I think she wanted to be known as Eliza Smith, so why do people persist in
calling her Eliza Snow?
RE: Lilalips, If God is our Father(is Spirit, John 4:24)and Jesus is his son(by
the Holy Ghost),it is not too far a stretch to believe that there could possibly
exist a heavenly Mother of our souls. There is a pattern here that is logically
followed in a very wistful, beautiful, and thought provoking way. Her poetry
transcends argument??But as many as received him, to them gave he
power to become(for they are not naturally)the sons of God, even to them that
believe on his name(John 1:12).That which is born of the flesh is
flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.(John 3:6) This
passage contradicts the concept of a flesh and bone Heavenly Mother who gives
birth to heavenly spirit babies.(Ecc 12:7)… the spirit shall
return unto God who gave it.For in him we live and move and have our
Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence.
@Donn, you take the phrase that references a heavenly mother out of context, and
therefore, you mis-interpret it. The beauty of poetry in song or the written
word, is that it is nuanced and goes beyond, around, and between a hard
argument, like water does, over a dam or around a rock. The nuance, in this
instance, is wistfulness, as the author, Eliza, is wishing for the reassurance
of a spiritual mother as a counterbalance to the spiritual father that she knows
exists, similar to the healthy counterbalance that a loving mother here on earth
is to a loving father in a physical family. The queen of heaven that you
reference in Jeremiah is a female fertility idol that the ancient Israelites
would sacrifice to. If God is our Father, and Jesus is his son, it is not too
far a stretch to believe that there could possibly exist a heavenly Mother of
our souls. There is a pattern here that is logically followed in a very
wistful, beautiful, and thought provoking way. Her poetry transcends argument.
RE: Goosehuntr,“My challenge to anyone is to find evil fruit from her
life. If you cannot, then you must know that the tree was a good tree”.O My Father" Eliza R. Snow : When I leave this frail existence,
When I lay this mortal by, Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts
on high?Heavenly Mother in the Bible? Some would argue that a
reference to female deity is in the Bible, namely references to the "queen
of heaven" by Jeremiah. The problem of course is that such references
(Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19, 25) are negative.“Our Father which
art in Heaven with, The supreme being transcends space and time. The first goes
to pieces if you begin to apply the literal meaning to it. How can a sexual
animal really be our father? How can it be in the sky? The second falls into no
such traps. C.S. Lewis.
An evil tree does not bring forth good fruits... Eliza bore amazingly good
fruit. She was in my view a prophetess. She possessed amazing insight and
vision. My challenge to anyone is to find evil fruit from her life. If you
cannot, then you must know that the tree was a good tree.
I own a book, published in 1884, "The Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo
Snow". The author on the cover and all related pages is printed "Eliza
R. Snow Smith". I have it right in front of me. She was the sister of
Lorenzo Snow. I have studied what is available about her life. She was an
amazing woman. As for her having married Brigham Young, (which I think I may
have read somewhere a long time ago), she and many other women would have done
such things at that time for protection or security. There is no evidence she
was ever anything other than a wife to him in name only. It is certainly not the
name she ever chose to be known by. I look forward to reading this new book
about her. And we need to look at historical personages based on their positive
contributions, I think. She certainly gave a great deal to so many people
throughout her life. She was, by any standard, remarkable!
donn,Your response about Eliza Snow's views on polygamy sound
more consistent with opinion from the Reorganized LDS Church - or Community of
Christ. Without any sources, I don't really know how to take your
argument. I am a little more familiar with LDS materials about Eliza Snow,
including some of her diaries, but haven't come across something like this
before.Personally, I thought the article did very well without
having to become "more interesting" by including material that will only
serve to bring up the same tired old arguments from critics of the LDS Church.
Rather, it's more interesting to me that historians are still discovering
new tidbits about her life and her contributions to the Church.
Thanks donn.So let me recap what you said to be sure I understand.
First she claimed to be a polygamist (married to to Joseph Smith). Then she
denied being a polygamist. Then she condemned polygamy. Then she became a
polygamist (married to Brigham Young). Do I have it correct? If so, this is
(in my opinion) way more interesting than the article, and should have been
included (as relevant) when discussing her life.
RE: 1aggie,Just whom did she marry, pray tell?She claimed to have
secretly wed Joseph Smith, on 29 June 1842, as a plural wife. Eliza wrote fondly
of Joseph “my beloved husband, the choice of my heart and the crown of my
life”.However, Snow organized a petition in that same Summer
of 1842, with a thousand female signatures, denying Smith was connected with
polygamy and extoling his "virtue". Furthermore, as Secretary of the
Ladies' Relief Society she organized the publishing of a certificate in
October 1842 denouncing polygamy and denying Smith as its creator or
participant. When Snow was informed that Smith's widow Emma Hale Smith had
stated on her deathbed that her husband had never been a polygamist, Snow was
reported to have stated she doubted the story but "If . . . [this] was
really [Sister Emma's] testimony she died with a libel on her lips" Snow married polygamist Brigham Young as a plural wife. She traveled
west across the plains and arrived in the Salt Lake Valley on 2 October 1847
Interesting that the article talks about her life and a suitor, but never
mentions who she ultimately married. Just whom did she marry, pray tell?