CO Ute:I agree, the best team in the WCC did end up winning. But I think
you might be surprised by how tough gonzaga would be on UCLA. UCLA can be pretty
awful at times and lack consistency. Arizona is the best team in the PAC12 but
have also shown weaknesses that will be exploited in the NCAA tournament. The
Wildcats are not a top team IMHO and are over-rated, but we'll see they
have a chance to prove me wrong. Everyone else:Who cares what
conference you play in? Winning is all that matters. BYU had very good games
against quality opponents this year and a high SOS. Utah had good wins in the
PAC12 and is a gutty athletic team especially on the defensive side of the
floor. But who cares what conference they're in, especially in bball with
respective SOS for both programs. I cheer for both, and couldn't care less
what patch they wear on their jersey. Remember Memphis...final four, national
champions, in the what? CUSA? And Wichita state is in what league? WHO CARES?
Are U a quality bball team or not? That's the only question that matters.
The Y did what they needed to do in this tournament to get a bid. If there are
enough upsets in other conference tournaments they may get bumped by not likely.
Realistically, they will be a double digit seed and have a difficult first
round game.No bashing from my end but thought two comments were
really funny. First claiming Gonzaga would be the best team in the PAC 12 -
guess Worf forgot about U of A and UCLA. Even better were the comments that the
team was forced to play two games in less than 24 hours. Zags played the day
before as well and only had a couple of hours more rest. I guess when you
can't blame the officials, you need another excuse. Bottom line was the
best team in the WCC won both the regular season and tournament.
I'm sure there's some poll or rating service that has BYU better than
Cheer up cougar fans! At least you can tune in and watch the best team in the
state of Utah make another run in the PAC-12 tournament. They already took down
Washington in a #8 vs #9 seed match up. Now Utah will play the #1 seed Arizona
and its going to be a thriller!Go Utes!
"I find it quite sad that so many spend so much time on sports. Here's
a novel idea, get out and do something to help someone, perform some service,
give sports a rest for a while. I bet your entire life will be better for
it".....Lol...how did this guy figure he would make much sense when he is on
the sports page, reading, and posting too? He must have posted that as part of
his time spent doing "service" for others..lol
Scouting report on the Cougars.Only play 3 or 4 guys on offense
(don't have to guard Sharp, Austin or Worthington) so can double or triple
Haws.Will stay in their zone even if you overload on side of the
floor so you can play 5 on 4 and get easy open shots with good spacing.
I find it quite sad that so many spend so much time on sports. Here's a
novel idea, get out and do something to help someone, perform some service, give
sports a rest for a while. I bet your entire life will be better for it.
Gonzaga did just enough to win. They tried to give the game away in the end, but
got a good W none the less. I thought the officiating was pretty good; at least
the fouls called were fairly even. Carlino hurt BYU. He kept missing threes, yet
kep shooting them. I hope Collinsworth is all right. I hope Gonzaga plays more
like the did in the first half then the second. Usually the Zags have a lot of
hype and lose. This team is flying under the radar. Good luck to BYU in the
Disappointing game, although I turned it off in the first half and was somewhat
pleased to turn it back on later and find that BYU was only down by ten and that
Gonzaga wasn't actually going to put up a buck-fifty. Collinsworth's
going down hurts a lot, obviously--I sure hope his knee injury isn't
career-ending like his older brother's was! I'm a little ambivalent
about the NCAAs--on balance, I want the Cougs to get in (and I think they will),
but they sure won't beat anyone playing like they did in the last three
As soon as the UTES find their identity as something other then BYU crushers
they will win the rose bowl. I guarantee it. A coug fan!
Tough game. Gonzaga was on and BYU was cold. BYU missed many shots they
usually make and that changed the game.Collinsworth had two sweet
dunks. The alley oop and the baseline jam were awesome. Mika had a nice alley
oop as well. Hope Collinsworth's knee is okay. Tough loss but
hopefully everything comes together for a run in the NCAA tourney. I know, a
longshot, but you never know.
Ah, BYU Cougars. You didn't do it again. I'm as true blue as they
come, but after this game with the Zags, I'm really blue. No shame here,
BYU was beaten by a better team and better coaches. This time they can't
say that the refs beat them. BYU had many more free throws than Gonzaga. I
wonder how they would have done in the WAC? Well, I'll hold my breath
hoping for an invitation from somewhere to play post-season bb.One
suggestion to brother H: practice with real people guarding him rather than
chairs posted on the basketball floor. Two or three might do it.Saddened
by the injury to Collinsworth--here's to a speedy, full recovery.
