Uteanymous,At which point did you think that byu was going to win vs
Gonzaga in the tournament or on Dec. 14th?
ekute"...congrats to the Gonzaga Men and Women for pulling their
games out in the first few seconds."At least BYU's Men and
Women both played in the conference final, which is more than can be said for
the Utes.btw, Gonzaga only lead BYU's Men by 8 with 2:08 still
left in the game. Hardly an insurmountable lead.
You gotta love March! All these spittin' matches between cougs and Utes.
I love this Running Ute team. Coach K is building it the right way.
He's building a defense oriented tourney team. NCAA, NIT, it's all
good this year. This is gravy.Go Utes!
EPIC UTE, Lifelong UteFunny but it was a Utah fan that brought up BYU
first on a Utah article!!! Good luck to Utah the rest of the PAC12 tourney!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
Congrats to the Utes on their win over UW!!! Good luck against Arizona!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
What a great win. Utah plays well against Arizona, this could be a great game.
I would love to see Utah surprise AZ.
Boy are you guys lucky! You beat one of the least only to face one of the most.
Good luck. You will need it, although I don't think Arizona is the team
that all the experts make them out to be.
Thanks Allen...And congrats to the Gonzaga Men and Women for pulling their games
out in the first few seconds.
One of the things I like about basketball is all the RPI and other rankings
don't mean as much as winning on the court. That's the bottom line
especially when tournament time arrives. Win and your in. So I don't put
much effort into analyzing all the different rankings and all this talk about
whose conference is tougher will be resolved in the NCAA tournament when we see
who advances. As far as which team is better between BYU and Utah, I look to
the head to head match up and it is pretty simple. All those RPI comparisons
don't mean squat!Go Utes!
Congrats to Utah and USU for pulling their game in the last few seconds!
Nothin better than seeing how jealous cougie fans are of the U. The Utes
football and basketball teams are so much better than the cougies right now its
not even close and it's driving cougie nation crazy. They know the future
at smurf university is not looking good and will lash out as much as possible
before it falls completley off radar. thanks smurf fans you have
made my day yet again enjoy watching our PAC 12 battle with the wildcats today.
The top 10 teams in the PAC 12 all had winning records and both Utah and
Washington had some good victories (let's not forget that Utah beat up on
BYU as well as dismantling ASU by 20+ points, beating Colorado by 11, beating
UCLA by 5, beating Cal at Cal and playing Arizona close both times including an
overtime loss in SLC so you can point to the flawed RPI all you want, the proof
is in the pudding and our #8 PAC 12 team probably would win the WCC - which is a
sad statement on how weak that conference is.
Now beat Arizona and really make some noise. I have to believe that Lorenzo
Romar is on the hot seat. Seattle is a pretty rich recruiting ground. Romar ia a
good recruiter, but a horrible game day coach. His days in Seattle are
@No playoff...Likewise my friend. The WCC was not even formed during this time.
The Dons played in the California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.
@ FACTchequer"If 1984 is ancient history, then 1944, which was
simply a tournament title versus the weakest field in NCAA history, is
pre-historic"Wrong! Utah's 1944 NCAA tournament title was a
National Championship. Every NCAA tournament champion since 1939 has the title
National Champion. The NCAA and ESPN will disagree with you. If you want proof,
then go to ESPN dot com and go to Utah's basketball page. Go to their
tournament history and go to 1944. It says in bold "Defeated Dartmouth in
National Championship, 42-40". What more proof do you need? If
the 1944 NCAA tournament is the weakest field in history. Then what does that
say about BYU's 1984 Holiday Bowl? BYU played a 6-6 Michigan team (barely
bowl eligible) which makes that the weakest bowl opponent for a National
Champion to play. What's the difference between Utah's National
Championship in basketball and BYU's National Championship in football?
@ No playoff for USo I guess that means that San Francisco is the
class of the WCC. After all, the Dons are the only team in the WCC to win a
National Championship in basketball. Plus they won a NIT championship as well.
They have more of a storied basketball history than BYU (who has never reached
the Final Four). Speaking of National Championships:The
PAC-12 has 16 National Championships in basketball won by six different
schools.Arizona 1California 1Oregon 1Stanford 1Utah 1UCLA 11Although UCLA is still the class of the PAC-12.
