I am Utah fan and at the moment BYU > Utah. As per expert committee of march
madness BYU is #10 seed where as #Utah is #5 seed of inferior tournament. If you look at overall college basketball history Utah > BYU, they have
more NCAA wins and overall success in NBA. If you look at Dave Rose era
or last decade BYU > Utah. Just look at the numbers.
Which Utah players were Top 25 scorers in NBA history?------------------------As far as Ainge's integral part in
Boston's NBA championships, it's quite evident that it goes way beyond
numbers to a thing called "leadership".Larry Bird won three
championships with the Celtics in 1980-81, 1983-84, and 1985-86; Ainge played on
two of those three championship teams and was himself voted an all-star in
1987-88.Ainge left the Celtics the following year and the Celtics
didn't win another championship until 2007-08, after Ainge had returned to
the Celtics as President of Basketball Operations.----------------"Winning titles is all about team..."A true, but ironic statement coming from someone who continually trashes
Jimmer for not getting his team past the Sweet Sixteen, despite being the
Consensus National Player of the Year.
Skywayker, Ainge wasn't a "starter" in 83-84. He was a sixth man
averaging less than 6 ppg. BYU revisionist history doesn't change
historical fact. Those Ute players were drafted by the likes of the
Clippers (Chambers), Bucks (Bogut), and New Jersey Nets (Van Horn...who helped
them get to the NBA finals for the first time in their NBA history).Danny Ainge played for 3 teams after he left the Celtics and never won a
championship, despite being surrounded by ample talent.Of the top 25
scorers in NBA history, 8 of them never won a ring, including Reggie Miller,
Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Karl Malone, and Jerry West. Winning titles is all about team and Danny Ainge's stats and contribution
to the NBA Celtics were negligible.
DUFCheck your facts.In 1983-84, Danny Ainge only
"started" 3 games, but he played in 71, and was an integral part of
Boston's NBA championship team. Not "starting" was simply the
product of the rotation the coach has established for that season.In
1982-83, Ainge started 76 of 80 games. In 1984-85, he started 73 of 75 games.--------------Your turn:How many NBA
championships were Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, or Andrew Bogut
an integral part of?Utah fans love to rag on Jimmer because he
didn't get the Cougars past the Sweet Sixteen, despite being the national
Player of the Year, yet you pick and choose when team success matters, or
doesn't.Bogut, Utah's celebrated #1 draft pick,
didn't get the Utes past the Sweet Sixteen and his NBA teams have been
mediocre, at best.
UteologyYou can argue until you're blue in the face, but the
fact remains, in the biggest game of the season with the most riding on the
outcome for the Utes, Utah's two best playersWright (1-8, 5
points) and Loveridge (0-6, 2 points) were both
miserable failures, unless you consider setting a record for PAC 12 tournament
scoring futility some kind of "achievement".You still
haven't explained how Wright's NBA "potential" made any
difference whatsoever for Utah this season.
FACTChequer, check your facts. Danny Ainge was not a starter on the 83-84
Celtic team. He came off the bench. He rode the coattails of 4 NBA HOF's
to win two championship rings.Review the game notes on any website
of each game and Ainge's name isn't even mentioned, except to be
called a "dirty player" by Don Nelson and Tree Rollins.His
playoff scoring average those two years was 10.02 points per game for a 2
guard!Ainge was traded in 89 due to the aging Celtics roster and
because Michael Jordan was notorious for torching Ainge, including 63 points in
a playoff game in 86.
Uteology"NCAA Tournament 2011: Las Vegas Odds to Win & Picks
- Feb 16, 2011"It's laughable that you cherry picked the
Odds from two weeks BEFORE BYU stomped SDSU in San Diego.February
26/27, 2011:Steve Megargee - Rivals: "It's time to stop
thinking of BYU as a one-man team and time to start thinking of the Cougars as a
potential No. 1 seed."Eamonn Brennan - ESPN: "I'm
banging Jim Cramer's "buy buy buy!" button to annoying effect. Be
skeptical if you want, but don't be surprised when the Cougars prove you
wrong in the tournament. You were warned."JeffGoodman - FOX
Sports: "The Jimmer and BYU went into the Viejas Center and came away with a
victory – and the Cougars also have put themselves in position for a No. 1
seed."Luke Wynn - Sports Illustrated: Comments on how BYU
overcame the SDSU crowd to move closer to a No. 1 seed.Just a
sampling of the many national sports pundits who were discussing BYU's
potential for a No. 1 seed only a couple of days before Brandon Davies was
suspended.Whether you're willing to admit it or not, a team
that is in contention for a No. 1 seed is a national championship contender.
