Why in a great country as ours, with education for all, do we have so many low
First of all, does it really take "research" to determine that the price
of something going up is harder to pay for if you have less money?Wow, I need to get paid for research!!@worfWe have so
many low income families because our politicians manipulate poor people, to buy
votes, to grow govt spending on social programs...encourages poor to stay poor.
Rinse. Repeat.Also, "financial reform" passed by the
democrats/obama administration to prevent banks from becoming "too big to
fail". We now have 10% fewer small banks and banks are bigger than ever.
Big banks pay more tax and continue bad behavior.During the Clinton
administration, another liberal lie of ultra-cheap borrowing/lending. This
created the housing bubble and our real estate crashed and many peoples credit
ruined.This takes a toll on the stability of our financial
system.Check for yourself. Obama campaigned as the savior of the
poor. Meanwhile poverty has INCREASED for all 6 years he has been president.
Lies for political power.In 2011 46.4% paid ZERO federal income tax.
Yet govt spending up? Federal (our) debt?Too many people in the
wagon, too few pulling.
Adjusted for inflation, in the 70's college tuition was equivalent to $700
a year. No wonder so many of my Aunts and Uncles put themselves through school
with a summer job. Apparently, that same age group now calls themselves the
Tea-party. State Universities in AZ are now $10,000 a year not
including books or other "fees."There's no explanation
for it other than greed and corruption.
Seems like people who post comments here can just make up stuff for no apparent
reason. Here, let me give it a try (although it really isn't made up):
The reason tuition is rising may be because of greed and corruption, but instead
of looking at the T-party, I would look at the leftists who run most of the
educational institutions in this crumbling country of ours.
the economy continues to be sluggish due to liberal policies of increased taxes,
red tape, etc. Maybe these students should take courses online.
Most colleges and universities have very liberal faculties. As such, college
students are hit almost daily with these liberal professors attacking
"corporate greed", "Big Oil", Big Pharmacy", "Big
Tobacco", "CEO Salaries"...yada, yada.I guess now we can
start calling these greedy, money grubbing schools and tenured professors:
"Big Education"Nice to see Libs getting a taste of their own
medicine! What a bunch of hypocrites they are!
The article addresses a legitimate problem yet the posts are predominantly blame
throwing rather than solution finding. Defenders of both the left and the right
are defending their respective "nanny state" while belittling the
others. Stay on target. Is the latest barrier to entry legitimate?
Fiscally yes and morally no. Are there other options? I think so. I'll
get on my soapbox again and tout the Open Courseware Initiative. It's free
education from some of the best universities in the world. But sadly, still non
degree conferring. Is it more practical from a cost standpoint to research the
logistics of the higher ed "GED"?I used the health care
industry as an example. Can you study to be a medical technologist online? Can
you pass the ASCP certification exam from an online learning experience? Sure,
you will probably need some training on specific instrumentation, etc. to gain
some proficiency, but so does the technician who sits in a classroom. Is the experience as enriching as the classroom? I doubt it, but hey, you can
get from SLC to Provo via the Alpine loop, through Heber City , I-15 or on that
forsaken stretch of road west of Utah lake.
There really is no justification for the rapid and extensive increase in college
tuitions for the past few years, for any income level. Unless, of course,
it's because schools are trying to make up for all the lost revenue they
incur due to sports. In spite of all the rhetoric and news reports to the
contrary, the vast majority of colleges lose money in spite of all the TV
What has happened (and it started in Clinton's years), is that universities
became really good at statistics. They can estimate how much a financial
benefit is required to get a student from a certain background to accept. They
don't offer more than necessary.Colleges define diversity as
race, they don't define it as culture. So, if they get an affluent black
they get as much benefit as a poor black. They want to cut out the riff-raff
while maintaining a facade of diversity.I like Utah, the liberal
Mormon church and the liberal Utah legislature have made an effort to keep
education inexpensive. I like BYU-Idaho. The basis of them is to have an
inexpensive education. A truly liberal university and not a facade of
liberalism. (I know what people are thinking. But an inexpensive education is
a liberal value.)
Low income families should not be affected by rising college costs. The kids in
those families should work their way through school just like most other college
A dose of reality here: The reason tuition is climbing is because state
legislatures continue to cut support for higher ed, requiring universities to
pass those costs onto students in the form of higher tuition. In the 20th
century, the philosophy was that low-cost college would ensure America's
economic prosperity by providing everyone wanting an education access. In the
1980s, that all changed with a belief that education was too much of a burden
onto society and that lower taxes for people (the very ones who benefited from
low-cost educations in the first place!) was better for society.Higher ed has lost its value in society, and its partly higher ed's fault
-- promoting exoteric research in "prestigious" journals over applied,
practical knowledge that can benefit taxpayers and society in general. Seeing the comments here demonstrates how negatively people see higher
ed. Very sad when you think that higher ed could be pumping out better relevant
research to create jobs and be economic engine for the state. This is higher
ed's lost opportunity, and it is paying for it with lost legislative and
Re: "The reason tuition is climbing is because state legislatures continue
to cut support for higher ed . . . ."Liberal sophistry.State support for "higher" ed has never appreciably decreased.