FACTchequer--"Uncle RicoUtah lost to #203 Washington
State.The lowest ranked team in the WCC is #183 Loyola
Marymount."The U's next two worst losses came at #92 UW
& at #77 BSU, both by 2 points. They were beat only once by dbl-digits, at
UCLA. In addition to losing to LMU by dbl-digits, they lost to #180 Portland,
#161 Pepperdine and #132 Pacific. Aside from catching unranked Stanford/Texas
in the season's first week four months ago, they've beat GU at home
and nothing else.The problem w/RPI is it's not an accurate
barometer of ranking teams. It leans heavily on rewarding teams for tougher
schedules, but considers virtually nothing else, including Ws/Ls. It's
important only because the selection committee emphasizes it so much which
prompted ESPN/Lunardi to develop BPI, which considers signifinately more
variables and should indicate the beginning of where we're ultimately
headed toward. Byu is proof one doesn't need to beat ranked opponents,
merely schedule them to enhance RPI ranking. Read about BPI's
creation/purpose.BPI indicates those who should dance, the outdated
RPI those who will. U-Byu H2H does matter when comparing the two.
When BYU Basketball left the Mountain West Conference and joined the WCC they
had no idea what laid ahead and the same can be said of Utah joining the
PAC-12. Both BYU and Utah have realized the competition is better than they
expected. Whether we are talking BYU or Utah the opposing team wants to win
too. I suspect if the tables were turned, Utah would struggle against WCC
teams and BYU would struggle against the PAC -12. THERE!!!!! enough said, now
everybody talk nice to each other.
Lifelong Ute - Why do BYU fans comment on Utah articles ......WELL???????
cause Utah fans comment on BYU articles just the same - Such a waste of time.
Too bad we can't be respectful to each other.
@FACTchequer "What proof do you have that Utah would have fared any better
in the WCC"Utah was 1000 in the WCC while BYU was .722Utah was .500 in the PAC12 while BYU was .333Utah was 81, BYU was
64. What more proof do you need?
Guys stop fighting and bringing history, this is not a history class. Good win
to the Utes hope them the best against AZ.
Uncle Rico-"Point is BYU claims the WCC is so good,...."I've not seen where any BYU fan made such a claim.It's this type of false "straw" men some folks insist on
constructing. Is that any way to "win" an argument?
FACTchequerSalt Lake City, UTElmer FuddIf 1984 is
ancient history, then 1944, which was simply a tournament title versus the
weakest field in NCAA history, is pre-historic.---------------------------------What about 1998?
Uncle RicoUtah lost to #203 Washington State.The lowest
ranked team in the WCC is #183 Loyola Marymount.What proof do you
have that Utah would have fared any better in the WCC, than they fared in the
PAC 12, especially on the road, where the Utes are 3-7 this season, 7-34 under
coach k, including the PAC tourney?Bottom line:#35 BYU
with a much tougher SOS #20 vs #119, has a significantly higher RPI with three
more D1 wins, 22, than #80 Utah with only 19 D1 wins.
Re: No playoff for UThat is why I said who. Good to know SF won the
championship years ago. I knew that Gonzaga and BYU have never made the Final
4, wasn't sure about the rest of the conference.Someone a
little sensitive that his team has 4 years in a row in football and got blown
out in basketball this year. U basketball is back, and will be better next year
with Loveridge and Wright coming back. BYU has reached its peak as runner up in
WCC to Gonzaga.You didn't answer my other question on the last
time a WCC team advanced farther than any Pac-12 team in the NCAA tournament.
Or was it when Russell was on San Francisco?
CougarSunDevil - "Utah's final four appearance was so long ago, it
makes me laugh that anyone would even bring that to the equation."Just wondering . . . when was BYU's last final four appearance?
Nice win for the Utes. Nothing to say from this Aggie fan but well done and wish
nothing but the best for you against Arizona. Definitely a tough draw.
Good to get the win. Anything can happen at tourney time. Look at USC giving
Colorado a nice scare.Hopefully the benefit of getting one game
under their belt will counter the benefit of extra rest AZ will have.Go Utes!!!
Elmer FuddIf 1984 is ancient history, then 1944, which was simply a
tournament title versus the weakest field in NCAA history, is pre-historic.
UteologyOne game does not a season make or the Utes wouldn't
even be playing another game against a team that already swept them during the
regular season.--------------Uncle Rico"Who in the WCC has made the Final 4?"San Francisco not
only made the Final 4, the Dons won back-to-back NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS with a
player named Bill Russell.The Utes, on the other hand, will finish
the decade one-and-done.Next time try doing a little research before
Is no one here going to wish Arizona well? Where's the love?! Anyway,
best of wishes to Arizona. They can be a very tough team to beat. We'll
see what happens tomorrow. Go Wildcats!!