The greatest NBA player BYU has ever produced started on TWO NBA championship
teams.Not sure who you consider the greatest NBA player Utah has
ever produced, since no Utah player has ever started on an NBA championship
team.Collectively, former Utah players have earned absolutely
nothing of significance in the NBA.--------According to
the silly "scoreboard" argument, how does it feel to be forced to admit
that Ecker Studio was BETTER than the 1944 NCAA tournament champion Utes? That banner that hangs in the Huntsman really belongs to a bunch of
nameless players representing a photo studio at 133 1/2 So Main, since they
earned it by proving they were BETTER than the 1944 Utes by virtue of
@TrueBlueJimmer, without Davies, got the Cougars to within a missed
FT in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight...At least Haws and
Collinsworth helped keep the WCC championship game respectable for BYU.-------------Moral victories? Yet you mock close games on Ute
boards. Classic!Wright cares about his NBA potential and so does
Ute Nation. Just like how much Cougar Nation cares about Jimmer's
potential of being an NBA-All Star, only if Sacramento/Chicago gave him a
chance. Utah was a miserable failure in 1 of 3 games against
Arizona. He's not an NBA prospect based on ONE game. Take your time
understanding that concept.Collinsworth was injured he no hand in
Gonzaga missing free throws down the stretch. That's the ONLY reason BYU
didn't lose by 17+ points. And yes I'm using the same argument BYU
"fans" used in Utah's game against Stanford.
No playoff, Scott Wedman, Jerry Sichting, and Bill Walton were also contributors
on those Celtics team (each had more points per minute than Ainge). Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, Chris Mullin, Alex English, and many other much
more prolific scorers and hall of fame players never won an NBA championship.
Are you going to diminish there accomplishments because they didn't play
with Bird, DJ, Mchale, and Parrish?
@TrueBlueJimmer, without Davies, got the Cougars to within a missed
FT in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight; with Davies, BYU was a
national championship contender.-------------I have told
you over and over again that is not true. What do you insist on posting the
same false claim?According to Yahoo Sports and the Las Vegas Hilton
BYU was a long shot to win the tournament with Davis. They were never a
contender."One word gives BYU a shot to make a deep run and a
worthy long shot bet, Jimmer. Jimmer Fredette has carried this average team to
the NCAA Tournament ... BYU is the best long shot bet [75-1] on the board to win
the NCAA Tournament"NCAA Tournament 2011: Las Vegas Odds to Win
& PicksTodd JacobsFeb 16, 2011Feel free to provide
me with a source that agree with you.
DraperUteFanI look forward to Utah fans trying to claim that winning
in the NIT is better than losing in the NCAA.------------------Danny Ainge was an integral part of those great Boston Celtics teams.
There isn't a single Utah player who has ever won the John
Wooden Award and also been a starter on an NBA championship team. Andrew Bogut
has never even come close, in fact, most of the teams he's played on
haven't even qualified for the playoffs.Remind us what integral
part Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, or Andrew Bogut played on an
NBA championship team.
Rockwell,You deserve only what you earn.The scoreboard
tells us what you've earned.And the scoreboard in sweet 16 told
what you earned.And what you earned was a trip home.Teams that go to final fours do so because the scoreboard tells them they
earned it.LOL - keep telling yourself you are better than the
scoreboard - the ONLY thing that matters is what the scoreboard says.
.."if davies had played"LOLHe didn't.If Jordan Loveridge had scored 10,000 points yesterday Utah would have
won.He didn't. And davies didn't play.And did you guys evaluate every single "if only" scenario of
every other team in the NCAA dance? Or did you assume the only
thing that hurt any team in the entire dance was the davies situation?
truth machine,Saying "byu would have done better if Davies has
played" is such a lame argument. I could argue that if Jabari
Parker and Wiggins and Randle all picked Utah then Utah would have won a
national title.They didn't pick Utah. And davies
was the sole reason davies didn't play. byu accomplished what
they deserve - and that was a sweet 16 and nothing more
Btw, those years "Ainge is directly responsible for" the championships,
he averaged 5.4 and 10.7 points respectively (below his 11.5 career
averages).Ainge's career scoring average is below that of Andre
Miller (a 15-year NBA veteran and never known as a great shooter) and Keith Van
Horn.The greatest NBA player BYU ever produced has a career scoring
average below Van Horn, Andre Miller, and Tom Chambers.
What happened to the no shouting in all caps rule? "Bottom line" is
Ainge had a very long playing career after he left Boston and never won a
championship on some very good Portland and Phoenix teams. I have three words
for you...Parrish, Mchale, and Bird.I look forward to seeing the
"much better to be invited" talk after BYU loses in the first round and
solidifies the "Dave Rose era" mediocrity in postseason play.
DraperUteFanAinge has won two NBA championships a starter and one as
President of Basketball Operations. That's more NBA
championships that Ainge is directory responsible for than Tom Chambers, Keith
Van Horn, Andre Miller, and Andrew Bogut have COMBINED!It's
interesting how you're trying to deflect attention away from Utah's
annihilation at the hands of Arizona by discussing NBA and post season
success.Bottom line, regardless of what happens in the tournament,
its MUCH better to be invited to the Big Dance, than to be left on the outside
Truth Machine, Magic won a championship ring after Kareem went down with an
injury in the finals against Dr. J's 76ers. Magic played center and put the
Lakers on his back and won the closeout game without Jabbar. BYU
probably would have gotten further with Davies, but how much further is pure
speculation. BYU fans claim they were a lock for the Final 4 and many assume a
national championship. The easiest championships to win are those of fans
conjecturing them so.If the games were won/lost based solely on
speculation, Gonzaga would have made it to the Final 4 last year and we know
they didn't come close.
