republican and campaign to become a delegate in the next caucus to get rid of Lee. This state needs him gone.

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    March 14, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    MapleDon,

    Do you really believe the the DMN and KSL have it out for Sen. Lee? Or is it that Sen. Lee makes himself such an easy target for ridicule?

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    March 14, 2014 9:07 p.m.

    Recalling the early comments about John Swallow and his possible wrong doings.
    Many politicians and citizens said the allegations were mean spirited and libelous.
    Well, now we know how that turned out.
    Guess we better wait and see what the truth may be concerning Mr. Lee!

  • Brown Honeyvale, CA
    March 14, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    @ OtisBDriftwood Silly "flag waving" comment. Everyone has the right of free speech and freedom of expression. I don't agree when some choose to burn the American flag in protest, but it is protected. Had they 'done something to stop it' they would be accused of blocking free speech.

    I for one am tired of sensationalized headlines which, when you read the article, have very little to do with the actual facts (like this one). Reporters and the editors are banking on the fact that most just read headlines and don't fully research issues. They are able to smear individuals with a simple headline. (Remember the oped of "Romney thinks Detroit should go Bankrupt") Super unethical and down right wrong in my opinion. Stop releasing allegations, let the investigations play out and stop making snap judgements along the way.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    @MapleDon - This article asserts in no way that there was "damning evidence" against Lee or Reid. All it said was that investigators found evidence that they were passing on to federal investigators. The article merely reports what information there is available and (in point of fact) actually does a pretty UN-biased job of presenting that information. There's no implication that there are pending charges or that they've even done anything wrong, just that there's evidence turned up in the Swallow investigation that was deemed worthy of being forwarded onto the USDOJ. I'm no fan of Lee or Reid, but I think you've read too deep between the lines of this article.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    With Eric Holder running the DOJ they might do better putting the information into the shredder.
    They definitely won't go after Reid. Now if they could parse him out of the report Holder would love to go after Lee.

  • Cowboy Joe Encampment, WY
    March 14, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    @maple don couldn't you say that about most politicians regardless of party? You're just picking democrat examples as if republicans are great honest politicians.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 14, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    So where's the damning evidence against Senators Lee and Reid? Nothing in the article indicates wrongdoing. I'm fully aware of the hatred that certain people at KSL and the Deseret News have towards Lee. They've been quite outspoken and working hard to influence the public's opinion against him. But, until sufficient evidence is provided showing wrongdoing by Lee and Reid, I suggest letting cool heads prevail.

    @LovelyDeseret

    Don't forget Clinton and Gore.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    March 14, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    While I think this is wrong and I hope Lee and Reid pay for any crimes they committed, I thought this was exactly what the Obama Administration did to get elected.