@ CougarSunDevil"Cheering on the conference over the team"
Who is cheering for the conference over the team? What's wrong
with supporting your conference and your team? "Utah's
final four appearance was so long ago, it makes me laugh that anyone would even
bring that to the equation. Not to mention, that Utah wasn't in the PAC
when that happened. Too funny"Same reason why BYU fans bring up
1984 during football season when they played in the WAC. Utah's
1998 run to the National Championship Game was the greatest run that any team in
the state could only dream of doing. Both the Cougs and the Sun Devils are
dreaming about making runs to the Final Four which is something Utah and Arizona
have done multiple times. Plus they both have won National Championships too.
Re: CougarSunDevilPoint is BYU claims the WCC is so good, but they
(WCC) never make noise in the NCAA tourney (Gonzaga made the elite 8 once (in
1999, the year after Utah made the Final 4)). Since then no WCC team has made
it passed the sweet 16. The WCC is all bark and no bite. Claim to be good in
regular season then they choke in the NCAA Tournament.The
competition is much better in the Pac-12, hence a team with more losses in the
Pac-12 can be a much better team than a WCC team with fewer losses.Utah is now 10-9 in Pac-12 this year, but BYU will brag about a 13-5 WCC
record (despite losses to Loyola Marymount, Pepperdine, Portland, and
Pacific).and of course head-to-head games never count any more. A
17 point win in Basketball or a 44 point win in football somehow makes you
inferior to your opponent.
William Wallace-You are my hero! Well said.
"11 of the 12 Pac-12 teams have made the Final 4 (including Utah).Who
in the WCC has made the Final 4? (not BYU, not Gonzaga)"Cheering
on the conference over the team. Utah's final four appearance was so long
ago, it makes me laugh that anyone would even bring that to the equation. Not to
mention, that Utah wasn't in the PAC when that happened. Too funny.
I'm surprised by the "my dad's tougher than your dad"
mentality being expressed. I will simply say, nice win Utes. I think the Utes
have a definite shot at beating Arizona tomorrow, but they have to finish the
game, not coast. I think BYU will make the NCAA tournament, but I won't be
picking them to win in my bracket. I don't think they're a team built
for tournament success. Not enough team concept and defense. That's a real
weakness, I think. I think the Utes would have a better chance of a first round
win, but unless they win the PAC12 tournament, won't be invited.
Regardless, great season so far Utes, and who knows what can happen.
Nice job Utes!! Bring on Arizona!!It's great to be a Ute
Good win, now take out Arizona and really make some noise. I have to believe
that Lorenzo Romar is about to get his pink slip.
jsandersDraper , UTas of two hours after the game, 3 of the 4 most
liked comments on a post-win Utes article are BYU comments. Enough said.--------Actually that's a pathetic commentary about BYU
fans. As all it shows is that fellow haters still upset from last night's
Gonzaga smackdown are flocking to the Utes article to 'like' the
"UW lost to UC Irvine."SF lost to Idaho State, Saint Johns
by 30, Illinois State by 14(!), and Oregon by 18 (a team UW beat and lost to by
8). Didnt ask you to go look for UW's worst loss. Compare. Its certainly
Remember last year when Gonzaga dominated the WCC. They looked so good and got
a #1 seed in NCAA tournament.The we saw how bad the WCC was.
Gonzaga dominated the WCC, but Gonzaga couldn't even make the Sweet 16 as a
#1 seed (they almost lost in the 64 round).11 of the 12 Pac-12 teams
have made the Final 4 (including Utah).Who in the WCC has made the Final
4? (not BYU, not Gonzaga)When was the last season a WCC team made it
further in the NCAA tournament than all Pac-12 schools? - I never remember this
happening. Maybe one of the Cougar fans can dig in the vaults of history to see
if this has ever happened.
Epic Ute & Lifelong Ute: You would never believe how many Ute fans feel
compelled to comment on BYU sports articles. You should check it out
sometime.Congrats to the Utes on the win. Good luck against
Why are wcc fans commenting on a Utah article? I seriously wish there was some
sort of login that only allowed Utah fans to comment on Utah articles. WCC fans
can comment on WCC articles.
as of two hours after the game, 3 of the 4 most liked comments on a post-win
Utes article are BYU comments. Enough said.