So True Blue, let's get this straight. You conjecture all over the map
about what "might have been" had Davies been healthy, then go on to say
"who cares about Wright's potential." Dude, at least be
consistent. If you are going to play the conjecture game the door needs to
swing both ways.Furthermore, BYU has a long history of good players
who frankly don't become regular rotation players in the NBA (Smith,
Toolson, Jimmer) and Haws will be the same. Devin Durrant, Timo Saraelinin (sp),
Rafael Araujo, and the list goes on of players who were good players for BYU and
did not have much of an NBA career. Fred Roberts and Danny Ainge are the most
significant NBA players I'm aware of in BYU history and Roberts was a
rotation guy.Conversely, Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller,
and Andrew Bogut are just a few Utah players who have had significant playing
careers in the NBA. Compare scoring numbers between Ainge and Chambers btw.
Chambers is in the 20,000+ club and Ainge has under 12,000.As for
the "we kept it close but lost 75-62 to Wichita State" argument,
seriously? Talk about meaningless moral victories.
christyA team that entered the NCAA tournament 32-4, with
back-to-back 30+ win seasons, something Utah has NEVER accomplished,
"DESERVED" to go much farther than the Sweet 16.
cb"Don't bring up the Davies excuse."Why
not; it's a legitimate argument. Losing a key player just before the
playoffs would adversely affect any team. How far would the Bulls have gotten
without Jordan or Pippen? How far would the Lakers have gotten with Jabbar or
Magic? How far would the Celtics have gotten without Bird or McHale?Don't kid yourself. Not all teams lose their 2nd best player and only low
post threat only days before the playoffs.BYU didn't go farther
than the Sweet 16 because they lost a key player.Utah 1998
wouldn't have gotten past the 2nd round without Miller or Doleac.Utah
2005 wouldn't have gotten out of the 1st round without Bogut.Utah
2009 wouldn't have been invited to the Big Dance without Neville.LOL at your lame Sweet 16 "prediction". Should we "mark it
down" with your Utah 68,Arizona 65 prediction?
"Our worst decade is still better than BYU's best decade as far as
postseason accomplishments are concerned."Gotta luv the
delusional spin blowing from the hill this morning.Only under the
crimson bubble would playing in TWO NCAA tournaments be considered BETTER than
playing in SEVEN NCAA tournaments.Using that logic, a team that
played in ONE tournament and won a single game before losing to finish 1-1,
would be considered BETTER than a team that played in TEN tournaments and
finished with a 5-10 record; after all, a 50% winning percentage is BETTER than
a 33% winning percentage in post season play.
trueblue.Don't bring up the Davies excuse. All teams have
injuries or setbacks they deal with. byu didn't go farther than the sweet
16 because they didn't deserve to go farther than the sweet 16.The next team from Utah to win a sweet 16 game will be the same program that
last won a sweet 16 game - and its not byU
UteologyUtah's previous record doesn't count, because, as
we've been told ad nauseum by Utah fans, any achievement earned outside of
membership in an "elite" conference is meaningless.What
exactly has Utah accomplished in the last decade, anyway?Your #1 NBA
draft "who actually plays" was only able to get the Utes to the Sweet
16, where they didn't even come close to advancing to the Elite Eight, and
that was almost 10 years ago.Jimmer, without Davies, got the Cougars
to within a missed FT in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight; with
Davies, BYU was a national championship contender.Who cares about
Wright's NBA "potential"? He and Loveridge were both
miserable failures in Utah's biggest game of the season. Blame the disgrace
on the "competition" if it helps you sleep at night, but BYU also played
a #1 seed, undefeated Wichita State at a neutral site earlier this season, and
played a very competitive game, before fading a little in the closing minutes to
lose 62-75.At least Haws and Collinsworth helped keep the WCC
championship game respectable for BYU.
@killarneyLincoln Park, ILIt's interesting that fans of a
team that hasn't won an NCAA tournament game in almost a decade are talking
about "mediocre" records in the post season.By any
definition, 0 of 1 for the decade can't even be classified as
"mediocre".----------It's true Utah has
been horrible over the last decade. But since this is 2014 over the
last decade Utah is 2-2 (50%) with ONE Sweet 16 and ONE #1 draft pick that
actually plays regardless of what team he is on. On the hand, BYU
over the last decade has enjoyed 20+ win seasons and all you have to show for it
is a 4-6 (40%) tournament record. Which includes a play-in-game so technically
BYU has only won 3 first round games compared to Utah's 2 over the same
period. Plus ONE Sweet 16.Our worst decade is still better than
BYU's best decade as far as postseason accomplishments are concerned.
