Published: Tuesday, March 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Inhumane to send someone home(on taxpayer dime)? Cry me a river. It's
inhumane to lock criminals up in cages(prison) too huh? Obey the law or
"Even at the high rate of deportation, it would take at least 50 years for
all undocumented aliens currently in the U.S. to be sent back to their countries
of origin."Well, that's a start. Review USC Title 8
Sections 1324, 1325 and 1644. Enforce it.
To make it's "record deportations" claim, the administration takes
cases that would have previously been counted as "returns" and counts
them as "removals." Then, they compare only their removals (and returns)
to the number of removals under previous administrations. Separately, they point
to the lower number of returns as evidence that the border is "more secure
than ever.""The statistics are actually a little
deceptive," Obama said last month (sept 2011) during a discussion with
Hispanic journalists. There has been "a much greater emphasis on criminals
than non-criminals." And "with stronger border enforcement, we've
been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as
a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day or 48
hours."It's a big con job by the administration and some of
the news media.
What's disingenuous and cynical is tossing the 12th Article of Faith out
the window in the false name of compassion and humanity. If it
really were about compassion and humanity, we would hear about the suffering of
countless Americans as a result of illegal immigration. We would hear about the
moral corruption of children as a result of teaching them that there is a reward
for breaking the law -- which incidentally is what legalization what do. But
alas all we hear in this regard is crickets.And surely the Deseret
News is aware that by his own admission, Obama and his administration falsely
count border turnaways as deportations, knowing that this will mislead many
Americans. The fact is that under Obama, real deportations -- i.e.,
from the nation's interior -- have gone way down. And obviously Obama has
promised illegal aliens virtual immunity at the law.Deportation is a
basic standard of immigration law enforcement. The notion that such enforcement
is immoral or inhumane, is the lie of the century. Where
propagandists are able to succeed in inculcating this lie, immigration law
effectively ceases to exist. Society then breaks down, as we are
In my opinion Obama's immigration enforcement and that of previous
administrations is too little too late. I don't know of any nation that
has borders as porous as ours nor any country who allows over 12 million illegal
immigrants to live openly and freely without much effort to find and deport
them. No nation can be sovereign or last long with this lack of border control.
Come now; Obama is not the great deporter. The Editor should know this. Obama
himself admits that his deportations are an apples-to-oranges comparison to real
deportations. He has focused on convicted violent felons.His big numbers
come from catching illegal aliens at the border and sending them home before
they even enter the country. Previous administrations have NOT counted those as
deportation.Additionally Obama has been lax at the job of interior
enforcement.*He halted worksite raids.*He gutted local partnerships
like Secure Communities and 287g.*He rescinded standing deportation orders
for 300,000 illegal aliens.*He unilaterally gave two year visas to the
DREAMers.There are dozens of additional examples if the Editor would
simply research the question. FAIR USA has a pretty good list.The DN is
blinded by its own position and refuses to see the reality.
Really? In the opinion of the Deseret news, "Obama's immigration
enforcement too harsh?"And then you go on to say, "The
administration has authorized immigration authorities to use 'prosecutorial
discretion' and avoid applying deportation procedures against those who
were brought here as children."Gosh, Obama has been lambasted in
the Deseret News by Right Wing commenters for not enforcing every law to the
maximum.And he's been ridiculed for over-stepping his bounds
and micro-managing.But now when he enforces the law as written and
then allows prosecutors the discretion to handle these cases as they see fit,
that's wrong too . . . In the eyes of Right Wingers.In other
words, there is absolutely no way Obama can please Right Wingers, even if he
does exactly what they say they want him to do.It's no wonder
he's pretty much stopped asking for input from Republicans. The nation
would be much better off if Obama simply ruled by executive fiat.
With illegal immigration and related ills becoming more and more of a problem,
it's natural that deportations would increase, independent of what someone
in as high and unrelated a position as the president would say in the matter.
It really sounds more like another attempt to blame something on the
Republican-lead Congress; despite hunger for latino votes, the latter is
hesitant to begin any type of reform because the president, if given the chance,
would absolutely -not- support or enforce deportations or border security.Besides that, what are "Latino advocacy groups" and what do they
care about it? If a bunch of caucasians were moving to Japan illegally, some
bringing destructive drugs and violence while more avoid undergoinging any form
of assimilation, would it be reasonable for a "white advocacy group" to
insist that they should be able to do so?
If and I say if, Obama has been this aggressive in immigration enforcement it
is one of the few things that he has done that I support. The government needs
to be aggressive in enforcement which would send a message that if you come here
through the back door you will suffer the consequences. And why not. Deportation
is only one tool to use but we need to use them all. Granting anything that
smells like amnesty will only encourage more to break the law. Head em up and
move em out.
