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Published: Tuesday, March 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Ken
Sandy, UT

Inhumane to send someone home(on taxpayer dime)? Cry me a river. It's inhumane to lock criminals up in cages(prison) too huh? Obey the law or don't come

Pappy
Saint George, UT

"Even at the high rate of deportation, it would take at least 50 years for all undocumented aliens currently in the U.S. to be sent back to their countries of origin."

Well, that's a start. Review USC Title 8 Sections 1324, 1325 and 1644. Enforce it.

RRB
SLC, UT

To make it's "record deportations" claim, the administration takes cases that would have previously been counted as "returns" and counts them as "removals." Then, they compare only their removals (and returns) to the number of removals under previous administrations. Separately, they point to the lower number of returns as evidence that the border is "more secure than ever."

"The statistics are actually a little deceptive," Obama said last month (sept 2011) during a discussion with Hispanic journalists. There has been "a much greater emphasis on criminals than non-criminals." And "with stronger border enforcement, we've been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours."

It's a big con job by the administration and some of the news media.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

What's disingenuous and cynical is tossing the 12th Article of Faith out the window in the false name of compassion and humanity.

If it really were about compassion and humanity, we would hear about the suffering of countless Americans as a result of illegal immigration. We would hear about the moral corruption of children as a result of teaching them that there is a reward for breaking the law -- which incidentally is what legalization what do. But alas all we hear in this regard is crickets.

And surely the Deseret News is aware that by his own admission, Obama and his administration falsely count border turnaways as deportations, knowing that this will mislead many Americans.

The fact is that under Obama, real deportations -- i.e., from the nation's interior -- have gone way down. And obviously Obama has promised illegal aliens virtual immunity at the law.

Deportation is a basic standard of immigration law enforcement. The notion that such enforcement is immoral or inhumane, is the lie of the century.

Where propagandists are able to succeed in inculcating this lie, immigration law effectively ceases to exist.

Society then breaks down, as we are witnessing.

IMAPatriot2
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

In my opinion Obama's immigration enforcement and that of previous administrations is too little too late. I don't know of any nation that has borders as porous as ours nor any country who allows over 12 million illegal immigrants to live openly and freely without much effort to find and deport them. No nation can be sovereign or last long with this lack of border control.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Come now; Obama is not the great deporter. The Editor should know this. Obama himself admits that his deportations are an apples-to-oranges comparison to real deportations. He has focused on convicted violent felons.
His big numbers come from catching illegal aliens at the border and sending them home before they even enter the country. Previous administrations have NOT counted those as deportation.
Additionally Obama has been lax at the job of interior enforcement.
*He halted worksite raids.
*He gutted local partnerships like Secure Communities and 287g.
*He rescinded standing deportation orders for 300,000 illegal aliens.
*He unilaterally gave two year visas to the DREAMers.
There are dozens of additional examples if the Editor would simply research the question. FAIR USA has a pretty good list.
The DN is blinded by its own position and refuses to see the reality.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Really? In the opinion of the Deseret news, "Obama's immigration enforcement too harsh?"

And then you go on to say, "The administration has authorized immigration authorities to use 'prosecutorial discretion' and avoid applying deportation procedures against those who were brought here as children."

Gosh, Obama has been lambasted in the Deseret News by Right Wing commenters for not enforcing every law to the maximum.

And he's been ridiculed for over-stepping his bounds and micro-managing.

But now when he enforces the law as written and then allows prosecutors the discretion to handle these cases as they see fit, that's wrong too . . . In the eyes of Right Wingers.

In other words, there is absolutely no way Obama can please Right Wingers, even if he does exactly what they say they want him to do.

It's no wonder he's pretty much stopped asking for input from Republicans. The nation would be much better off if Obama simply ruled by executive fiat.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

With illegal immigration and related ills becoming more and more of a problem, it's natural that deportations would increase, independent of what someone in as high and unrelated a position as the president would say in the matter. It really sounds more like another attempt to blame something on the Republican-lead Congress; despite hunger for latino votes, the latter is hesitant to begin any type of reform because the president, if given the chance, would absolutely -not- support or enforce deportations or border security.

