Published: Monday, March 10 2014 12:35 p.m. MDT
‘Libertarian wave wins big at CPAC’The tea party and
especially Sen. Rand Paul won big over the weekend during the annual
Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).=========== I think this HeadLine is very VERY decpetive [or flat out wrong] -- Libertarians are not Tea Partiersand visa versa.Unless
Tea-Partiers are now supporting Gay Marriage, Legalized marijuana, and U.S.
isolationism Foreign Policy.Perhaps the writer needs to look up and
use the proper definitions.
Libertarians? The guys against things like drug laws, abortion restrictions and
attacks on foreign countries? That can't be the GOP I know.
@airnaut: It's important to remember the difference between those in the
Libertarian party and politicians who have libertarian viewpoints. Libertarian
(small "L") can encompass many different beliefs, and Paul's views,
as well as many views prominent in the tea party, are largely thought to be
libertarian. So just because they don't subscribe to all the same
viewpoints as the Libertarian party, doesn't mean it's deceptive to
refer to them as such.
airnaut - Libertarians and the Tea Party are alike in one very important
respect: They are both completely out of touch with reality when it comes to the
issue of taxation. They are of the opinion, that "revenue is not
the problem," which of course, is wrong.The lack of revenue is a
Great!Libertarians are not a real party, so we have to find one we
can work with. And we share some DNA with Republicans, but almost none with
Democrats. The Republican Party is the only party we have a chance of
influencing, so I'm with them, because there's no way Democrats would
even consider the libertarian philosophy. Too small-government for them.Republicans could win IF the include Libertarians. But they seem to
find a way to alienate them. Guess it's just the Republican way.Democrats have no diversity of thought today. They are too drunk on their
party-coolaid for any other ideas to have a chance of even being heard, much
less changing them. So this is a good development that more and more
Republicans are coming over to the dark-side where Libertarian views can be
heard.This is a good development IF you REALLY want to end
"politics as usual" in Washington.Establishment Democrats
and Republicans have been taking turns running Washington, and I really
don't see the difference when they take their turns. It's time for
something completely different. Maybe some Libertarian influence would work.
Another good thing about having more Libertarians in Washington would be... you
wouldn't have as much of this Republican VS Democrat grid-lock (because
they haven't sworn allegiance to either of them, so their votes can't
be automatically counted as automatic for either party).Then you
have a significant swing-vote you have to win (not just get one Democrat or one
Republican on your side). This would result in legislation that's not
just written for one side, and crammed down the minority's throat.
Because there's more than one minority, and when they come together YOU are
the minority. So each bill you have to put at least SOME "win" in it
for the other side or go down in flames.That would be refreshing.No party bosses running Washington. Some actual legislation that had to
have a win for all sides in it. Wow... wouldn't that be nice?
Libertarians could easily side with Democrats on civil liberties issues &
The information about the Libertarians found on the web,to me, describes the
culture of the American Indian prior to the time of the white people. I think
the fierce independence of the Indian gave a great deal freedom and self
respect, but I also think that it was a stark life of difficulties and dangers.
I don't think the Indian accomplished much beyond mere survival in a group
effort or did much to further the elevation of human beings.I am
proud that I might have a tiny bit of relation to the American Indian in my
makeup but I prefer the life in this age. As an individual I might have lots of
freedom but not too many ways to use that freedom. I have lots of dependencies
but they don't take away any of my self respect and even if I get more than
I give I don't feel guilty. Actually I don't keep score.
@2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTGreat!Libertarians
are not a real party, so we have to find one we can work with. ========== Libertarian Party (United States)From Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia ChairmanGeoff Neale FoundedDecember 11, 1971; 42 years ago Headquarters2600 Virginia Avenue NW, Suite 200Washington, D.C. 20037 IdeologyLibertarianism (American)Internal factions: •
Anarcho-capitalism • Paleolibertarianism • Classical
liberalism • Minarchism Political positionEconomic policy: Free market, Laissez-faireSocial policy: Civil
libertarianism, Cultural liberalismForeign policy: Non-interventionism,
Free trade International affiliationInterlibertarians Colors Gold, Yellow The Libertarian Party is an
American national political party that reflects, represents and promotes the
ideas and philosophies of libertarianism. The Libertarian Party was formed in
Colorado Springs, Colorado, in the home of David F. Nolan on December 11,
1971========== 42 Years, I've been a
registured Libertarian for over 20...[right after I left the GOP
back in 1988]Go get your OWN Party name, title.This one's
already been taken.