@UteanymousNeither Utah, nor Washington, are as good as the San
Francisco team BYU swept this season.--------------Those
aren't facts those are just opinions.Here's facts:
WCC is 2-7 vs PAC-12 teams.BYU is 1-2 vs PAC-12 teams.Utah
only needed 4 minutes to take the #2 WCC team (aka BYU) to the woodshed. Here's an opinion:I think we would only need 2.5
minutes to beat #3 WCC team (aka San Francisco).
UteologyEast Salt Lake City, UtahDakarai Tucker is NOT the 3rd
best player in the State. If you want some objective input here it is:1 Wright2 Collinsworth3 Haws4 Loveridge (and that's
only if he doesn't disappear)4 Tucker4 Swoop ..... you can put
the last 3 in any order you want.I wonder which AZ team will show up
tomorrow. Good luck Utes.
Good game Utes. As a BYU and Utah fan when it comes to basketball I think I can
be more objective about things than most other fans that love one and hate the
other. BYU has issues but so does Utah. Neither team is great but both have
shown they are good, and at times will surprise you and exceed your
expectations. That's what I'm hoping for when the utes take on what I
believe is an over-rated Arizona team...exceed my expectations and beat the
over-rated over-hyped wildcats!Uteology:Give me a break
dude...Washington would be lucky to be 3rd in the WCC and most likely be 4th
because I believe (and so do the experts) that USF is better tha UW. And to
those questioning BYU in the PAC12, the Cougs went on the road and beat
Stanford, something Utah was unable to do recently (and BYU controlled the
majority of that game). I think right now the programs are pretty even, but that
could all change depending on what great recruits for both programs do in the
future. Good luck to both!
"Compare their OOC and tell me UW wouldn't beat San Francisco (the
third place team in the western recreational league)"UW lost to
KHAccording to your logic:BYU beat Stanford (112-103)
which beat Cal (80-69) which beat Arizona (60-58) which makes BYU, the 2nd best
team in the WCC, 22 points BETTER than the best team in the PAC.
Apparently in two years Utah has gone from being taken to the woodchipper by the
likes of UNC-Asheville and Cal State-Fullerton to making BYU fans feel like they
need to argue that their team is better (which I'd agree, albeit it's
not a big margin). That said...@KH"if Utah is 8th best
team, and Washington is the 9th best team in the PAC 12, and Utah beat byu by 17
points, can you imagine how byu would have done in the PAC 12. Hint: a lot worse
than 9th. "That's illogical. PAC-12 teams have shown quite
a propensity to win at home and lose on the road. BYU lost to Utah on the road
(albeit not very far away from home) and to several of the inferior teams in
their conference on the road. I imagine that BYU would be somewhere in the giant
cluster between 3rd (10-8) and 9th (9-9) in the PAC.
KH"9th place in PAC 12 is better than 2nd place in WCC"Conversely, any seed in the NCAA tournament is better than a number 1
seed in the NIT.
Christy B. Perhaps a dose of reality is in order. The 8th place team
in the PAC 12 (Utah) demolished the 2nd place team in the WCC (BYU). There is
something to be said for degree of difficulty.
Why all the hypersensitivity from the kids on the hill because of an absolutely
true statement?:"Congratulations to the Utes on barely pulling
off the win against the 9th worst team in the league... enjoy the NIT."Let's review:- Utah did barely pull off the win-
Washington is the 9th worst team in the conference- Barring a miraculous
run through conference tourney, Utah is likely headed to the NITbtw,
without any reference whatsoever to BYU.
The name of the game in March: Survive and advance.Don't pay
attention to the BYU haters. They're bored waiting to see what seed they
get in the alternative tournament for faith-based teams.
Great to see Dakari make a huge shot. He's had a tough year, but the
corner 3 is his shot.Go Utes !!
The Utes have to play much better to beat Arizona. We know from the regular
season they are capable of it at home. I just hope they can step it up in Vegas
and maybe catch AZ on an off night.
"Congratulations to the Utes on barely pulling off the win against the 9th
worst team in the league... enjoy the NIT."Compare their OOC and
tell me UW wouldnt beat San Francisco (the third place team in the western
Wouldn't the 9th worst team be the 3rd best...Christy B?
Why are WCC byu fans commenting on a Utah article? Excited for the game
tomorrow. If we play our game we can beat Arizona. Will be fun to watch. Wish
I could be there.
It is amazing to me that any BYU fan would comment on Ute basketball. They must
believe that the beatdown they received on the hill this year never happened.