Besides that, what are "Latino advocacy groups" and what do they care about it? If a bunch of caucasians were moving to Japan illegally, some bringing destructive drugs and violence while more avoid undergoinging any form of assimilation, would it be reasonable for a "white advocacy group" to insist that they should be able to do so?

mohokat
Ogden, UT

If and I say if, Obama has been this aggressive in immigration enforcement it is one of the few things that he has done that I support. The government needs to be aggressive in enforcement which would send a message that if you come here through the back door you will suffer the consequences. And why not. Deportation is only one tool to use but we need to use them all. Granting anything that smells like amnesty will only encourage more to break the law. Head em up and move em out.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Oh my! Another right wing paradox. Obama enforces immigration laws too much AND he enforces them too little. Kind of like saying Obama is a tyrant AND a mom-jeans wearing wimp. Consistency folks, consistency. Not your strong suit.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Regardless of how you want to use the statistics, it would be hard to make any case that Obama is worse on immigration than the 6 years of Republican controlled House, Senate and Presidency under GWB.

The GOP talks tough immigration policy when they are not in power, but do little when they have control.

Just like the deficit. Just like healthcare. Just like social programs. Just like entitlement programs.

Like Clinton said. "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did"

Or in this case, "for not doing what you didn't do"

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT

How is an illegal suppose to be given the chance to "make it right" like the LDS Church suggests unless he/she is sent back to their country of origin and made to do it the legal way like everyone should do it in the first place?

NobodySpecial
Alpharetta, GA

When reading the comments of those who so strongly oppose immigration reform on the grounds that illegal immigrants have broken the law, I am reminded of the tongue-in-cheek observation of Anatole French:

"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."

One wonders how many of these strict followers of the law, had they had been born into a dirt-poor pueblo in El Salvador with a family to feed, would hold the same harsh opinions on violations of immigration law.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

To Conservatives -- this man can do nohting right, ever!
Their myopic bias and ought right hatred taints all reality.

Too hard on immigratnion,
Not hard enough on immigration.

Too hard on spending cuts,
Not hard enough on spending cuts.

Too hard on the Middle East,
Not hard enough on the Middle East.

Too involved in Foreign affairs,
Not involved enough in Foreign affaris.

He's too black,
He's too white.

We get it,
You hate all things Obama.

Now, move along.

Dragline
Orem, UT

President Obama needs to take action against those who hire illegal immigrants as well. We would have no illegal immigration problem if jobs were not available. We should condemn both employer and employee equally.
If we are arresting and deporting illegal immigrants, maybe hefty fines and loss of property would be in order for those employers who do not use e-verify and make bank on the backs of illegal workers.

Or maybe we should just disenfranchise those who use illegal workers. We can take away their citizenship and just drop off the employee and the employer across the border. They can then, as Upson Downs says above, let employers "make it right."
Or in the words of Mohokat in these comments, "Head 'em up and move 'em out." All of them.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Bickering about which administration did better on deporting illegal aliens is useless. Bush has been out of office for years. What he did is irrelevant. What we are doing now and what we will do in the future is relevant.

I think deporting people here illegally is humane. It's better than putting them in jail, and we can't just look the other way.

A lot of Americans are out of work and looking for jobs. I would assume it's the same in the illegal alien community (many unemployed and desperately looking for jobs). At least American citizens can collect unemployment to carry their families over while they look for a job. Illegal aliens don't even have that. They have to be super desperate. And desperate people will do things they would never do otherwise to insure their children survive (which sometimes means illegal activities to make money).

This can't be a great existence. In a country where you can't speak the language. You can't legally work. Always hiding. If someone hurts you or takes advantage of you... you can't call the police.

Maybe these people are better off in their homeland...

airnaut
Everett, 00

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT
How is an illegal suppose to be given the chance to "make it right" like the LDS Church suggests unless he/she is sent back to their country of origin and made to do it the legal way like everyone should do it in the first place?

8:03 a.m. March 11, 2014

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It's called "Amnesty".

"A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted."

Without coming right out and saying it,
that is what is implied.

It's perfectly legal,
and Saint Ronald Reagan did it back in 1986.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

I'm gathering more evidence that politics is just like professional wrestling. It's social engineering manipulated at a higher level than the players we see.

To get a percentage of the population to change their minds on a subject completely, you just change the label of the player from Republican to Democrat and do the same things. Many will change their minds about it based on their group affiliation.

If NAFTA designs and allows the free flow of goods across borders, it should do at least the same for PEOPLE! NAFTA isn't designed to improve the free market at all, but to manipulate it and drive down labor costs. Without the artificial disparity between labor costs there is NO incentive for NAFTA at all since all goods given equal labor and other production costs would be made closest to the point of production within the range of economies of scale.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Obama enforcing the law. What an oxymoron. He so far hasn't done too good of a job with the Affordable Care Act. He keeps skirting the law on that one, only for political gain.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

Deseret News and KSL's non-stop propaganda and support for the breaking of existing laws is incredibly naive and unwise. Maybe they can explain the good that comes from selective obedience. Anarchy comes to mind.

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