You're the best player the team has by far.
The ute fans seem to be overly preoccupied with BYU.
A couple of thoughts:1. The Bulldogs actually were playing very good
defense. At least in the first half. BYU was struggling to get open looks
because as soon as they touched the ball, the Zags were up in their grill.
I'd like to see more of that kind of defensive play from the Cougars. I do
not like their zone and desperation arm waves at a guy who is elevated for a
wide open 3 point shot. No adjustment are made except trying to get over faster,
which they don't ever really do.2. I guess this year's
team was a good team. Not great, but good. Another 20 win season, a possible bit
to the NCAA tournament. All good accomplishments. But it would be nice to see
them consistently win the big games. Instead of disappearing when the real
pressure is on, it would be nice to see them come prepared to match and exceed
the pressure. Instead, as of late, I go away disappointed from the big games. We
need a couple of players who thrive on the pressure rather than instead of
shrinking in the face of it.
Along with the few Utes fans that have posted similar statements, I still hope
BYU makes the tournament and hope that they are successful with the postseason.
It's always good to see schools from Utah make the tournament. That being
said they were pretty awful last night. Seems like people are split over
Haw's play kinda like they used to be with Jimmer. He might be the focal
point for their offense but even Kobe and Lebron can do more than just shoot.
It definitley wouldn't hurt him to up his game in other area's. Good
luck to the Cougar's and Utes! Hopefully Utah can pull off a PAC12 miracle
and win the whole tournament!Go Utes!
worf- Gonzaga is a good team. They are not better than Arizona. Period!
A comment was made "All of the comments complaining about Haws being
selfish, not a rebounder, and not an assist man indicate poor understanding of
BYU's game. The offense goes through Haws...most of the plays are designed
to get him free off a screen so he can shoot. When others are passing you the
ball so you can shoot, you will have few assists. When you are shooting, 15-25
feet from the basket, you will get few rebounds." ...I say if you understand
the basics of basketball, and have a team play mentality, then you would
understand that when you are double or even triple teamed when you get the ball
off a screen..instead of forcing up shots at a 40% rate..find the open man!
There is at least 2 people open lol. Thus the assists would go up higher than 1
a game. Also your point doesn't explain 1 def rebound a game. Every quality
player at any level realizes when your shot isn't falling, you find other
ways to make things happen. Playing defense would create turnovers, fast breaks,
get others involved and could re-spark your offensive game. Bench him..he will
get the message
I may be an anomaly amongst Ute fans, but I think it is good when BYU wins when
they're not playing the Utes. It helps both programs when rivals are
successful. That tends to make our head to head matchups more meaningful. That
being said I listened to the first half with interest hoping BYU would be able
to come out of their slump, but they just couldn't do it. I don't
know if they just didn't get enough sleep after the late night, but they
just weren't on their game. It was tough to listen to. Defense
wasn't the only problem and Gonzaga wasn't doing anything
spectacularly on defense either. BYU was missing open shots. Gonzaga was also
really hot offensively. They were making tough shots and put BYU in too big of
a hole to climb out of.BYU will be in the NCAA tournament, but this
will probably hurt their seeding.
Shout out to Spokane Ute,You're team dominated BYU for most of
the game. Gonzaga took it to BYU from the get-go and BYU never really had a
legitimate chance. Yet I don't see you on here gloating or rubbing it in.
You're one classy fan. My hats off to you. For your sake (and your sake
only) I hope Utah does well in the PAC tourney.
Carlino needs a good neck grooming kit. Then he needs to hit the gym and figure
out what a good shot is. Fox Sports lists BYU as a lock for the
tournament. I for one hope they get the bid and add to their illustrious
history of one and out. BYU fans have been mocking Utah for not
getting to the NCAA tournament this year. I'm glad you will get your wish
and one and done. Then we'll here the "yeah, but if we had
only had Collinsworth, we would have made it to the Final 4."
I sure see a lot of ute fans complaining about BYU fans posting on Utah
articles, some of whom are posting on this BYU article and making fun of BYU for
losing to Gonzaga. I'm not good with definitions but could someone help me
know what hypocrisy means? BYU was in the title game of the WCC
tourney. How about Utah wait until they see how they do in their tourney before
they talk here because Utah won't make it past the 2nd round, It will be a
struggle to get out of the first round. Very likely Utah is one and
done in the PAC 12 tourney just like Ute fans claim BYU will be one and done in
the NCAA tourney. I'll take BYU's situation over Utah's situation
any day. Of course, I'd rather have ASU's situation, which (like the
onti) is as great as them all.