@ObjectifiedHaws is the #6 leading scorer in the entire nation and
you actually claim he's Spanish league material. Wow. What a super quick
way to lose all credibility. -----------My claim was
based on research. According to most NBA mock drafts:* Haws is not
a NBA prospect* Wright is projected as a late first rounderIf
Wright can develop his outside shooting he could go earlier in the draft. Haws
is a great shooter, but his game isn't suited for the NBA.Feel
free to provide a source that disagrees.
It's interesting that fans of a team that hasn't won an NCAA
tournament game in almost a decade are talking about "mediocre" records
in the post season.By any definition, 0 of 1 for the decade
can't even be classified as "mediocre".
DraperUteFanThere's NOTHING mediocre about being invited to the
Big Dance.Who cares about student body or gym size? San Francisco
won back-to-back national championships playing in the exact same conference and
gym as they play in now?If accomplishments are meaningless unless
they're achieved in an "elite" conference or played in a big gym,
what does that say about Utah's past accomplishments, most of which were
achieved achieved playing in "small" conferences and small gyms (see
Einar Nielsen Field House)?BYU played in the NIT semi-final last
season, so in the "post-season", BYU is 7-8 in the NCAA and NIT
combined, 7-4 in the last four seasons. A 7-8 record during the last 9
post-seasons is well above average.Do a little research and tell us
how many coaches have won 232+ games and played in 7 NCAA tournaments during the
last 9 seasons. Guaranteed, it's in the Top 30, which would be Top 10% of
the 350+ Division 1 coaches, significantly higher than your grossly "below
Just a couple of days ago, Utah fans were trashing BYU and its best players for
not showing up against Gonzaga, so the comparison with how Utah showed up
against Arizona is interesting.BYU 54-65 loss - 21 of 59 (44%), Haws
24 (6 of 14), Collinsworth 13 (5 of 11)Utah 39-71 loss - 12 of 47
(26%), Wright 5 (1 of 8), Loveridge 2 (0 of 6)It's pretty easy
to see which team and stars weren't even remotely competitive in their
biggest game of the season.
Interesting fact: In hypothetical rematches over the past 4 years, BYU is
8,342-0! What a program!
Rockwell, I wrote the "postseason success is mediocrity by any
definition." Do you consider first round exits in three seasons with a
likely 4th and a 4-6 NCAA tourney record (soon to be 4-7) to be better than
mediocrity? Curious for a sub .500 record. Do you consider not winning a
conference championship yet less than mediocrity for a team with a student body
and gym size 5 times larger than their nearest WCC competitor?Keep
hanging your hat on the Dave Rose Era...it looks pretty good in the regular
season and very below average in the postseason.
DraperUteFan: Show me a meaningful difference between the postseason
experience (through 8 seasons of head coaching) of these two coaches.
Shouldn't be too hard to figure out who they are, that one of them has only
been a head coach for 8 seasons, and that the other one had a lot of success
after his first 8.Coach A:NIT Second RoundNIT Third
RoundNIT Second Round(missed postseason)NCAA Second Round(missed postseason)NCAA Sweet SixteenNIT Third PlaceCoach B:NIT First RoundNCAA First RoundNCAA First RoundNCAA First RoundNCAA Second RoundNCAA Sweet SixteenNCAA
Second Round (i.e. the "original" first round)NIT Second Place
DraperUteFanIf SEVEN NCAA appearances in nine seasons is your
definition of "mediocrity", what do you call ONE NCAA appearance in nine
seasons?In Utah's ONLY appearance, as a 5th seed, the Utes were
EMBARRASSED by a 12th seed, ironically, the same Arizona team that blew you off
the court today.The harder you try to dig up stats to minimize the
Dave Rose era, the deeper the hole you dig for your own credibility.Time just let it go.
DraperUteFanGotta laugh at the cherry picking that Utah fans have to
rely on to help themselves feel better about their mediocre, bottom dwelling
program.During the Dave Rose eraBYU: 232-77(75%), NINE
straight 20+ win seasons, SIX going on SEVEN NCAAs, FOUR conference
championships, 12-4 versus UtahUtah: 137-148(48%), TWO 20+ win
seasons, SIX losing seasons, ONE NCAA, ONE conference championship, 4-12 versus
BYUNCAA bid > 8th place PAC 12 finish, regardless of how you
KenSandy, UT"Why are WCC fans commenting on this game?
Other than Gonzaga, that league isn't more than a step above church
ball."Ken I thought we saw a lot of church ball today and we
can't blame the WCC.
Uteology:C'mon dude you're smarter than to start the Arizona
argument about BYU. On that neutral floor in 2010-2011 season BYU beat (nay,
blew out) an Arizona team that won the PAC10 championship, and made the elite
8...by 22 points! Who cares that they blew out the team one year prior by the
largest margin ever at McHale center. BYU has demoralized Arizona, not just
beaten them, while U can't beat them. I guess it shouldn't surprise me
that you only want to talk about the 2009-2010 team.