Oh my! Another right wing paradox. Obama enforces immigration laws too much
AND he enforces them too little. Kind of like saying Obama is a tyrant AND a
mom-jeans wearing wimp. Consistency folks, consistency. Not your strong suit.
Regardless of how you want to use the statistics, it would be hard to make any
case that Obama is worse on immigration than the 6 years of Republican
controlled House, Senate and Presidency under GWB.The GOP talks
tough immigration policy when they are not in power, but do little when they
have control.Just like the deficit. Just like healthcare. Just
like social programs. Just like entitlement programs.Like Clinton
said. "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did"Or in this case, "for not doing what you didn't do"
How is an illegal suppose to be given the chance to "make it right" like
the LDS Church suggests unless he/she is sent back to their country of origin
and made to do it the legal way like everyone should do it in the first place?
When reading the comments of those who so strongly oppose immigration reform on
the grounds that illegal immigrants have broken the law, I am reminded of the
tongue-in-cheek observation of Anatole French:"In its majestic
equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the
streets and steal loaves of bread."One wonders how many of these
strict followers of the law, had they had been born into a dirt-poor pueblo in
El Salvador with a family to feed, would hold the same harsh opinions on
violations of immigration law.
To Conservatives -- this man can do nohting right, ever!Their myopic bias
and ought right hatred taints all reality.Too hard on immigratnion,
Not hard enough on immigration.Too hard on spending cuts, Not hard enough on spending cuts.Too hard on the Middle East, Not hard enough on the Middle East.Too involved in Foreign
affairs, Not involved enough in Foreign affaris.He's too
black, He's too white.We get it, You hate all
things Obama.Now, move along.
President Obama needs to take action against those who hire illegal immigrants
as well. We would have no illegal immigration problem if jobs were not
available. We should condemn both employer and employee equally. If we are
arresting and deporting illegal immigrants, maybe hefty fines and loss of
property would be in order for those employers who do not use e-verify and make
bank on the backs of illegal workers. Or maybe we should just
disenfranchise those who use illegal workers. We can take away their citizenship
and just drop off the employee and the employer across the border. They can
then, as Upson Downs says above, let employers "make it right."Or
in the words of Mohokat in these comments, "Head 'em up and move
'em out." All of them.
Bickering about which administration did better on deporting illegal aliens is
useless. Bush has been out of office for years. What he did is irrelevant.
What we are doing now and what we will do in the future is relevant.I think deporting people here illegally is humane. It's better than
putting them in jail, and we can't just look the other way.A
lot of Americans are out of work and looking for jobs. I would assume
it's the same in the illegal alien community (many unemployed and
desperately looking for jobs). At least American citizens can collect
unemployment to carry their families over while they look for a job. Illegal
aliens don't even have that. They have to be super desperate. And
desperate people will do things they would never do otherwise to insure their
children survive (which sometimes means illegal activities to make money).This can't be a great existence. In a country where you
can't speak the language. You can't legally work. Always hiding.
If someone hurts you or takes advantage of you... you can't call the
police.Maybe these people are better off in their homeland...
Upson DownsSandy, UTHow is an illegal suppose to be given the chance
to "make it right" like the LDS Church suggests unless he/she is sent
back to their country of origin and made to do it the legal way like everyone
should do it in the first place?8:03 a.m. March 11, 2014=========== It's called "Amnesty"."A
pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a
political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain
classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been
convicted."Without coming right out and saying it, that is
what is implied.It's perfectly legal, and Saint Ronald
Reagan did it back in 1986.
I'm gathering more evidence that politics is just like professional
wrestling. It's social engineering manipulated at a higher level than the
players we see.To get a percentage of the population to change their
minds on a subject completely, you just change the label of the player from
Republican to Democrat and do the same things. Many will change their minds
about it based on their group affiliation.If NAFTA designs and
allows the free flow of goods across borders, it should do at least the same for
PEOPLE! NAFTA isn't designed to improve the free market at all, but to
manipulate it and drive down labor costs. Without the artificial disparity
between labor costs there is NO incentive for NAFTA at all since all goods given
equal labor and other production costs would be made closest to the point of
production within the range of economies of scale.
Obama enforcing the law. What an oxymoron. He so far hasn't done too good
of a job with the Affordable Care Act. He keeps skirting the law on that one,
only for political gain.
Deseret News and KSL's non-stop propaganda and support for the breaking of
existing laws is incredibly naive and unwise. Maybe they can explain the good
that comes from selective obedience. Anarchy comes to mind.
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