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Published: Monday, March 10 2014 3:09 p.m. MDT

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airnaut
Everett, 00

‘Libertarian wave wins big at CPAC’

The tea party and especially Sen. Rand Paul won big over the weekend during the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).

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I think this HeadLine is very VERY decpetive [or flat out wrong] --

Libertarians are not Tea Partiers
and visa versa.

Unless Tea-Partiers are now supporting Gay Marriage, Legalized marijuana, and U.S. isolationism Foreign Policy.

Perhaps the writer needs to look up and use the proper definitions.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Libertarians? The guys against things like drug laws, abortion restrictions and attacks on foreign countries? That can't be the GOP I know.

jjfeinauer
Buena Vista, Virginia

@airnaut: It's important to remember the difference between those in the Libertarian party and politicians who have libertarian viewpoints. Libertarian (small "L") can encompass many different beliefs, and Paul's views, as well as many views prominent in the tea party, are largely thought to be libertarian. So just because they don't subscribe to all the same viewpoints as the Libertarian party, doesn't mean it's deceptive to refer to them as such.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

airnaut - Libertarians and the Tea Party are alike in one very important respect: They are both completely out of touch with reality when it comes to the issue of taxation.

They are of the opinion, that "revenue is not the problem," which of course, is wrong.

The lack of revenue is a huge problem.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Great!

Libertarians are not a real party, so we have to find one we can work with. And we share some DNA with Republicans, but almost none with Democrats. The Republican Party is the only party we have a chance of influencing, so I'm with them, because there's no way Democrats would even consider the libertarian philosophy. Too small-government for them.

Republicans could win IF the include Libertarians. But they seem to find a way to alienate them. Guess it's just the Republican way.

Democrats have no diversity of thought today. They are too drunk on their party-coolaid for any other ideas to have a chance of even being heard, much less changing them. So this is a good development that more and more Republicans are coming over to the dark-side where Libertarian views can be heard.

This is a good development IF you REALLY want to end "politics as usual" in Washington.

Establishment Democrats and Republicans have been taking turns running Washington, and I really don't see the difference when they take their turns. It's time for something completely different. Maybe some Libertarian influence would work.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Another good thing about having more Libertarians in Washington would be... you wouldn't have as much of this Republican VS Democrat grid-lock (because they haven't sworn allegiance to either of them, so their votes can't be automatically counted as automatic for either party).

Then you have a significant swing-vote you have to win (not just get one Democrat or one Republican on your side). This would result in legislation that's not just written for one side, and crammed down the minority's throat. Because there's more than one minority, and when they come together YOU are the minority. So each bill you have to put at least SOME "win" in it for the other side or go down in flames.

That would be refreshing.

No party bosses running Washington. Some actual legislation that had to have a win for all sides in it. Wow... wouldn't that be nice?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Libertarians could easily side with Democrats on civil liberties issues & defense cuts.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The information about the Libertarians found on the web,to me, describes the culture of the American Indian prior to the time of the white people. I think the fierce independence of the Indian gave a great deal freedom and self respect, but I also think that it was a stark life of difficulties and dangers. I don't think the Indian accomplished much beyond mere survival in a group effort or did much to further the elevation of human beings.

I am proud that I might have a tiny bit of relation to the American Indian in my makeup but I prefer the life in this age. As an individual I might have lots of freedom but not too many ways to use that freedom. I have lots of dependencies but they don't take away any of my self respect and even if I get more than I give I don't feel guilty. Actually I don't keep score.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Great!

Libertarians are not a real party, so we have to find one we can work with.

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Libertarian Party (United States)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chairman
Geoff Neale

Founded
December 11, 1971; 42 years ago

Headquarters
2600 Virginia Avenue NW, Suite 200
Washington, D.C. 20037

Ideology
Libertarianism (American)
Internal factions:
• Anarcho-capitalism
• Paleolibertarianism
• Classical liberalism
• Minarchism

Political position
Economic policy: Free market, Laissez-faire[4]
Social policy: Civil libertarianism, Cultural liberalism[5]
Foreign policy: Non-interventionism, Free trade

International affiliation
Interlibertarians[6]

Colors
Gold, Yellow

The Libertarian Party is an American national political party that reflects, represents and promotes the ideas and philosophies of libertarianism. The Libertarian Party was formed in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in the home of David F. Nolan on December 11, 1971

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42 Years,
I've been a registured Libertarian for over 20...

