Howard Beal,RE: "spending 300 million on ipads was about the dumbest
idea I've ever heard"...I'm pretty sure the proposal
wasn't for 300 million in iPads (you may want to read the bill before
commenting). There was more than that in there. It wasn't all for
iPads.But regardless... proposals they KNOW we don't have money
to fund make no sense. It's just posing. And we have too much of that
going on up on the hill as it is. Making proposals they know we can't
fund (because we can't even afford to pay our teachers or reduce class
size).. should be frowned upon from the start... not at the last minute.
The idea of spending 300 million on ipads was about the dumbest idea I've
ever heard of and Lockhart and those who supported it need to be held
@ Kings CourtThe legislature listens to teachers but clearly understand
what the realtors, developers and nurses want.
Has anyone ever given a moments thought that one of the greatest problems facing
public education in Utah today is the legislature itself? It would be nice if
they actually talked to teachers instead of just about everyone besides
teachers. The teachers are the experts in the field, but for some reasons a
group of realtors, developers, and a nurse (Lockhart) seem to know better than
folks who work in the education field every single day.
"Well I can say for a fact tablets do not work in High school. Students need
full keyboards to create documents and learn the keyboarding skills necessary
for work once they graduate. There are alternative ways to pay for this as
well."In my department, instead of buying i-pads, we have
donated many unpaid hours writing grants and have purchased a Chrome Book lab.
Yes, of course, there have been positives and negatives.We liked the price (less than half of what an i-pad costs), the keyboard, the
quick load time, and the easy ability to share (student to teacher, student to
student, etc) using Google Docs. Furthermore, my department members have paid
for professional development courses over the past few summers to train in all
things Google. We are actually one small technological step ahead of our
students for once!I'll be honest--sometimes, depending on the
learning activity and desired outcome, we wish our students had i-pads (some of
the apps) but overall we are pleased with the gains our assessment data is
showing.This might be one of many ideas for schools to implement
after careful study.
To "squirt" I say more power to the charter schools. They are able to
get a greater percentage of the dollars set aside per pupil actually to the
classroom.Can you imagine how much more money the schools would have
if they didn't have all of that district overhead sucking money out of
classrooms and into a mostly unnecessary organization?
I appreciate the thoughts included in this article. Having said that, when you
take into account all of the funding which goes to charter schools-ie. local
replacements dollars, administrative costs etc., charter schools actually
receive more spending per pupil than neighborhood public schools.
Fred44,Charter schools are a collaborative effort on the part of
parents to have more control over their children's education, and on the
part of certain individuals to enrich themselves on tax dollars. Some investigative reporter could expose a real political/educational/conflict
of interest scandal.
I thought when we started charter schools they were going to be able to do it
better for less money. The Deseret News now wants to equalize the money the
get? So give them the same funding, but let them play by different rules?
@ Mark E. TownerI wish I could give you ten "Likes!" In our agency, we face the same issues with horrible bandwidth available
in rural communities for our offices. We are a scientific agency and getting
data from the field offices to our Regional offices or even between rural
offices is often an impossible task. Try getting 500 high school students at
the same time on the Internet and see how fast the available bandwidth is
saturated and unusable. There is little incentive for private industry to
upgrade hundreds of miles of cabling and creative solutions only go so far
before it is a glaring problem. It is a HUGE issue and no one talks about it.
I have a tablet with a detachable keyboard with keys that give
tactile response. It also has Microsoft Office and Windows 8.1 on it for
completing actual work and not just watching YouTube. They do exist.
marxist,Parents aren't the only people who have a stake in our
education system. They should not be the only people with shares.Every tax payer pays into the system, and every citizen benefits from the
system (whether they have their own children in the system or not).
That's why I didn't support the voucher system proposed years ago.We all need an educated society. We all have a stake in insuring we
have an educated workforce, we all need an educated citizenry, we all have an
interest in insuring our schools aren't turning out young adults that are
not equipped to function in society. We ALL have a stake in insuring we have
an effective education system (not just parents). We either invest
a lot in the education system... or we will need to invest a lot more to expand
our corrections institutions (because that's where many of those kids will
eventually end up). It's in the best interest of every person who lives
in the community (not just parents and teachers) to insure we have a good
As a teacher who actually works in a west side high school, who actually is 1:1
technology solutions in all of my classes, who actually spoke to the committee
and answered question after question form the committee members who then voted
the bill out 13-1, I'm so upset that is appears nobody including the
article authors actually read the bill. The 1:1 technology decision is actually
the least important component of the bill. The real issue here is the woefully
inadequate technology infrastructure around the state (especially rural schools)
that would have been upgraded with this bill. There is NO WAY 1:1 can be
implemented without the highest speed bandwidth in each classroom. The other big
component not reported is the 40 hours of actual training teachers would receive
on the use and implementation of this technology in the classroom. Everybody
keeps stressing the tablets. Well I can say for a fact tablets do not work in
High school. Students need full keyboards to create documents and learn the
keyboarding skills necessary for work once they graduate.There are
alternative ways to pay for this as well.
What emerges from the repeated ineptitude of our lawmakers to effectively
respond to the critical issues of our state like education is that those who use
political or religious ideology as a cloak for personal ambition are doubly
Also, you said "While it is imperative that we seek innovation in education
process for all of Utah's students, no single solution will suffice."
Right on! So give my teacher managed cooperatives a shot.
The best measure to improve education would be the creation of teacher
administered school cooperatives. Parents could also own shares in these
cooperatives. Teachers would then be masters of their own fate and would have
to please parents and students first. They wouldn't have to sweat complex,
and often meaningless, teacher evaluation processes. No more
administrative overburden on curriculum matters! Parents and students would
evaluate competing cooperatives and find the best one for them. School
districts would remain, but only to manage the buildings. Teacher cooperatives
would likely share buildings.Think of it! No more state level
administrative layer with its enormous salaries. And no more principals either.
We socialists are for worker management whenever possible. The
schools offer a tremendous opportunity.This would be an enormous
change, probably too much of one, so how about a few demonstration projects to
test out my idea? I understand many liberals will dislike the
notion of dispersed control, but they and socialists have to decide at some
point if parents are to be trusted. We have to trust them as their opinion of
education quality is the only one that matters.