When I see these refs makes us loose I get so mad.
After last night performance I rather have the team come back and catch up on
their school work. That is more important than trying to go to the tournament.
watching byu lose doesn't get old. Last night was wonderful
It was nice to see well groomed, clean shaven student athletes represent their
university on national TV. Thank you Gonzaga basketball players for keeping
those standards. Your appearance represented the Jesuit community nicely.
There was clearly a difference between the two teams.
The NIT is the best fit for this team. Maybe another final 4 New York.
I'm sure the players would rather play more than one game. If the NCAA
somehow gets them in, it will be 1-n-done for sure.
All of the comments complaining about Haws being selfish, not a rebounder, and
not an assist man indicate poor understanding of BYU's game. The offense
goes through Haws...most of the plays are designed to get him free off a screen
so he can shoot. When others are passing you the ball so you can shoot, you will
have few assists. When you are shooting, 15-25 feet from the basket, you will
get few rebounds. Sure, he's had a few off nights shooting, but when we
have a good win, he is always the main offensive contributor. As a fan, I wish
he was more on his game the last two nights, but off nights happen, despite
great efforts. I'm very glad we have Tyler...he's a fine player and a
Another fluke of course.Too many double digit flukes.Fluke. Period.Will there be two flukes in a row to end the season?
BYU was pathetic and Gonzaga is not that good... these teams are going nowhere
in the tournament
We will show you how it's done when we win our prestegous tornament just
wait and see LOL!The committee will be impressed because of our
awsome rode record!We will go very far dancing so write it down.Go Utes!
The final game was less than 24 hours after the semi for the BYU team, having
finished in overtime at midnight, then 19 hours later playing in the final,
hardly normal for a college team. Still a Cougar fan, I like their
chances, rested, for a first round win in either NCAA or NIT tournament, with or
without Collingsworth, (whose free throw shooting is a liability). The Cougars
came out flat against Gonzaga, they will be much sharper next game.Advice: Matt, get a haircut, Kyle, a shave. I see honor code grooming
standard violations, which may lead to sloppy play, missed shots. Gonzaga team
dressed and looked sharp, rested, and played sharp, deserved to win. Cougars
looked disheveled, tired, out of sinc. Congrats to Tyler for 25
consecutive made free throws in last 2 games. But where was the shooting touch
with the ball in play? Gone gone gone.
Congrats to the Zags on another WCC championship. It is pretty simple why BYU
cannot get over the hump in the WCC. Fundamental basketball. This league
isn't athletic, it rely's on the fundamentals and that is taught
better at most of the WCC schools. Coach Rose's teams are not fundamentally
sound. BYU has some great players and with the right coaching would do much
better. BYU is inconsistent on D and erratic on offense. Teach solid defense and
work the ball on offense, it's that simple.
Worf, you guys should move down one more notch to the Big Sky. You could go
undefeated, go to the dance every year and then you could argue that your Top 10
each year. If your not in the S16 each year you can always blame the refs or
the coach...It's cool Bro...
It is sad to see both Cougar teams go down to defeat today. I proud that the
men, after Kyle was hurt, did not quit. I wanted two wins, but I am very proud
of the teams and players of each.Go Cougars.
Déjà vu all over again for BYU v. Gonzaga. How about a
Delta Center Utah-BYU match up in the first round of the NIT? Let's both
put it on the line!
I think BYU will probably get the NCAA invite, but how great would it be to see
Utah and BYU play a rematch game in the NIT down at the Marriott Center? As a
Ute fan I'd love to see Utah get a chance to prove that's one road
game they'd win this year.First things first though, lets see if one
or both teams can somehow find their way into the big dance. Love me some March
Epic fail! Another WCC championship for Gonzaga.
Wow, a lot of Ute fans with nothing better to do than light up the BYU comment
board. A few days ago, Uties were saying BYU wouldn't make it to the
Championship game.Zags are one of the premiere basketball teams in
the nation. There is no shame in losing to them. However, if BYU had played
one of their average games, this would have been a nail biter. But
BYU played awful tonight. Not sure if it was exhaustion or just an off night.
