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Hatch, Lee call on federal government to repay cost of opening Utah parks during shutdown

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  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    The Senate Democrats put the House version up for a vote, and it was voted down. The Senate passed their own version. The House refused to take it up for a vote... because it would pass. So the shutdown is entirely the fault of the Republicans in the House.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    Mike Lee wants reimbursement for something he encouraged. Is that ironic, duplicitous, or both?

  • weemly Orem, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    I do not understand Mike Lee's position that it is okay to take money from the Federal Government for National Parks but it is wrong to take money from the Federal Government for healthcare. Operating the National Parks fed money into the State's economy. Medicare expansion would feed money into Utah's economy and help hundred of thousands of Utahans.

    These Tea Party extremists are neither logical nor compassionate.

  • timberwolf Kanab, Ut Kanab, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:04 a.m.

    The truth is, it shut down because the bill didn't pass. Blame can be on both sides. As long as you give one party everything they want everything would always pass. If the Republicans gave the Democrats everything they wanted all bills would pass. If Democrats gave Republicans everything they wanted all bills would pass. I want both parties to check and balance. Or we could just go to a one party system. I wonder how people would feel if they had all experienced living in a country with hyperinflation because of out of control spending? Personally I don't want a Democrat King nor do I want a Republican King. Remember the days when we impeached a president for spying on another party? Or covering it up? Remember the days when we had congressional hearings about arms sales and people actually testified before Congress and took response-ability?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 12, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    @Rooster Cogburn, (Great Name) I do agree with you that if a contract is in place for reimbursement it should be honored, but your only addressing this one sentence which is about refunding what's left if the federal government reopened before the 10 day period agreed to.
    You said "Per the agreement, the Feds were to refund Utah any unused funds out of the ~$1.67 million loan and would take an act of Congress to receive a refund of spent funds."

    You used a word which does not appear in the "Utah, National Park Service agreement" which I just finished reading, and that is LOAN.

    From the agreement: "This Agreement sets forth the terms and conditions under which the State may donate funds to the NPS, and under which the NPS may accept donated funds...

    If Utah paid up front the entire amount, than it is due a refund of $666,288.32 that's the only part of the contract that says anything about repayment, and technically that's just a refund for money not spent.

    The word "Donated" appears again and again but nowhere does the word LOAN appear.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber 9:09 a.m. March 12, 2014

    Let me remind you what REALLY happened.

    You start from the right place -- the Republican controlled House passed a continuing Resolution funding everything the government does, except the Affordable Care Act. When that HOUSE bill reached the Senate, it was found to be deficient and the HOUSE bill was amended by the Senate (something the Senate is totally entitled to do) to remedy the deficiencies in the HOUSE bill so that the government was fully funded. There were enough Republican and Democrat Representatives who were willing to vote in favor of the amended HOUSE bill so that the bill would pass. The far-right Republicans not being willing to have that happen, they passed a rule that said only Speaker Boehner could bring the bill up for a vote (thereby denying the use of the common rule in the House which allows Representatives to vote to have a bill go up for a vote without the Speaker's approval). The far-right Representatives refused to have the amended HOUSE bill be considered, and thereby denied funding to the government. Therefore the Republicans shut down the government.

  • timberwolf Kanab, Ut Kanab, UT
    March 12, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    Ernest T. Bass Is that the best you can do? No facts no substance. Typical response! Fitting name! All we hear anymore are lies after lies. Now even the Democrats are fighting each other. Spy on anyone but Dianne Feinstein.

  • Rooster Cogburn West Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    It's funny. The liberal argument isn't about facts! A Liberal can say the GOP caused the shutdown. The Conservative can say Liberals caused the shutdown. IT DOESN'T MATTER NOW, IT HAPPENED.

    I am curious Esquire, Happy Valley et al...What do you know of the facts about this specific AGREEMENT; I provided you a resource, have you looked? Quit gripping about how started it, focus on facts about the Agreement. Did the Feds sign the Agreement? Did Utah tell the Feds they would seek reimbursement through congressional approval as stipulated? Were parks re-opened pursuant to the agreement?

    Perhaps I am ignorant, but it appears to me, that Utah is following through with their end of the bargain (loaned money and would seek the refund). The Feds, stated (though do as I say, not as I do), they are in favor of refunding the spent LOAN.

    The only thing off base, as of right now, is the fact that Liberals are upset because the Grantor and borrower are following their agreement! What would you prefer, sign an agreement and then not honor it? That would be anarchy. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 12, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    @ DN Subscriber, your explanation/rationalization is the actual "Orwellisn newspeak" of which you speak. Only the right wing would describe the behavior of the GOP House as the fault of the Dems. Just wow.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    News flash people. We've had government shutdowns before by both sides. The reason you don't here about them is that you didn't have an administration and a radically corrupt majority in the Senate willing to hurt the people to get their way (Stalin would be proud).You all complain about the government shutting public lands but you won't do anything to get those lands back into the hands of the state when even Arizona and Utah could have kept them open ourselves. eastern states don't have this problem because the bulk of their state land isn't federally owned. You gripe your government spends to much and is to big but cry when its time to pay the bill or cut.Do you think you can cut back the size of the bloated beauracracy and its not going to hurt? How many of you are griping about taxes and regulation.Heaven forbid we have some one like LEE who is willing to do the hard but right thing but I guess Ben Franklin was right you will all sell out your liberty for temporary safety but in the end you'll get neither.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 12, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    The sooner we get Mike Lee out of the Senate the better for Utah and America.

