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Published: Wednesday, March 12 2014 10:08 a.m. MDT

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Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If only there was some smidgen of validation or proof of what the people who speak for the God of people say about their God, then perhaps us non-believers could weaken in our doubt. If only those people would live their lives as if they believed their own words. Is there anywhere the slightest indication that the world has a purpose?

Melanna
Salt Lake City, Utah

"Here's an idea: Let's invite God back into our daily lives and get to know him again. Perhaps he'd even be willing to help when we can't figure it out by ourselves!"

Why do you need others involved in your quest to invite God back into your life?

If you need/want God in your life, that is a personal action you need to take and I wish you the best of luck with that. (As a word of advice, if you are having that much difficulty getting God into your life, you may be looking in the wrong places.)

If, however, you mean I need your God in my life, I will pass, thank you all the same. My life is good and I don't need to make you feel better about the world by having your God involved in it.

Ranch
Here, UT

Sandy T. uses god as a blunt instrument if you read some of her other letter to the editors. I'd rather avoid said blunt instrument, thank you very much.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Is this the same "Divine" Being who has told us repeated to:

Treat each others as equals?
See that there is no poor amonst us?
Care for the Poor, the Sick, the Needy and the Elderly?
NOT start Wars?
Love one another, and reject Mammon and Babylon?
To not let PRIDE guide their Foreign or Econmic polocies?

Ya - That's what I thought.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re [UtahBlueDevil 5:07 p.m]...
Again, as I said in my 3:02 p.m. post... If you ask for divine help, that doesn't automatically mean you are not willing to do anything on your own.

That's just a silly assumption and a strawman argument. People who invite the divine into their life don't say you don't have to do anything on your own. Quit making such bizarre assumptions.

We all know you have to do your best and try to help yourself. You're not the only one. And people who feel they can invite the divine into their life know just as well as you do, that they need to be doing all they can on their own even when they do ask for God to be with them.

This assumption that IF you ask the divine into your life.... you are not doing anything on your own... is just bizarre!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I don't know about the rest of you,
But I'm seeing a pattern ---

Henny Penny, and
The Sky is Falling.

Letter: Invite the divine
Mar 12, 2014
Sandy Thackery
How interesting that 'everything in America is falling apart' and everyone blames someone else.

Letter: Include the Tea Party, GOP
Feb 9th, 2014
Sandy Thackery

I join millions who are disappointed with the way our country is going downhill because of the present administration.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Fascinating discussion about religion. No intolerance in the letter writers comments, no demand in her letter, simply an invitation to pray to god. And then comes the attack of the humanist liberals. How dare she share a religious concept in a public sphere. These same people tell you there is no liberal attack on religion and here they go after her. They attack the very idea that she would pray for devine help as if this is a mandate to conform. Even mormon liberals attack the idea for devine help perhaps forgetting the commandment to pray in all things. Phillipians 4:6 "Don't worry about anything, but in everything, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God."

So as with the letter writer I too, invite you to pray.

The apologists follow suit to deflect the liberal humanist attack.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

jsf
Centerville, UT

Even mormon liberals attack the idea for devine help perhaps forgetting the commandment to pray in all things.

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No one said anything of the sort.
We didn't said NOT to pray.
or who, how or to what.

As one Mormon to another,
It's the "how" that I raise serious concern.

Because Jesus himself told us:

Matthew 6:5-6
King James Version (KJV)

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

jsf
Centerville, UT

A few years back, I was walking on 2nd south downtown salt lake city. A man approached me, he looked homeless, and smelled of booze. He did not ask me for money, he did not ask me my religion, but he asked me on the public street, for me to say a prayer for him there on the street. I was taken back by his request, but then I agreed and as people passed by I prayed with him. He graciously thanked me, would take nothing offered and went his way. Should I have taken him to a closet to pray with him?

"It's the "how" that I raise serious concern."

Neither the letter writer nor I said where to pray. The invitation was a simple invite to pray.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

@Ultra Bob: Is there anywhere the slightest indication that the world has a purpose?

That is the saddest line I've read in weeks. It would seem that once you discard the idea of the world having a Creator, then the only conclusion is that the random existence of the world is without purpose.

The truth is that the Creator appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820, and through several revelations he received thereafter, we have a very good idea of the purpose of the world.

It would be worth investigating. Such hopelessness is tragic.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

gmlewis
Houston, TX

The truth is that the Creator appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820, and through several revelations he received thereafter, we have a very good idea of the purpose of the world.

2:27 p.m. March 13, 2014

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Agreed, but what was that purpose?

As I read it, it as to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man",
but
political Conservatives think it is exploit, shut out, sqander, and get GAIN.
He who dies hording the most wins!

which is why I am against them.

There truely is "enough and to spare" - and I believe it,
but that is only when those holding all the treasures of the earth SHARE with the others
[hint: that is code for re-distrubte the wealth, something else they are opposed to].

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

@2bits…. not sure how you read into my comments that you said something wrong…. but I still stand by my premise that just perhaps being civil instead of judgmental and condescending to those who don't agree with you would be a good first step before asking God to step in and help.

In the scriptures it was really clear that the one time peace prevailed, people were not referring to other groups as any other kind of -ite. They were one people. They probably didn't agree on everything, but they stopped trying to classify one group as being more spiritual, worthy, righteous, … than the other group.

I am all in favor of inviting God in your life daily…. not the problem. Treating one another with respect, whether republican or democrat, or member or non-member, even gay or straight…. much larger issue. If we can't do those simple things….

So I am not sure what said that was so Straw man…. but we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

Purposes of the mortal world:
1) Gain a physical body
2) Organize into families
3) Learn faith in God
4) Repent of personal sins
5) Grow in love through service

@Open Minded Mormon: You are right, all these things eventually lead to the ultimate purpose of the world, to enable us to obtain the blessings of immortality and eternal life.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Gmlewis, Houston, tx.

How do you know that " The truth is that the Creator appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820, and through several revelations he received thereafter, we have a very good idea of the purpose of the world".

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

"And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray, ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray."
(2 Nephi 32:8

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I often wonder what makes anyone tell us that he can "do it" by himself when the scriptures are full of examples when Christ, a member if the Godhead and the creator of heaven and earth, spent much of his time in humble prayer. Surely if there ever exited a person who could "do it" by himself, it was Christ, yet he taught us to rely on our Father in heaven.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@jsf

Sorry but I do not see anyone telling you to shut up or prey in a closet, it does seem however that you are not comfortable with any opinions that do not aline themselves with you.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

re: LDS Liberal

"We think we have a long ways to go, before we start asking God to save us from ourselves..."

Save us from ourselves? That is what celebrities like Bono & Dicaprio are for. Aren't they?

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