[right after I left the GOP back in 1988]

Go get your OWN Party name, title.
This one's already been taken.

Clark Griswold
Cedar City, UT

Please don't call Rand Paul a liar. That is unbecoming of the Deseret News.

He is registered to vote, and was elected to the Senate, as a Republican.

When asked to his face if he was a Republican, he replied, "No. I am a Republican."

So, please, be honest. Don't call him a Libertarian.

We in the Libertarian Party believe that everyone has a right to identify themselves as they see fit. Senator Paul wishes to be known as a Republican - therefore he should be identified as a Republican.

And frankly, we have watched his votes in the Senate, and we agree with his personal assessment. He is not a Libertarian, he is a Republican. Don't blame him on us.

intervention
slc, UT

@2bits

I think you missed a couple of the talking points from six years ago but you did manage to get most of them.

Clark Griswold
Cedar City, UT

We in the Libertarian Party should proofread better.

That line should be, "When asked to his face if he was a Libertarian, he replied, "No. I am a Republican."

We regret the error, but not as much as we regret Rand Paul being identified as a Libertarian.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The straw poll at last week's CPAC illustrated that tea party favorites are winning, according to the National Review's Tim Cavanaugh."

No. The straw poll illustrated that tea party favorites are winning AT THE CPAC convention. Which, by nature are the right wing of the GOP.

Would this be a surprise to anyone?

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Legalization of marijuana is his goal.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Clark: Actually, I liked the veiled inference in your original comment about Rand Paul...

airnaut
Everett, 00

Funny,
By these Tea-Partiers calling themselves Libertarians,
I'm shocked to discover that the GOP has now embraced;

Gay marriage,
legalizing marijuana,
open immigration,
Church and State should be completely seperate,
closing and withdrawing all U.S. Military forces,
and Pro-Choice.

Is this a matter of going so extreme and radical,
that you end up morphing into and arriving at the extreme opposite?

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FYI 2bits, you are wrong.

The "Libertarian Party" is not only a "real party",
but it is America's 3rd largest political party,
bigger than the "Green Party", "Constitution Party", and all others combined.

Opinionated Mama
Deer Mountain, UT

Spot on!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I know there is a website and an organization. But Libertarians aren't really a 3rd "Party".

For one... they can't win elections (not enough numbers).

Secondly... they aren't organizable, and party-loyal, like Democrats and Republicans. They don't vote in an organized block. They are all over the place on everything (marijuana, military, abortion, taxes, spying, foreign affairs, etc)... they are all over the place. They aren't as homogenous as a real "party".

Organizing Libertarians is like herding cats (because they are very diverse, free thinking, and don't share common beliefs). Organizing Democrats and Republicans is like herding cattle or sheep (they will do whatever the party boss tells them). If Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi tell them to vote this way... you can bet almost 100% of them are going to vote that way... Libertarians would vote the other way just to show they aren't under your control.

Libertarians are about everybody making their own decisions... political-parties are about organizing and everybody making the SAME decisions. Libertarianism and party-politics don't fit well together. But many libertarians can hold their nose and vote with one real party or the other...

airnaut
Everett, 00

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Look at what we Libertarians stand for,
and then
Compare that to what Republicans stand for.

It's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

The GOP only let you in to be used as rubes to win elections,
i.e., sit down and be quiet.
You are, never have been, and never will be Republicans.
Own it.

I said - I've been Libertarian for more than 20 years,
and unaffiliated off and on through out the last 12.

Like so many I disagree on these boards --
The Tea-Party has no clear understanding of Politics, Parties, the proper role of the Military or the intent of our Constitution.

Just emotional reactionaries to the mondless 24/7 parroting of the echo chamber of AM radio college drop out radio talk show personalities.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" you make me laugh. The hypocrisy that you live is amazing. You claim to be Libertarian, yet you support Socialism, Progressivism, and Modern Liberalism. All that you supports is in direct contradiction to what you claim membership in.

You should realize that the difference between Libertarian and libertian is like Communist and communist. That capitalization matters because it can signifiy membership in a group with similar ideals, or that you have tendencies towards support of the ideals. Yes that is a fine line, but it is significant. As others have mentioned the hard core Libertarian party is a mess because they have no cohesive message. What we want are libertarian minded Republicans that have a cohesive message, as was presented by many at CPAC.

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