Snack, BYU has yet to win a WCC title in the "Dave Rose Era." BYU is
going to exit the NCAA tournament in the first game for the 4th time in the
"Dave Rose era."The Utes as players would love to be playing
in the Dance, but as an objective fan I know they are not ready yet for it.Celebrate the "Dave Rose Era" if you will. Minus the
"Jimmer Era" the postseason success is mediocrity by any definition.
phantomblade"Good luck to all three Utah schools. Of the three,
UVU is the most likely to be dancing next week."Spot on!USU 39 SDSU 73Utah 39 Ariz 71UVU 83 TxPanAm 63Maybe we'll see Utah at Utah State in the NIT. Aggie fans would certainly
be more enthusiastic about the game.
DraperUteFanBYU is 4-6 in the Big Dance, during the Dave Rose era,
with at least one win in each of their last three appearances in 2010, 2011, and
2012.Utah is one and done for the ENTIRE Dave Rose era.As far as who cares?You do!Don't kid yourself.
The Utes would give their eye teeth to be playing in the Big Dance next week.
Objectified, the Utes lost and I didn't run away from that. All I said to
the gloating Cougar pack was BYU and fans will celebrate an NCAA tournament
appearance the same they all celebrated a bowl appearance...with a loss.I wouldn't trade places with BYU. Utah overachieved this year...BYU
underachieved. Utah stunk up the gym today, but exceeded all pundits and fans
expectations for the season.BTW, over the years the 12/5 seed games
are where a significant number of upsets occur. Kyle Collinsworth will suddenly
become the Brandon Davies of the 2013-14 season once the Cougars lose and the
fan excuses begin to pour in.
Great UteSalt Lake City, UTThis loss was an embarrassment, no
doubt about it. Although...some are quick to forget what happened to the big
blue in SLC. Can't wait to keep up the domination in athletic competition
overall. Obnoxious fans are inherit to all schools, the team down south just has
the most of them. Now that's a truth.No the truth is that BYU has owned u
in basketball since 2007 thats the truth you win 1 game in 7 yrs and think
you are all high and mighty well karma caught up to the ute arrogance thats
Deductive, Wright is listed as a higher draft pick on virtually every NBA mock
draft. The NBA will look at the total stat line, not just points and free throw
percentage. Haws is a fine player, but he is close to reaching his
ceiling and will suffer the same fate as Jimmer, Andy Toolson, Mike Smith, and
so many other Cougar players not named Danny Ainge to play in the NBA.Wright came out of nowhere and Haws was a known commodity at the beginning of
the season. Wright still has a lot of game still yet to develop, but is a more
complete player by NBA standards. Nobody is saying Delon Wright is
going to become an NBA superstar, but if he improves his jump shot and gets
stronger, he will likely have a career in the NBA while Tyler enjoys a long
career in Italy.
BeSmartCheyenne, WYArizona is a great team.Utah is young
but has a lot of talent.I will give Arizona a lot of credit, but show the
Utes some respect they are pretty good team heading to the NIT Why should we
their fans have shown absolutely no respect all year to BYU all they have
done is come on every article about BYU and trash them,they deserve no respect
and will get none from me
@ Uteology:Of course you see things that way. You're known to
be wearing the same crimson colored glasses that Chris B always wears. Considering that BYU has now made it their conference finals, how can you
possibly claim Utah is closer to a conference championship than BYU is? That
sounds a lot like Chris B's prediction for the Ute game today and so is
actually quite humorous. What is the closest Utah has come to
playing in the PAC12 basketball championship game since joining the conference?
The answer should put you back on the path to reality.Haws is the #6
leading scorer in the entire nation and you actually claim he's Spanish
league material. Wow. What a super quick way to lose all credibility. BYU's defense will actually get better next season with the bigs they
have coming back from missions. Plus, they have some very good recruits coming
in to the program that will legitimately add better defense to their program.
HFTH, Utah's season by definition is not a mulligan. Perhaps you should go
back to the early season prognosticators and see where Utah was picked to finish
after a rough year last year. For Utah to finish effectively 10-10 in PAC 12
play after last year is no mulligan. It is a third straight year of
improvement.As disappointed as Utah fans are about today's loss
and the missed opportunities throughout the season, nobody could possibly have
expected more out of this team than what they got. They don't have a
single senior starter and only one junior. BYU on the other hand
will continue the "Dave Rose Era" we hear so much about with a first
round loss. Who cares if you make it to the tournament when over 50% of the
time you exit in the first game (counting this year's inevitable first
KenSandy, UTphoenix - Yes Arizona is better than us. And we
are better than you. Scoreboard!Then you better look at the scoreboard over the
last 7 yrs when BYU has beaten u in every game home and the road that,s the
scoreboard i look at and if they had played in provo this year it would
have looked like the score of the arizona game you just got your butts
trounced in so go ahead and thump your chest it just males you look stupid.
