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Published: Wednesday, March 12 2014 5:00 a.m. MDT

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1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Interesting that the article talks about her life and a suitor, but never mentions who she ultimately married. Just whom did she marry, pray tell?

donn
layton, UT

RE: 1aggie,Just whom did she marry, pray tell?
She claimed to have secretly wed Joseph Smith, on 29 June 1842, as a plural wife. Eliza wrote fondly of Joseph “my beloved husband, the choice of my heart and the crown of my life”.

However, Snow organized a petition in that same Summer of 1842, with a thousand female signatures, denying Smith was connected with polygamy and extoling his "virtue". Furthermore, as Secretary of the Ladies' Relief Society she organized the publishing of a certificate in October 1842 denouncing polygamy and denying Smith as its creator or participant. When Snow was informed that Smith's widow Emma Hale Smith had stated on her deathbed that her husband had never been a polygamist, Snow was reported to have stated she doubted the story but "If . . . [this] was really [Sister Emma's] testimony she died with a libel on her lips"

Snow married polygamist Brigham Young as a plural wife. She traveled west across the plains and arrived in the Salt Lake Valley on 2 October 1847

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Thanks donn.

So let me recap what you said to be sure I understand. First she claimed to be a polygamist (married to to Joseph Smith). Then she denied being a polygamist. Then she condemned polygamy. Then she became a polygamist (married to Brigham Young). Do I have it correct? If so, this is (in my opinion) way more interesting than the article, and should have been included (as relevant) when discussing her life.

Northern Lights
Arco, ID

donn,

Your response about Eliza Snow's views on polygamy sound more consistent with opinion from the Reorganized LDS Church - or Community of Christ. Without any sources, I don't really know how to take your argument. I am a little more familiar with LDS materials about Eliza Snow, including some of her diaries, but haven't come across something like this before.

Personally, I thought the article did very well without having to become "more interesting" by including material that will only serve to bring up the same tired old arguments from critics of the LDS Church. Rather, it's more interesting to me that historians are still discovering new tidbits about her life and her contributions to the Church.

PALT
Plano, TX

I own a book, published in 1884, "The Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow". The author on the cover and all related pages is printed "Eliza R. Snow Smith". I have it right in front of me. She was the sister of Lorenzo Snow. I have studied what is available about her life. She was an amazing woman. As for her having married Brigham Young, (which I think I may have read somewhere a long time ago), she and many other women would have done such things at that time for protection or security. There is no evidence she was ever anything other than a wife to him in name only. It is certainly not the name she ever chose to be known by. I look forward to reading this new book about her. And we need to look at historical personages based on their positive contributions, I think. She certainly gave a great deal to so many people throughout her life. She was, by any standard, remarkable!

goosehuntr
Tooele, UT

An evil tree does not bring forth good fruits... Eliza bore amazingly good fruit. She was in my view a prophetess. She possessed amazing insight and vision. My challenge to anyone is to find evil fruit from her life. If you cannot, then you must know that the tree was a good tree.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Goosehuntr,“My challenge to anyone is to find evil fruit from her life. If you cannot, then you must know that the tree was a good tree”.

O My Father" Eliza R. Snow : When I leave this frail existence, When I lay this mortal by, Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts on high?

Heavenly Mother in the Bible? Some would argue that a reference to female deity is in the Bible, namely references to the "queen of heaven" by Jeremiah. The problem of course is that such references (Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19, 25) are negative.

“Our Father which art in Heaven with, The supreme being transcends space and time. The first goes to pieces if you begin to apply the literal meaning to it. How can a sexual animal really be our father? How can it be in the sky? The second falls into no such traps. C.S. Lewis.

Lilalips
Attleboro, MA

@Donn, you take the phrase that references a heavenly mother out of context, and therefore, you mis-interpret it. The beauty of poetry in song or the written word, is that it is nuanced and goes beyond, around, and between a hard argument, like water does, over a dam or around a rock. The nuance, in this instance, is wistfulness, as the author, Eliza, is wishing for the reassurance of a spiritual mother as a counterbalance to the spiritual father that she knows exists, similar to the healthy counterbalance that a loving mother here on earth is to a loving father in a physical family. The queen of heaven that you reference in Jeremiah is a female fertility idol that the ancient Israelites would sacrifice to. If God is our Father, and Jesus is his son, it is not too far a stretch to believe that there could possibly exist a heavenly Mother of our souls. There is a pattern here that is logically followed in a very wistful, beautiful, and thought provoking way. Her poetry transcends argument.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Lilalips, If God is our Father(is Spirit, John 4:24)and Jesus is his son(by the Holy Ghost),it is not too far a stretch to believe that there could possibly exist a heavenly Mother of our souls. There is a pattern here that is logically followed in a very wistful, beautiful, and thought provoking way. Her poetry transcends argument??

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become(for they are not naturally)the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name(John 1:12).

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John 3:6) This passage contradicts the concept of a flesh and bone Heavenly Mother who gives birth to heavenly spirit babies.

(Ecc 12:7)… the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence.

jmort
SLO, CA

I think she wanted to be known as Eliza Smith, so why do people persist in calling her Eliza Snow?

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