Turnovers, free throw shooting and FG percentage killed them. And I have never
complained about refs on this board, but there were 4 or 5 calls that were
terrible.I think BYU will go dancing, but U are right, it is a week
of not knowing for sure if BYU will go to NCAA or NIT. However, Utah will sit
in wonderment the rest of the week wondering if U will get an NIT or CIT invite.
At least there is a chance we go to the NCAA.
Boy...Haws needs to be benched and allowed to be the 7th man in the opening
game. We cant afford to have his kind of production hurt this team. It's
not that he is shooting 40% over the last 30 days...it's not that he
averages 2 total rebounds and 1 assist during that time either...or the
turnovers too! It's the fact the 2 shortest guys who play get more rebounds
than he does and more assists in way less minutes. He is not being a team player
and whether or not it is said publicly...you know it's in the back of the
rest of the teams minds that hey, this guy is selfish! Bring him off the bench
for a possible spark because lord knows this guy doesn't need to take
minutes away from players who are more productive. It will also be a wake up
call to him and possibly he will get the message and decide he needs to play
team ball if he wants to play.
I've finally learned how to read these posts. Skip quickly past the
negative and go for the true blue Cougar fans. It's really like life. You
have to learn how to not take in the negative all around us and work to be
positive and happy.Always a Cougar fan....no matter what!
Hope Collingsworth recovers quickly.Tyler looked off his game the
last two nights.Good to see Austin comeback so quickly.Carlino...so much talent...so out of control.Finding a replacement
for Mika will be tough.Would like to see more of Bartley and
Winder.Like what Coach Rose and staff have been able to
accomplish.Always root for the Cougar players and coaches...Except when the play the Utah...of course.Go Utes!
BYU didnt' play their best ball tonight. Would have been nice to have a W
but not too concerned about the loss. Most experts agree that BYU has played
well enough to make it into the NCAA tournament. Will be interesting to see how
things play on on Sunday. Go Cougars!!!!!
I guess the BYU fans will now have to watch Granite Flats. :(
Collingsworth can greatly improve his game if in the off-season he goes to the
local LDS church from 6AM to 8AM and practices nothing but foul shooting.
I'm sure he feels bad about his foul shooting but here is an opportunity to
Ute fans...onward and upward? LOLThis BYU team has a lot of issues,
and there isn't enough time to even open that can of worms. But as a Y fan
who cheers for Utah bball as well, I'm worried about the fact that away
from the HC Utah is not a good team. If that doesn't change in the P12
tourney than Utah may be struggling to even get into the NIT.Sweater: The selection committee doesn't care about sagarin. RPI is
what they look at and Utah leaves a lot to be desired, with a 79 ranking (BYU is
32) & a SOS ranking of 117 (BYU is 39). BYU is 8-6 against top 100, while
Utah is 7-9. Those numbers don't favor the utes unfortunately.
Gonzaga was more rested. BYU had a tough fight late last night. They were
obviously tired, and had to play a tough Gonzaga team. Statistically, most
people recognize it is tough to win back-to-back, especially after an overtime
game that BYU won last night.I acknowledge, however, that this was
not BYUs best year for basketball, though they are pretty good.
Collinsworth goes down and our best scorers can't hit the broad side of a
barn. Gonzaga left the door wide open for a BYU comeback and no one could
step up offensively except maybe Barkley who was a bit of a spark. Remind
me why Worthington or Halford should ever get in the game? Both huge
liabilities. And what is up with this half court offense of BYU's?
Just dribble around the perimeter and hand off tor the next guy to dribble
around the perimeter? Seriously, it looks like 3rd grade basketball. BYU
should take a lesson from Gonzaga on how to run a half court offense, spacing,
and how to PASS the ball.
Disappointing. Not surprising, but disappointing. BYU hasn't been
shooting great all weekend in Vegas, and it caught up with them tonight.
However, I'm still pleased with my team. They fell behind, but didn't
stop fighting and made a game of it.Gonzaga at times put on a
passing clinic tonight. They showed us why they keep winning conference titles.
It irritates me to know end to watch teams try and dribble the ball against a
zone. How do you beat a zone? Pass, pass, pass, till you find the open man.
Which is just what Gonzaga did.Some posters need to stop criticizing
Haws. He is not throwing up "wild shots". Watch him play. He's
square to the basket nearly every time and rarely takes a bad shot.Finally, let's all hope Collinsworth's knee isn't too bad and
he can still play this year.