Lifelong UteSalt Lake City, UTThis is embarrassing. Now I know
how byu felt when we played them. We're like a pack of scared dogs with our
legs between our tails out there. Getting outhustled and outcoached.The guys seriously look afraid. When the camera shows their faces its not
pretty. If we just play OUR game we can get back in this.And if the utes had
played in Provo the outcome would have been the same as it has been since 2007
thats the last time the utes beat BYU,because of 1 wine in 7 yrs the ute fans
thump their chests and claim to be the best team in the state,then come on a
BYU thread ad slam Haws for missing hos shots ,well he got 24 point how many
points did JL and DW get i think 8 between them karma finally gets the ute
@deductive reasoningIt depends on how you define terrible.If you ask an Arizona fan, I believe they will tell you it was a terrible
team. What isn't debatable is that it was Arizona's worst
team since 1983. And what isn't debatable is that Utah has never played
such a "terrible" Arizona team.Arizona finished #4 in a weak
PAC 10, with 6 teams having a losing conference records and with only 2 teams in
the tournament. Arizona was 11-6 at home that year, including a loss to 14-16
Oregon State.Are you going to claim that this Ute team couldn't
handle a 10-8 PAC-12 Arizona team? ASU, Colorado, California and 12-6 UCLA
@ Ken:Seriously, Ken! You of all people are asking why BYU fans are
commenting on a Utah article. I can't remember the last BYU article that
you haven't commented on. I'm going to find a dictionary to look up
the work hypocrisy. @ DraperUteFan:A rather sad attempt
at deflecting a very poor Ute performance today by predicting a one and done BYU
appearance in the NCAA tournament. With a 11th or 12th seeding, that's a
most likely outcome. But the reality is that Utah and most of it's
fans would love to switch places with BYU and play in the NCAA tournament. Only
about 20% of NCAA basketball teams get there. So even if it is a one-and-done,
it's still a feather in BYU's hat that Utah can't enjoy this
year.@ Chris B:(Saving the best for last). Well, I did
"mark it down" as you requested. But you missed the Utah score by 29
points and overall point spread by 35 points. Wow. That's a humbling
situation. That just goes to show how wearing crimson colored glasses can so
badly skew reality. But Utah did have it's moments this season.
Uteology"Utah as an 8th seed is closer to a PAC-12 title than #2
BYU is to a WCC title."Gotta laugh at your delusional spin.A #8 team that didn't make it out of the PAC 12 quarter-finals is
closer to a PAC 12 title than a #2 team that played in the WCC championship
game???Haws, btw, played on the U.S. National Team for the College
World Games last summer. Where was Wright, who scored a grand total of 5 points
@Uteologythat same Wright that scored 5 points on 1-8 shooting?? LOL an
NBA prospect right there
Draper, I'll be celebrating the fact Utah isn't dancing, again. How
many rebuilding mulligans does a team normally get?
@UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahKen"Coach K is
miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title..."Only if you count
"moral victories; actual results show coach k has never finished higher than
8th in the conference.------------Utah as an 8th seed is
closer to a PAC-12 title than #2 BYU is to a WCC title. Assuming
Wright, a NBA prospect, returns next year and is able to develop his shooting
range over the summer and Champman and Kuzman are as good as advertised.BYU on the other hand has legit Spanish League prospects (Haws and KC)
and KC is unfortunately out injured until December. With Mika gone, I can see
BYU's non-existent defense getting worse.
NIT matchup at Energy Solutions Arena: BYU vs. Utah for bragging rights.
Congrats to the Cats. Their ability to defend, rebound, and run the court could
help them make a run deep into the NCAA tournament. The Utes never recovered
from a very slow start. It was only the 2nd blowout loss they experienced all
year. For such a young team, they showed a lot of fight all year. Proud of you
young Utes.You don't go from 6 wins one year to tournament
bound the next in most cases. There are stages of improvement and minus
today's egg, the Utes exceeded my expectations on the year. Arizona
is a perennial top 20 contender and have legit NBA talent at nearly every
position. BYU fans, I'll be celebrating your one and done.
Enjoy your single elimination tournament!
UteologyIt's laughable how you try to minimize any win that
contradicts your crimson shaded agenda.BYU's "other"
win, was a 30-point 99-69 blowout on Arizona's home court; the worst loss
EVER suffered by Arizona in McHale Center history, and as you yourself admitted,
it was against an Arizona team that finished with a winning 16-15 record, 16-14
regular season, 10-8 in the PAC 10 - maybe not a great Arizona team, but
certainly not a terrible team either.
Ya, that couple of basketball wins in the past umpteen years is sheer
domination.And, you're nowhere near qualified to declare who
has the most obnoxious fans. Besides, that's a weighted competition and U
have a single BYU obsessed fan with multiple screen names that counts for way
more than 1 in the tally anyway. Nice try though.
@Great Uteand keep touting that one win at home during the glorious NIT
one and done appearance LOL
Great UteUtah won a home game versus BYU. Big deal.
Congratulations on your 2nd win in the last 13 games.Rose is 12-4
versus Utah and has never lost to Utah in the Marriott Center... see U next year
in the Marriott Center.In the meantime,#34 BYU(23-11)
> #72 Utah(21-11)Coach Rose and Arizona own Utah!