  • Rooster Cogburn West Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    Lets review the basics.

    NO ONE has mentioned that Utah and the Feds made an AGREEMENT (an accord reached between to or more parties!) Utah fronts the funds to re-open the Parks in the form of a LOAN (a loan requires repayment) to the feds. Per the agreement, the Feds were to refund Utah any unused funds out of the ~$1.67 million loaned and would take an act of Congress to receive a refund of spent funds.

    Why are liberals are so bothered? Utah is following through with the AGREEMENT. Utah said they would seek a refund up front and here they are, following through.

    I am curious, did many of the liberals commenting above "cry" too when the parks where opened during the shutdown pursuant to this AGREEMENT? Probably not, so why now?

    What's wrong with making, honoring and KEEPING agreements. But there is something very wrong when one side breaches, violates, doesn't follow through and in essence ignores an agreement. The congressional attempt for a refund is NOT A BAILOUT, rather adherence to an AGREEMENT, the same one Feds signed!

    Google "utah makes deal with federal govenment to keep national parks open" (Oct 11, 2013).

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 12, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    DN Subscriber said: The Republican controlled House passed a continuing Resolution funding EVERYTHING the government does, except Obamacare.

    Which caused the government shutdown, because America is not ala carte government, when republicans don't get their way.

    Boehner also passed a rule that only he or Eric Holder could bring a vote on the night of the shut down just to make sure no republican crossed the isle.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    Mike Lee should pay it back! The 'confussion" was and is his fault!

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2014 9:17 a.m.

    The dirty little secret all you posters won't touch is that the parks didn't have to be shut down to begin with. Although the people mentioned were in support of the shutdown the power to decide what gets shut down and its dispersal resides direclty with the administration and its influence over the depts. The administration called the bluff of the american people and found they'll sell out for their pocket book. We don't have money to keep the parks open but the government can pay the security, rangers and police to keep people out. We can't maintain a 50 year old 20' wide board walk at old faithfull but can pay rangers to keep them off it. Incidentally how many of you are now griping about your deductions going up, your health insurance premiums skyrocketting, your benefits being cut, your plans being canceled,loss of jobs, hours cut etc. What Obama is doing Illegally!! now with ACA is what Cruz and Lee were asking for why are you not attacking the president and government shutting down now? Because its all about power.if you make it hurt, the people will do what you want them to.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 12, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Orwellisn newspeak is the new language of the left.

    As a history lesson for all the libs out there, here is what happened:
    The Republican controlled House passed a continuing Resolution funding EVERYTHING the government does, except Obamacare. Republican Senators voted for that as well, but Harry Reid and his Democrat robots all voted against funding everything in the government except Obamacare. By refusing to pass that, it was actually Reid and the Senate Democrats who caused the government shutdown.

    But, the Democrat messaging machine, their co-conspirators in the media, spun this to blame the Republicans. Orwell would be proud.

    Regardless, the administration spent millions (when they technically were laid off) to close open spaces, and actively inconvenience visitors.

    We can debate if it was wise for Utah to pay to open things, or to foolishly expect to be paid back. But the blame for the closures actually rests with Reid and his Democrats.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 12, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Timberwoof in Kanab needs a history lesson. The shutdown was entirely caused by the repubs.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 12, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Hatch and Lee chose to shut down the government, and the state of Utah chose to expend funds to keep the national parks open. As much as I'd like to see the state of Utah avoid paying for this expense, it was a fair deal that everyone understood at the time. If they didn't want the parks to close, they shouldn't have shut down the government. There were lots of other unexpected expenses that arose from that shutdown - are Hatch and Lee suggesting that the feds pay for those as well? Not at all.

    This is rank hypocrisy.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 12, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Lee and Hatch voted for the shutdown, causing the parks to close. This is astounding! And Utah chose to operate the parks. The state asked to do it because of the economic benefits. In the end, this is money grab by two Senators who claim to be fiscally tight. As I've said many times before, they (our Senators and the GOP) talk a big game, but in reality they are big spenders. Rhetoric and propaganda do not change reality.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2014 4:49 a.m.

    Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and their cronies in the House shut down government. If anyone repays the cost of opening the Utah parks during their shutdown, it should be them.

  • timberwolf Kanab, Ut Kanab, UT
    March 12, 2014 12:41 a.m.

    Who bailed who out? The State paid to reopen the parks, but who received the revenue from the admissions fees? The Federal Government.

  • timberwolf Kanab, Ut Kanab, UT
    March 12, 2014 12:34 a.m.

    Wrong! The shut down came down to the delay of the mandate on Obamacare. The Democrats refused the delay. Guess what? Obama went ahead after all the shut down and delayed it anyway by himself.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    March 11, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Republicans wanted to shut-down the government...

    Ask Mike Lee.

    The Feds are now supposed to bail out Utah?

    Republicans are against bailouts unless the bailout serves Republicans needs.

    Exactly.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 11, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    Why? The fed didn't pocket the money, the State did.
    As usual, they want to socialize the risk and privatize the profits.

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    Now, wait a minute. Aren't Hatch and Lee the guys that claim federal money does nothing to add to Utah's business and economy?