Gonzaga is better than any PAC 12 team. Period!
The difference between team play and one on one. BYU had more exciting one on
one plays but Gonzaga had better passing and shot selections even though they
can't shoot free throws.
Having not watched the game or read any more details that the heading, I wonder
if I can accurately describe what happened...-Due to the emotional and
physical drain from the OT game, BYU was a step (or two) slow on defense and
couldn't get any rhythm on offense.-The Cougs continued to clank 3
point attempts (they had 2-3 in the previous two games. Actually, they broke a
755 game steak by making none against LMU- one of the lowest rated teams in the
nation)-The Zag brain trust, realizing that Collingsworth was playing
great and Haws was struggling, doubled teamed Collingsworth whenever they could
and used token defense on Haws who continued to shoot in the 20 percentile.-Finally, somebody(s) got hurt and/or had foul trouble.I will
admit that I felt two weeks ago that if BYU didn't win the WCC tourney,
they were NIT bound. I really think now they will get an invite to the Big Dance
unless some of the other bubble teams create problems.
Ute fan here who cheers for all local teams when they aren't playing the U.
I hope Collinsworth's knee is ok. He's got a lot of game and it
would be a shame if he has a serious injury. Mika's mission will help him
mature and channel his emotions. He'll be a load with more maturity. I
don't understand why Rose plays Carlino. His shot selection is so bad and
he doesn't have the discipline to distribute the ball and play defense when
his shot isn't falling. If the Cougs have to depend on Carlino, the year
will end very quickly. Good luck in the post season.Go Utes !!
Too bad for the Cougs. Coach Dave Rose doesn't really know how to make
adjustments and he just can't coach these guys to play an inside out game.
All year long, opposing teams would collapse into the center and the Cougs would
just try to force it up. Then, when they would find it tough going
in the paint, they would just start hiking up 3's in desperation. These
guys just couldn't seem to make the step up from premier highschool level,
to premier level college level.NIT here we come!
Waiting game begins for BYU...BYU may make the NCAA tournament, but
they will be watching the other conference tournaments closely. For
example, New Mexico and SDSU are in. If UNLV wins the MWC tournament, then that
is another spot taken. Bracketologist may have BYU in right now, but they
can't predict how every conference tournament will go. Could be a
long week for BYU.
At least they won the 2nd half.
BYU fans would agree that, "[Gonzaga] appeared to try and give the game
away! You'll remember that the [Zags] missed 5 of 6 (or was it 7 of 8) free
throws in the final three minutes."Still, BYU never had a chance
of winning this game. This was the 5th time BYU got thumped this year.One and done or NIT?
It's a done deal, Baby! Only remaining question is does byu register yet
another dd loss?
Only down by 10 go BYU :)
Sagarin might have it right when its all said and done...Gonazaga
#18Utah #36BYU #42San Fran #79BYU
Strength of schedule is 77.20Utah is 76.90looks pretty close
Tough break for Collinsworth. Best wishes to him.
The selection committee is not going to like this blow out! I love it!
They must be tired from last nights tough game. I say they come out and steal
this one back to give them the boost they need if they want to go to the big
dance. Never surrender never give up.
Oh my.Certainly not what the BYU faithful were hoping for.
It looks like there is a BYU alumnus governing the comments tonight...so in
order to get posted I will have to say...Shucks...wish BYU wasnt getting
themselves doubled up...go Cougars.
Wow...I posted my comment and sure enough, Haws has missed another 3 shots in
less than 2 minutes! Shooting us right out of the game. PASS the BALL if you
cant hit shots!
Honestly I would rather have BYU go to the NIT and win a couple of games than go
dancing and lose in the first round. At least we could maintain the illusion
that they are a great team.
Haws has been stinking it up for weeks now. He plays no defense and is
constantly throwing up out of control shots. It's very selfish play and not
going to get BYU far unless he starts playing team ball and quit relying on
others to bail the team out from his costly mistakes. He seems to have been way
overrated. Bench him and lets see this team play as a unit with the same team
38-19Nothing much to say other than LOL
This game is embarrassing. Does BYU have an offense? Gonzaga calmly passes the
ball around until someone is open. BYU's spacing is terrible, and they end
up with someone going one on 5.
Not looking good! Go Zags!!!
How many double-digit Ls does byu have already this season, including to LMU?
Tonight I am a Gonzaga fan! Gonzaga will do to the byu men what the Gonzaga
women did to the byu women