Published: Wednesday, March 12 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
If only there was some smidgen of validation or proof of what the people who
speak for the God of people say about their God, then perhaps us non-believers
could weaken in our doubt. If only those people would live their lives as if
they believed their own words. Is there anywhere the slightest indication that
the world has a purpose?
"Here's an idea: Let's invite God back into our daily lives and
get to know him again. Perhaps he'd even be willing to help when we
can't figure it out by ourselves!"Why do you need others
involved in your quest to invite God back into your life? If you
need/want God in your life, that is a personal action you need to take and I
wish you the best of luck with that. (As a word of advice, if you are having
that much difficulty getting God into your life, you may be looking in the wrong
places.)If, however, you mean I need your God in my life, I will
pass, thank you all the same. My life is good and I don't need to make you
feel better about the world by having your God involved in it.
Sandy T. uses god as a blunt instrument if you read some of her other letter to
the editors. I'd rather avoid said blunt instrument, thank you very much.
Is this the same "Divine" Being who has told us repeated to:Treat each others as equals?See that there is no poor amonst us?Care for the Poor, the Sick, the Needy and the Elderly?NOT start
Wars?Love one another, and reject Mammon and Babylon?To not let
PRIDE guide their Foreign or Econmic polocies?Ya - That's what
Re [UtahBlueDevil 5:07 p.m]...Again, as I said in my 3:02 p.m. post... If
you ask for divine help, that doesn't automatically mean you are not
willing to do anything on your own. That's just a silly
assumption and a strawman argument. People who invite the divine into their
life don't say you don't have to do anything on your own. Quit making
such bizarre assumptions.We all know you have to do your best and
try to help yourself. You're not the only one. And people who feel they
can invite the divine into their life know just as well as you do, that they
need to be doing all they can on their own even when they do ask for God to be
with them.This assumption that IF you ask the divine into your
life.... you are not doing anything on your own... is just bizarre!
I don't know about the rest of you, But I'm seeing a pattern ---
Henny Penny, and The Sky is Falling.Letter:
Invite the divineMar 12, 2014Sandy ThackeryHow interesting
that 'everything in America is falling apart' and everyone blames
someone else. Letter: Include the Tea Party, GOPFeb 9th,
2014Sandy ThackeryI join millions who are disappointed with
the way our country is going downhill because of the present administration.
Fascinating discussion about religion. No intolerance in the letter writers
comments, no demand in her letter, simply an invitation to pray to god. And
then comes the attack of the humanist liberals. How dare she share a religious
concept in a public sphere. These same people tell you there is no liberal
attack on religion and here they go after her. They attack the very idea that
she would pray for devine help as if this is a mandate to conform. Even mormon
liberals attack the idea for devine help perhaps forgetting the commandment to
pray in all things. Phillipians 4:6 "Don't worry about anything, but
in everything, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests
be made known to God." So as with the letter writer I too,
invite you to pray.The apologists follow suit to deflect the liberal
jsfCenterville, UTEven mormon liberals attack the idea for
devine help perhaps forgetting the commandment to pray in all things. ======= No one said anything of the sort.We didn't said
NOT to pray.or who, how or to what.As one Mormon to another,
It's the "how" that I raise serious concern.Because Jesus himself told us:Matthew 6:5-6King James
Version (KJV)5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
They have their reward.6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy
closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
A few years back, I was walking on 2nd south downtown salt lake city. A man
approached me, he looked homeless, and smelled of booze. He did not ask me for
money, he did not ask me my religion, but he asked me on the public street, for
me to say a prayer for him there on the street. I was taken back by his
request, but then I agreed and as people passed by I prayed with him. He
graciously thanked me, would take nothing offered and went his way. Should I
have taken him to a closet to pray with him? "It's the
"how" that I raise serious concern."Neither the letter
writer nor I said where to pray. The invitation was a simple invite to pray.
@Ultra Bob: Is there anywhere the slightest indication that the world has a
purpose?That is the saddest line I've read in weeks. It would
seem that once you discard the idea of the world having a Creator, then the only
conclusion is that the random existence of the world is without purpose.The truth is that the Creator appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820, and
through several revelations he received thereafter, we have a very good idea of
the purpose of the world.It would be worth investigating. Such
hopelessness is tragic.
gmlewisHouston, TXThe truth is that the Creator appeared to
Joseph Smith in 1820, and through several revelations he received thereafter, we
have a very good idea of the purpose of the world.2:27 p.m. March
13, 2014======== Agreed, but what was that purpose?As I read it, it as to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal
life of man", butpolitical Conservatives think it is exploit,
shut out, sqander, and get GAIN.He who dies hording the most wins!which is why I am against them.There truely is "enough
and to spare" - and I believe it, but that is only when those holding
all the treasures of the earth SHARE with the others [hint: that is code
for re-distrubte the wealth, something else they are opposed to].
@2bits…. not sure how you read into my comments that you said something
wrong…. but I still stand by my premise that just perhaps being civil
instead of judgmental and condescending to those who don't agree with you
would be a good first step before asking God to step in and help. In the scriptures it was really clear that the one time peace prevailed,
people were not referring to other groups as any other kind of -ite. They were
one people. They probably didn't agree on everything, but they stopped
trying to classify one group as being more spiritual, worthy, righteous, …
than the other group.I am all in favor of inviting God in your life
daily…. not the problem. Treating one another with respect, whether
republican or democrat, or member or non-member, even gay or straight….
much larger issue. If we can't do those simple things…. So I am not sure what said that was so Straw man…. but we'll just
have to agree to disagree here.
Purposes of the mortal world:1) Gain a physical body2) Organize into
families3) Learn faith in God4) Repent of personal sins5) Grow
in love through service@Open Minded Mormon: You are right, all
these things eventually lead to the ultimate purpose of the world, to enable us
to obtain the blessings of immortality and eternal life.
Gmlewis, Houston, tx.How do you know that " The truth is that
the Creator appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820, and through several revelations he
received thereafter, we have a very good idea of the purpose of the world".
"And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your
hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye
would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray, ye would know that
ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him
that he must not pray."(2 Nephi 32:8-----I
often wonder what makes anyone tell us that he can "do it" by himself
when the scriptures are full of examples when Christ, a member if the Godhead
and the creator of heaven and earth, spent much of his time in humble prayer.
Surely if there ever exited a person who could "do it" by himself, it
was Christ, yet he taught us to rely on our Father in heaven.
@jsfSorry but I do not see anyone telling you to shut up or prey in
a closet, it does seem however that you are not comfortable with any opinions
that do not aline themselves with you.
re: LDS Liberal"We think we have a long ways to go, before we
start asking God to save us from ourselves..."Save us from
ourselves? That is what celebrities like Bono & Dicaprio are for.
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