Well that's an awful time to lay an egg... at least Utah only had two bad
games (@UCLA @WashSt) and one atrocious game (this one). That's much better
than the previous year.
And today the fantasies end as we resume our rightful place - nowhere near the
elite of the conference. Coach small k said it wrong when he said to remain
humble and hungry. He should have said BECOME humble and hungry.Wright 5 points, Loveridge 2 points, Bachynski the high scorer with 9? Nobody
with more than 4 rebounds or 4 assists? Wow, that's coming through in the
clutch.If there was any doubt about the U's position relative
to the conference flagships, today those doubts were crushed by reality. Today
that OOC preseason and all the hype around U's inflated record reared
it's ugly head.After that embarrassing bare bottomed spanking
there's certainly plenty of room to go 'onward and upward'
We just got punked! Congrats to Arizona! Utah took a massive
beating by a legit top 5 team. Arizona set the tone and never let up, they
played like a #1 seed. If they continue playing this kind of defense they will
be national champions.@CougsndawgsBYU has ONE win over a
really good Arizona team at a neutral site in 2010-2011 season, the other win
was against a 16-15 team in 2009-2010 (worst Arizona team since 1983). Over the last decade Utah has never played a Arizona team that was as
This loss was an embarrassment, no doubt about it. Although...some are quick to
forget what happened to the big blue in SLC. Can't wait to keep up the
domination in athletic competition overall. Obnoxious fans are inherit to all
schools, the team down south just has the most of them. Now that's a truth.
Ouch, we won't be marking that down again any time soon. There goes the
"we belong to a prestigious conference, therefore we're
prestigious" broken record out the window. And with it any fantasy our
favorite Crimson goggled Ogdenite had of March Madness.A
prestigious, "onward and upward" PAC 12 team failed to break 40 points?
That'll cost somebody a few PAC stickers.I guess downward and
backward is the theme today huh???
I would like to congratulate Utah on their record setting performance.
I wonder how many points the Utes would have scored if Arizona hadn't sat
their starters... The whole second half. They will be nice and fresh to play in
their next game after the shoot around practice with Utah!!
It looks like USU and Utah are battling to see who loses by the most points. USU
is down 35 to SDSU and Utah is down 34 to AZ. My money is on Utah.
"Mark it down", CLASSIC!
"Utah 68Arizona 65Mark it Down"oops.
Gave up at halftime really tells a LOT about this team and program
64-29 Arizona....I don't think that fits into Coach "k's" plan
to win the tournament. Hopefully AZ will call off the dogs soon....
I am extremely proud of this Utah team. No quit in this team, so sir. They
have now scored more points in the 2nd half than they did the 1st, and there are
still 6 minutes remaining. 30 point is a real possibility!
Chris B said:"Joe Lunardi of ESPN has Utah among the top 8 teams
currently outside the dance.A win over top 5 powerhouse and likely #1 seed
Arizona would jump Utah over 5-10 teams probably.A win today and
we're likely in the dance."After setting the PAC-12
tournament record (13 pts one half) the Utes won't be in top 16 outsiders;
they will fall more than 10 teams [probably]; and they surely won't go
dancing.Coach Krysto jinxed us when he pulled a "Chrissy" by
getting ahead of reality.This board has heard a lot about college
teams playing in high school gyms. Today's game is in a college
championship venue, but we are the ones looking like high schoolers.Ken said-"Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title than
bronco M is to a national title."Closeness only counts in horse
shoes. I don't see either Krysto or Bronco realizing the goals you cited.
We did it! We scored 30! Another round of Pac 12 stickers on me.
Arizona is a great team.Utah is young but has a lot of talent.I will
give Arizona a lot of credit, but show the Utes some respect they are pretty
good team heading to the NIT
After thinking BYU's loss to Gonzaga was pretty bad, I'm just glad
they didn't lose by 30 like Utah and USU are about to. What a horrible
showing from all 3 schools.
Hey, Utah's closed the gap to 30 points. Don't call it a comeback?
The Utes just broke 20! Too bad, I really thought they had a chance, albeit a
small one, to upset AZ. Tough to play a team who has rest when your not used to
a back to back. With BYU's bad showing and collinsworth out, the only Utah
tournament team may be UVU.
Darn refs are against us.
Wow, getting embarrassing now...sorry Utes & Aggies. Good work Wolverines!
Onward and upward to March madness and Pac 12 glory!Uh oh...
@ImautefanUVU's lead went from 28 to 15. Hope they can hold on.
PAC 12 net announcers selling the merits of Utah to the NIT committee, cute.
Yes yes yes. Watching the Utes gets thumped is almost better than BYU getting
into the tournament.
Hey Utah, stay humble, keep believing and you might reach 20.
Yeowch, that's just brutal.Well, win or lose, "I am already
calling this season a success.";)
Arizona 46Utah 16Game over!Announcers already
discussing next game with 15 minutes left.1st team PAC 12 Wright is
BeSmart - Yup, UVU is the only team from Utah that is playing well today.Utah State is getting pounded by SDSU almost as bad as Utah. Sad to see
these teams play so poorly in such big games.