Ernest T. BassThe Utes had a great game today against a good
Washington team. Washington boasts one of the nation's best players in CJ
Wilcox. It's not their fault they're the 9th BEST team in the PAC-12,
which has 10+ quality teams. You're gloating over the fact that you beat
Stanford. Anybody could get up for 1 game verse a good opponent. The hard part
is playing an entire conference full of good teams consistently. Utah was able
to go 9-9 in a good conference with all but 2 of those losses coming down to the
final shot. BYU wouldn't come close to a .500 in pac-12 conference play.
"Congratulations to the Utes on barely pulling off the win against the 9th
worst team in the league... enjoy the NIT."Christy B, if Utah is
8th best team, and Washington is the 9th best team in the PAC 12, and Utah beat
byu by 17 points, can you imagine how byu would have done in the PAC 12. Hint:
a lot worse than 9th. 9th place in PAC 12 is better than 2nd place
To Spokane Ute and other reasonable Ute fans,Congrats on the Ute win
today. Tomorrow probably not so much, but who knows. If Utah gets hot they could
probably do some damage. To all other Ute fans who mock BYU or other
teams based on Conference affiliation. Congrats to the Utes for
earning the right to lose to Arizona in the next round.
Uteology"Washington would be the best team in the WCC."As usual, you're long on hyperbole, short on facts.#19
Gonzaga#35 BYU#62 Saint Mary's#72 San Francisco#80 Utah#92 WashingtonNeither Utah, nor Washington, are as
good as the San Francisco team BYU swept this season.
The ninth worst team would actually be the fourth best, which is Cal. A team we
just beat on the road last week.
@Christy BCongratulations on being in a conference where practically
every team besides Gonzaga is worse than Washington! Enjoy being irrelevant for
years to come! Y fans live in a fantasy world! The WCC is TERRIBLE!
Good Job Utes.I could not watch it but listened to some of it. Sounds like
a very good game.
From this Cougar to all the Utes: well done. Keep going. You have come a long
way over the last few years.
Christy BSalt Lake City, UtahCongratulations to the Utes on
barely pulling off the win against the 9th worst team in the league... enjoy the
NIT.--------------Washington would be the best team in
After almost blowing it in the 2nd half, the Utes come away with a nice 8th vs
9th seed win.Unfortunately, after that pushing Arizona to overtime,
the Utes won't be able to catch the Wildcats napping.
Dakarai Tucker is the 3rd best player in the State!1 Wright2
Loveridge2 Tucker4 Swoop5 HawsGood win, but did we
really need to let them take the lead twice before we closed them out? Bring on Arizona!Utah 72Arizona 65
Daviscoug - thanks for the well wishes. It's nice that some BYU fans can
be gracious. Not so much with others.Good grief, that was harder
than it should have been based upon the great play in the first half. Nice to
see them pull out a close game at the end.Delon Wright is the man!
And Tucker had the shot of the game.Good Job Utes and Good Luck
against Arizona tomorrow!
Haha they barely beat the huskies and we totally blew out the Dons who are
GASP. Thanks for making it an exciting game at the end there guys. You pulled it
out. Looking forward to an upset of Arizona.
Congratulations to the Utes on barely pulling off the win against the 9th worst
team in the league... enjoy the NIT.
Nice game, Utes. Sounded like a good game to watch. Good luck in round two.
You gotta love it baby! I love this team! What a win! Tucker's 3 was the dagger!Go Utes!!!
A win is a win is a win is a win. Clutch shot by Tucker. Big time programs
have guys make big time plays in big time games. Saves the season.
Still can dance
Great win for the program. Looks like we're going to pull it out. Huge
Utes win!1 down. 3 to go. Bring on the Wildcats!
Come on Utes - we were playing so well. Lets get this done!
Loveridge handles the ball like a big man, and shoots 3's like one, too.
Well, there goes the lead. Unbelievable.The Utes look awful while
Washington looks like a completely different team in the 2nd half.
WOW 41 to 40Wish I could watch.
I wonder if CJ still thinks his team has "been in control for the most of
the game," or if Utah just "went on a run" again. CJ's a good
player and I hope he has a long, successful career in basketball, but his
interview with the Seattle Times came off as arrogant and sour grapes about
being "snubbed" by the first all-conference team, but being selected for
the second instead.
Chris B - An eight point lead is NOT a beat down. Now is YOUR prestigious
Ooooops win by 20+ that is a beat down.
LOL What a beatdown.Seriously - give us a challenge. Bring on
I may need to re-do my guess:Utah 75Washington 60Taking it to Washington. And my stay in vegas continues...
And our quest for perfection and a Pac 12 conference tournament title beginsUtah 75Washington 68Go UTES>--->