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Published: Monday, March 10 2014 10:05 p.m. MDT

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worf
Mcallen, TX

Why in a great country as ours, with education for all, do we have so many low income families?

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

First of all, does it really take "research" to determine that the price of something going up is harder to pay for if you have less money?

Wow, I need to get paid for research!!

@worf

We have so many low income families because our politicians manipulate poor people, to buy votes, to grow govt spending on social programs...encourages poor to stay poor. Rinse. Repeat.

Also, "financial reform" passed by the democrats/obama administration to prevent banks from becoming "too big to fail". We now have 10% fewer small banks and banks are bigger than ever. Big banks pay more tax and continue bad behavior.

During the Clinton administration, another liberal lie of ultra-cheap borrowing/lending. This created the housing bubble and our real estate crashed and many peoples credit ruined.

This takes a toll on the stability of our financial system.

Check for yourself. Obama campaigned as the savior of the poor. Meanwhile poverty has INCREASED for all 6 years he has been president. Lies for political power.

In 2011 46.4% paid ZERO federal income tax. Yet govt spending up? Federal (our) debt?

Too many people in the wagon, too few pulling.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Adjusted for inflation, in the 70's college tuition was equivalent to $700 a year. No wonder so many of my Aunts and Uncles put themselves through school with a summer job. Apparently, that same age group now calls themselves the Tea-party.

State Universities in AZ are now $10,000 a year not including books or other "fees."

There's no explanation for it other than greed and corruption.

amagnetick
AV, CA

Seems like people who post comments here can just make up stuff for no apparent reason. Here, let me give it a try (although it really isn't made up): The reason tuition is rising may be because of greed and corruption, but instead of looking at the T-party, I would look at the leftists who run most of the educational institutions in this crumbling country of ours.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

the economy continues to be sluggish due to liberal policies of increased taxes, red tape, etc. Maybe these students should take courses online.

Sven
Morgan, UT

Most colleges and universities have very liberal faculties. As such, college students are hit almost daily with these liberal professors attacking "corporate greed", "Big Oil", Big Pharmacy", "Big Tobacco", "CEO Salaries"...yada, yada.

I guess now we can start calling these greedy, money grubbing schools and tenured professors: "Big Education"

Nice to see Libs getting a taste of their own medicine! What a bunch of hypocrites they are!

Ex-Pat of Zion
Lititz, PA

The article addresses a legitimate problem yet the posts are predominantly blame throwing rather than solution finding. Defenders of both the left and the right are defending their respective "nanny state" while belittling the others. Stay on target.

Is the latest barrier to entry legitimate? Fiscally yes and morally no. Are there other options? I think so. I'll get on my soapbox again and tout the Open Courseware Initiative. It's free education from some of the best universities in the world. But sadly, still non degree conferring. Is it more practical from a cost standpoint to research the logistics of the higher ed "GED"?

I used the health care industry as an example. Can you study to be a medical technologist online? Can you pass the ASCP certification exam from an online learning experience? Sure, you will probably need some training on specific instrumentation, etc. to gain some proficiency, but so does the technician who sits in a classroom.

Is the experience as enriching as the classroom? I doubt it, but hey, you can get from SLC to Provo via the Alpine loop, through Heber City , I-15 or on that forsaken stretch of road west of Utah lake.

wer
South Jordan, UT

There really is no justification for the rapid and extensive increase in college tuitions for the past few years, for any income level. Unless, of course, it's because schools are trying to make up for all the lost revenue they incur due to sports. In spite of all the rhetoric and news reports to the contrary, the vast majority of colleges lose money in spite of all the TV largess.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

What has happened (and it started in Clinton's years), is that universities became really good at statistics. They can estimate how much a financial benefit is required to get a student from a certain background to accept. They don't offer more than necessary.

Colleges define diversity as race, they don't define it as culture. So, if they get an affluent black they get as much benefit as a poor black. They want to cut out the riff-raff while maintaining a facade of diversity.

I like Utah, the liberal Mormon church and the liberal Utah legislature have made an effort to keep education inexpensive. I like BYU-Idaho. The basis of them is to have an inexpensive education. A truly liberal university and not a facade of liberalism. (I know what people are thinking. But an inexpensive education is a liberal value.)

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

Low income families should not be affected by rising college costs. The kids in those families should work their way through school just like most other college dtudents.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

A dose of reality here: The reason tuition is climbing is because state legislatures continue to cut support for higher ed, requiring universities to pass those costs onto students in the form of higher tuition. In the 20th century, the philosophy was that low-cost college would ensure America's economic prosperity by providing everyone wanting an education access. In the 1980s, that all changed with a belief that education was too much of a burden onto society and that lower taxes for people (the very ones who benefited from low-cost educations in the first place!) was better for society.

Higher ed has lost its value in society, and its partly higher ed's fault -- promoting exoteric research in "prestigious" journals over applied, practical knowledge that can benefit taxpayers and society in general.

Seeing the comments here demonstrates how negatively people see higher ed. Very sad when you think that higher ed could be pumping out better relevant research to create jobs and be economic engine for the state. This is higher ed's lost opportunity, and it is paying for it with lost legislative and public support.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The reason tuition is climbing is because state legislatures continue to cut support for higher ed . . . ."