UVU is dominating UTPA.IF the Wolverines don't win the tournament.They may play the Utes in the NIT
Ken"Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference
title..."Only if you count "moral victories; actual results
show coach k has never finished higher than 8th in the conference.
KenSorry, but BYU > UtahRanking AND
record#34 BYU(23-11) #16 SOS#72 (going on #92) Utah(21-11)
#120 SOSScoreboard only proves that you could beat BYU on your home
floor. We all know it would have been a different story in the Marriott Center,
where the Utes have NEVER beaten Dave Rose.
Ken: Sean Miller doesn't agree with you. BYU has owned him while Utah
has yet to beat them. Two wins in 13 tries and you're hollerIng
scoreboard on BYU? Just be gracious and try and get back into the rivalry
because U've been owned by BYU over the last 8 years. Now c'mon
Utah...I agree with lifelong, Utah looks completely shell shocked right now.
Utah is a better team than this.
scooter,Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title than
bronco M is to a national title. Coach K has Utah much closer than when he
started? byu isn't any closer than when Bronco started. And that distance
is more than you can imagine.
Wow! Utah has no answers today for Arizona. Props to Arizona, solid defense
keeping our top 3 players scoreless in the half.Lets see if we can
make adjustments at the half and make this respectable, otherwise it will be 30+
Once again, Loveridge completely disappears in a big game, this time joined by
Wright, both scoreless in the 1st half, Loveridge(0-2), Wright(0-2),
Taylor(0-1). Onwas is apparently the only Utah player to show up, 6 points on 3
of 6.Lowest scoring 1st half in the history of the PAC 12
tournament.Arizona 34Utah 13Onward and upward!
Why are WCC fans commenting on this game? Other than Gonzaga, that league
isn't more than a step above church ball. And Gonzaga most years
wouldn't finish in the top 2 of the Pac 12.
Coach K before you start talking about Conference Championships maybe you should
take a few baby steps first. How about winning a road game over someone that
isn't last in your conference. Or finishing in the top half of your
conference during the regular season? If I didn't know better, I would
think Coach K is related to Bronco M.
Utah is down 21 at half time. Arizona would have to go ice cold for the rest of
the game for Utah to get back into it. Only scored 13 points in the 1st half.
Wow. Utah's pacing for a sub-30 point game. That would be embarrassing.
Arizona did do it Washington State though. Not out of the question.
Wow, 13 points in the first half? I guess Arizona has something to prove to
their critics including me. Utah getting beat in every facet of the game right
now. C'mon utes you look like you aren't matching their intensity
right now and it's getting ugly.
phoenix - Yes Arizona is better than us. And we are better than you.
This is embarrassing. Now I know how byu felt when we played them. We're
like a pack of scared dogs with our legs between our tails out there. Getting
outhustled and outcoached.The guys seriously look afraid. When the
camera shows their faces its not pretty. If we just play OUR game we can get
back in this.
Utah 68Arizona 65LOL!Dave Rose is undefeated
versus Arizona with two blowout wins in road/neutral games, 99-69 at Arizona
(worst loss ever for Arizona in McKale Center) and 87-65 in the ESA.Larry K is winless versus Arizona, 0-6, soon to be 0-7.
This was over before the tip. Welcome to the NIT Utah. The only question now is
will they lose by 40+. This looks like the Utah of 2 years ago. What happened
to Loveridge and Wright?
Solid start for Utah, but the Wildcats are schooling the Utes now.
Oh boy, this is not looking good. Maybe my trip to vegas ends early. Come on utes, we are better than this.
cb"A win over top 5 powerhouse and likely #1 seed Arizona would
jump Utah over 5-10 teams probably."Unfortunately, our Utes just
aren't good enough to hang with the Wildcats.
Good luck to all three Utah schools playing today!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise
Up!!!Chris B, is Utah selling Quest for PAC12 tourney perfection tee
from Fox SportsUtah: The Utes still have quite a bit of work to do,
even after their first-round win over Washington on Wednesday, and a win over
top-seeded Arizona Thursday afternoon could be just the victory they need to
punch their first ticket to the dance in the Larry Krystkowiak era.
Man, let's go Utes! Best of luck.
Best of luck to Utah, UVU, and Utah state in their quests for conference
tournament perfection,Joe Lunardi of ESPN has Utah among the top 8
teams currently outside the dance.A win over top 5 powerhouse and
likely #1 seed Arizona would jump Utah over 5-10 teams probably.A
win today and we're likely in the danceA win today and tomorrow
and its essentially a guarantee we're in the dance.But coach K
plans on taking it one step further and winning it all.And after all
he's done, one would be foolish to doubt himUtah 68Arizona 65Mark it Down
Nice to see the State of Utah so well represented in these tournaments. It has
been a while since we've had this many teams with real chances.
Good luck to all three Utah schools. Of the three, UVU is the most likely to be
dancing next week.