Please don't call Rand Paul a liar. That is unbecoming of the Deseret
News.He is registered to vote, and was elected to the Senate, as a
Republican.When asked to his face if he was a Republican, he
replied, "No. I am a Republican."So, please, be honest.
Don't call him a Libertarian.We in the Libertarian Party
believe that everyone has a right to identify themselves as they see fit.
Senator Paul wishes to be known as a Republican - therefore he should be
identified as a Republican.And frankly, we have watched his votes in
the Senate, and we agree with his personal assessment. He is not a Libertarian,
he is a Republican. Don't blame him on us.
@2bits I think you missed a couple of the talking points from six
years ago but you did manage to get most of them.
We in the Libertarian Party should proofread better.That line should
be, "When asked to his face if he was a Libertarian, he replied, "No. I
am a Republican."We regret the error, but not as much as we
regret Rand Paul being identified as a Libertarian.
"The straw poll at last week's CPAC illustrated that tea party
favorites are winning, according to the National Review's Tim
Cavanaugh."No. The straw poll illustrated that tea party
favorites are winning AT THE CPAC convention. Which, by nature are the right
wing of the GOP.Would this be a surprise to anyone?
Legalization of marijuana is his goal.
Clark: Actually, I liked the veiled inference in your original comment about
Funny, By these Tea-Partiers calling themselves Libertarians, I'm shocked to discover that the GOP has now embraced;Gay
marriage, legalizing marijuana, open immigration, Church and
State should be completely seperate, closing and withdrawing all U.S.
Military forces, and Pro-Choice.Is this a matter of going so
extreme and radical, that you end up morphing into and arriving at the
extreme opposite?======= FYI 2bits, you are wrong.The "Libertarian Party" is not only a "real party", but it is America's 3rd largest political party, bigger than the
"Green Party", "Constitution Party", and all others combined.
I know there is a website and an organization. But Libertarians aren't
really a 3rd "Party".For one... they can't win
elections (not enough numbers).Secondly... they aren't
organizable, and party-loyal, like Democrats and Republicans. They don't
vote in an organized block. They are all over the place on everything
(marijuana, military, abortion, taxes, spying, foreign affairs, etc)... they are
all over the place. They aren't as homogenous as a real
"party".Organizing Libertarians is like herding cats
(because they are very diverse, free thinking, and don't share common
beliefs). Organizing Democrats and Republicans is like herding cattle or sheep
(they will do whatever the party boss tells them). If Harry Reid and Nancy
Pelosi tell them to vote this way... you can bet almost 100% of them are going
to vote that way... Libertarians would vote the other way just to show they
aren't under your control.Libertarians are about everybody
making their own decisions... political-parties are about organizing and
everybody making the SAME decisions. Libertarianism and party-politics
don't fit well together. But many libertarians can hold their nose and
vote with one real party or the other...
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTLook at what we Libertarians stand
for, and then Compare that to what Republicans stand for.It's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.The
GOP only let you in to be used as rubes to win elections, i.e., sit down
and be quiet.You are, never have been, and never will be Republicans.Own it.I said - I've been Libertarian for more than 20 years,
and unaffiliated off and on through out the last 12.Like so
many I disagree on these boards -- The Tea-Party has no clear
understanding of Politics, Parties, the proper role of the Military or the
intent of our Constitution.Just emotional reactionaries to the
mondless 24/7 parroting of the echo chamber of AM radio college drop out radio
talk show personalities.
To "LDS Liberal" you make me laugh. The hypocrisy that you live is
amazing. You claim to be Libertarian, yet you support Socialism, Progressivism,
and Modern Liberalism. All that you supports is in direct contradiction to what
you claim membership in.You should realize that the difference
between Libertarian and libertian is like Communist and communist. That
capitalization matters because it can signifiy membership in a group with
similar ideals, or that you have tendencies towards support of the ideals. Yes
that is a fine line, but it is significant. As others have mentioned the hard
core Libertarian party is a mess because they have no cohesive message. What we
want are libertarian minded Republicans that have a cohesive message, as was
presented by many at CPAC.
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