Nationwide, it nearly tripled between 1987 and 2008, from around $30B to nearly
$90B. Obama's recession slowed the growth since then, with even a few
barely significant decreases in a couple states, notably California. But state
support has greatly outstripped inflation.It simply has not gone up
fast enough to keep pace with the deranged spending increases demanded by the
Big Ed trifecta scam -- a programmatic explosion, primarily in liberal arts and
soft sciences, with an accompanying explosion in Big Ed employment; a corporate
welfare giveaway to well-connected construction firms, resulting in an expensive
and unnecessary Big Ed building boom; and, most expensive of all, a salary
explosion supporting extravagant lifestyles among supposedly liberal and
socialist "educators" and administrators.Though states and
feds tax and spend more for Big Ed support today then ever, it'll never be
enough to satisfy liberal "educators," whose primary goal is the
destruction of the very Nation that so lavishly supports them.
it used to be 'work hard, be successful', now it has become 'pay
hard, be successful'. as the foundation of our country's economy
continues to erode (basic industry, basic commodities, basic production of
goods) and moved to areas of the globe that offer 'people's sweat at
dirt cheap rates", the 'upper crust' of our management (aka nanny
government, decision makers and corporate decision makers) choose ways to
'grow' money out of nothing (Biden??) with slick underhanded social
tricks, we will fail as a nation. simply reconfiguring any organization for the
explicit result of making only profits, rather than enduring products is WRONG!
and that is what the education establishment is doing, it has become a 'for
profit' business disguised as a 'not for profit' money maker,
replete with grand campus's swimming pools, sports maniacs, public
relations departments, expansion committees, and 'alumni' cadres
regurgitating billions back into the monsters. smart people are now a
'product' of these 'career license factories', even if they
cant read between the lines, experience poverty, and even comprehend life living
in a slum, losing homes or smelling toxic waste. wealth is it's own gaoler.
Part of the problem is the old style of management that most companies still
have. An engineer at many large companies doesn't design anything and is
limited to following fixed decision trees because of corporate red tape. You
hardly need to spend 4 years in engineering school for that so most engineers
are overqualified for their positions.Yet, if you don't get
your kids a college education, you can watch them struggle and be poor the rest
of their lives. If you leave them on their own they either join the military to
get the GI bill, get heavily into debt or take a trade and be lucky to find a
decent position paying half as much as a "professional" position with
declining wages every year.
Seems to me I remember a study recently that showed that college tuition costs
mirrored the increase in federal loans money available. Kind of hard to accept
colleges pushing that kind of debt on to students as having anything to do with
morally ethical behavior other than just grabbing the money when it's
available from a captured consumer.
How does inflation happen? You increase the money supply without increasing
productivity. Basic economics this boy from a poor family learned while he was
working and paying his own way through college.Throw billions of
dollars at universities in the form of student loans and what do you get?
Inflated tuition and students who aren't productive enough to pay those
loans off. In the meantime, you get even more staff, making more, producing
less and loan defaults which burden the country.Stop student
loans.How can you pay for college?- Just because you are
poor doesn't mean you can't be smart, and be smart I mean be WISE.
Study hard in high school, take AP courses, and get an Associates Degree for
free and qualify for a scholarship. Work ethic trumps IQ every time.- Get jobs with companies who sill subsidize tuition.- Work
full-time and go to school part-time. I know lots of people who are doing that,
and in addition to an education they are getting something equally as valuable
-- EXPERIENCE -- which in turn helps them understand what they are learning in
There is a correlation with tuition costs and the availability of low-interest
government loans used to finance the tuition. If students had to pay cash for
their education they would stick with lower-cost community colleges, and the big
Universities would have to lower their tuition to compete.The same
things starting to happen with health care. government subsidies given
directly to the lower-income families is used to shield the true costs of
health care. Insurers created higher-priced plans with higher deductibles which
middle which cost $1200 - $1500 per month for a family of 4, but subsidies lower
it for some to just $300 per month. Insurance companies are claiming they will
have to double or tripe those costs next year, which is going it make it
impossible for most middle income families not eligible for subsidies to
With many colleges and universities holding millions and even billions in
endowments, why is tuition going up? I hear Harvard law school will waive
tuition if a graduate goes into some kind of public service field after
graduation. (That instead of getting immediately on the corporate get rich
quick track). Maybe more such programs should be run by more colleges. For
instance, if a graduate goes into the military and does 4 years there, waive
some of the great cost of college. So much liberalism running our higher
education system. Where is that liberal compassion when the dollars hit the
Where I live the trades are booming, cost to get a trade certificate is only two
years and jobs are plentiful at decent wages. Four year degrees at any
university are often useless by themselves.
The Air Force is paying 100% of my sons education while he works in intelligence
forensics thanks to speaking Mandarin on his mission. This is in addition to
free room and board, 30 days paid leave, medical, etc. Not everyone has the
money to go to college or parents with the means to pay for the, but there are
alternatives. A niece is on a 100% Army ROTC scholarship at BYU as a nurse and
will graduate as. 2nd Lieutenant in four years, the have four years of active
duty and two more on reserve status. Not a bad gig.
I'm not sure why DN rails against tuition costs and student debt all the
time. This is the free market at work. The alternative, some sort of government
support or intervention, is socialism, which is prohibited here by scorn and
ridicule. It is what it is, unless you're willing to do something about it.