Liberal sophistry.

State support for "higher" ed has never appreciably decreased. Nationwide, it nearly tripled between 1987 and 2008, from around $30B to nearly $90B. Obama's recession slowed the growth since then, with even a few barely significant decreases in a couple states, notably California. But state support has greatly outstripped inflation.

It simply has not gone up fast enough to keep pace with the deranged spending increases demanded by the Big Ed trifecta scam -- a programmatic explosion, primarily in liberal arts and soft sciences, with an accompanying explosion in Big Ed employment; a corporate welfare giveaway to well-connected construction firms, resulting in an expensive and unnecessary Big Ed building boom; and, most expensive of all, a salary explosion supporting extravagant lifestyles among supposedly liberal and socialist "educators" and administrators.

Though states and feds tax and spend more for Big Ed support today then ever, it'll never be enough to satisfy liberal "educators," whose primary goal is the destruction of the very Nation that so lavishly supports them.

hapticz
Passaic, NJ

it used to be 'work hard, be successful', now it has become 'pay hard, be successful'. as the foundation of our country's economy continues to erode (basic industry, basic commodities, basic production of goods) and moved to areas of the globe that offer 'people's sweat at dirt cheap rates", the 'upper crust' of our management (aka nanny government, decision makers and corporate decision makers) choose ways to 'grow' money out of nothing (Biden??) with slick underhanded social tricks, we will fail as a nation. simply reconfiguring any organization for the explicit result of making only profits, rather than enduring products is WRONG! and that is what the education establishment is doing, it has become a 'for profit' business disguised as a 'not for profit' money maker, replete with grand campus's swimming pools, sports maniacs, public relations departments, expansion committees, and 'alumni' cadres regurgitating billions back into the monsters. smart people are now a 'product' of these 'career license factories', even if they cant read between the lines, experience poverty, and even comprehend life living in a slum, losing homes or smelling toxic waste. wealth is it's own gaoler.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Part of the problem is the old style of management that most companies still have. An engineer at many large companies doesn't design anything and is limited to following fixed decision trees because of corporate red tape. You hardly need to spend 4 years in engineering school for that so most engineers are overqualified for their positions.

Yet, if you don't get your kids a college education, you can watch them struggle and be poor the rest of their lives. If you leave them on their own they either join the military to get the GI bill, get heavily into debt or take a trade and be lucky to find a decent position paying half as much as a "professional" position with declining wages every year.

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

Seems to me I remember a study recently that showed that college tuition costs mirrored the increase in federal loans money available. Kind of hard to accept colleges pushing that kind of debt on to students as having anything to do with morally ethical behavior other than just grabbing the money when it's available from a captured consumer.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

How does inflation happen? You increase the money supply without increasing productivity. Basic economics this boy from a poor family learned while he was working and paying his own way through college.

Throw billions of dollars at universities in the form of student loans and what do you get? Inflated tuition and students who aren't productive enough to pay those loans off. In the meantime, you get even more staff, making more, producing less and loan defaults which burden the country.

Stop student loans.

How can you pay for college?

- Just because you are poor doesn't mean you can't be smart, and be smart I mean be WISE. Study hard in high school, take AP courses, and get an Associates Degree for free and qualify for a scholarship. Work ethic trumps IQ every time.

- Get jobs with companies who sill subsidize tuition.

- Work full-time and go to school part-time. I know lots of people who are doing that, and in addition to an education they are getting something equally as valuable -- EXPERIENCE -- which in turn helps them understand what they are learning in college.

Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

There is a correlation with tuition costs and the availability of low-interest government loans used to finance the tuition. If students had to pay cash for their education they would stick with lower-cost community colleges, and the big Universities would have to lower their tuition to compete.

The same things starting to happen with health care. government subsidies given directly to the lower-income families is used to shield the true costs of health care. Insurers created higher-priced plans with higher deductibles which middle which cost $1200 - $1500 per month for a family of 4, but subsidies lower it for some to just $300 per month. Insurance companies are claiming they will have to double or tripe those costs next year, which is going it make it impossible for most middle income families not eligible for subsidies to purchase insurance.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

With many colleges and universities holding millions and even billions in endowments, why is tuition going up? I hear Harvard law school will waive tuition if a graduate goes into some kind of public service field after graduation. (That instead of getting immediately on the corporate get rich quick track). Maybe more such programs should be run by more colleges. For instance, if a graduate goes into the military and does 4 years there, waive some of the great cost of college. So much liberalism running our higher education system. Where is that liberal compassion when the dollars hit the road?

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

Where I live the trades are booming, cost to get a trade certificate is only two years and jobs are plentiful at decent wages. Four year degrees at any university are often useless by themselves.

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

The Air Force is paying 100% of my sons education while he works in intelligence forensics thanks to speaking Mandarin on his mission. This is in addition to free room and board, 30 days paid leave, medical, etc. Not everyone has the money to go to college or parents with the means to pay for the, but there are alternatives. A niece is on a 100% Army ROTC scholarship at BYU as a nurse and will graduate as. 2nd Lieutenant in four years, the have four years of active duty and two more on reserve status.

Not a bad gig.

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