LDS liberalThanks for making my point
How and why did a tiny letter expressing an opinion about an annoying but
largely minimal change in measurement about time bring in complaints about
conservatives and liberals?
Counter IntelligenceSalt Lake City, UTI abhor DSTand I find it
interesting, yet typical, that the "tolerant" people are so intolerant
of those for whom DST does not work5:29 a.m. March 13, 2014======== I'm sorry you don't get around much.
I abhor DSTand I find it interesting, yet typical, that the
"tolerant" people are so intolerant of those for whom DST does not work
With 1 day left in the Utah Legislature, HB197 already passed the House and made
it out of committee in the Senate. HB197 requires the State to hold at least
one public meeting before November of this year discussing the pros and cons and
costs to the State, resident businesses, etc. of potentially abandoing the DST
madness and just staying on DST or non-DST year-round. It also requires a
report written up and made publicly available. Pretty simple bill, actually,
but the closest thing we've had to sanity on this issue so far (in my
opinion).If you're so inclined, contact your State Senator and
urge them to pass HB197 before the session ends tomorrow. To be fair, there are
like 400 other groups fighting to get other bills on the floor and not all will
get a vote. But if you're lurking this far into the comments on this
story, you certainly might be passionate enough to contact a State Senator about
DST. Please do! :)
Let's change to two time zones in the country--one for the east, one for
the west. The net effect would be that eastern and mountain would perpetually
be on standard time, while central and pacific would be perpetually on daylight
time. I could live with that for a variety of reasons.
I've heard all sorts of arguments for, and against, DST.But,
John Charity Spring's theory about DST and morality was the best I've
heard so far. I know some people don't like losing an hour of sleep, but
this argument is a non-starter. It seems to me that, especially in our day and
age, with all the nifty technology we have, like electric lights, people will go
out and "party" even when it's dark.Besides, I thought
sin liked the dark, not the light. So, in reality DST should actually cut down
The most hilarious thing for me about this article is you know there are people
reading these comments thinking, “hmmm, now I know I like DST (or
don’t) because so and so and his ‘ilk’ are on the other
side.” It’s like watching the doctor tap a knee with a reflex
hammerCan’t wait for next week’s hot topic –
“I like broccoli and you should too.”
@one old man"Daylight Savings Time and Traffic Accidents,"
April 4, 1996, The New England Journal of Medicine.To be fair, there
is a corresponding drop in accidents when we fall back, so it may be a wash. The
point is, people don't function at their optimum level when we mess with
the clock. There are human consequences Mr. Franklin may not have been aware of.
I am always amazed at the folks who complain about having to adjust their clocks
one hour, twice per year. Of all the truly serious things out there to have
heartburn over, this just doesn't rank very high, in my opinion. If most
people are honest about it, I think they would have to admit that the one-hour
time change is little more than a minor inconvenience that only has a minimal
short-term impact.Keep Daylight Saving Time, or get rid of it; I
really don't care that much, either way. I do like DST, because I like to
have daylight later in the day during the longest 8 months of the year (give or
take), but it's a personal preference thing. My second choice would be to
observe Daylight Time year-round, but as that would be essentially equivalent to
shifting Utah into the Central Time Zone from early November until early March,
I don't think that is too likely. But even if the powers-that-be chose to
observe Standard Time year-round, I wouldn't consider that worthy of
This is crazy, just adjust your schedule. The "Man dictates and controls
time" point is overdone.
Here's another "liberal" who hates DST. But I won't complain
about it, how's that.
SLC, being near the Pacific Time Zone line, has high noon sun at 12:25 on
standard time, and 1:25 on daylight savings time. We should do like
Arizona, and just skip DST. We have some daylight savings built in by virtue our
location. We don't need to get greedy.
If people want to get up earlier, why not get up and golf in the morning and let
those who want to sleep in, do so. If businesses want to open
earlier in the summer, so they can close earlier, so it is still light enough to
golf, they are free to do so.My almost 91 year old mother is at
least twice as confused as normal for her, and is so much weaker and more tired
and non-functional today. I would have let her sleep in, but we had appointments
this morning on DST, and we couldn't be late. It is hard on everyone to
adjust, but those who have pre-existing frailties magnify the problems so they
are oh so obvious.But liberals don't seem to care, which is
weird, because they claim they are the only ones who care about the elderly.
Today we see who wants granny to go off a cliff.Airnut - did you
forget that you told us your alter ego, Open Minded Mormon, is not a liberal?
RedShirt;I'm a libertarian and I find DST silly. Tyler D;Nail on the head.It was a great concept for the 20th
I loved waking up in the dark this morning???Morality aside, we have
technology. Why do we need this antiquated concept called daylight savings?re: airnautThe only thing constant is change. So,
Conservatives hate everything??
Nate, may we see some serious documentation for the claim that traffic accidents
increase after changing times?
OK, so I’ll chime in as the lone liberal complainer (at least most on this
board think I’m liberal… a whole other discussion).I
don’t like DST mostly because I don’t see the point. It seems like
an arbitrary and anachronistic contrivance designed to maximize harvest time (or
golf games, or playing in the tree house, or…).And really,
unless you’re living in Alaska any time after say 9:00pm should be
nighttime… not evening or dusk.
Is it April first, and is this an April fools joke?I mean sometimes
the comments here are really laughable but DST, and the Nazi's? You do know Nazi's breathed air don't you. Should we avoid that
also? My, my, my.
To "airnaut" go back and read the comments. You will find that the ones
filled with the complaints come from the liberals.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTTo "airnaut" the irony of your
statement is the fact that most of the people complaining about DST are
liberals.1:43 p.m. March 10, 2014========= conservative scientistLindon, UTJohn Charity SpringBack Home in Davis County, UTNatePleasant Grove, UTErikaSalem, UtahCBSalt Lake City, UTand
least we forget -- RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTI
can't help your reading, Not a single Liberal there...
Whatever we do, let's agree to drop the extra "s." It's
Daylight Saving Time.
To "airnaut" the irony of your statement is the fact that most of the
people complaining about DST are liberals.
Benjamin Franklin's Essay on Daylight Savings time was published in French
Journal in 1784. The idea did not originate with Nazi Germany.
Let's stick to facts - not hype.DST was first adopted by
Germany during World War I (no Nazis then). Britain and the US followed. It
was implemented by FDR during WWII.So please - DST is not a Nazi or
a liberal conspiracy.
My clock in my dead seams to go off every day at the same time, summer or
winter. I would be nice to sleep an hour longer.
The moral of the Story is -- Conservatives just don't like
change, not matter what.
I don't like DST either because I spend the whole summer one hour behind.
Seems a bit antiquated to me since we are living in an era much more advanced
"It is established fact that Nazi Germany was the big proponent of DST. Does
any more need to be said?"Actually, yes. Why were they a
proponent of DST? Can you provide any credible evidence?Is it
possible that they wanted to extend the Golf day?Some studies
suggest that more crime is committed during a full moon. I think we all
know who we can blame for that.Is there anything that you cant make
a "morality case" against?
I'd love an extra hour of daylight in the MORNING. Nature has it right. I
wish we'd stop this infernal clock changing every spring and fall.
JC Spring,Way to manipulate data to prove whatever you want it to
prove.As the concept of Daylight Savings Time wasn't introduced
until 1895, no wonder Ben Franklin didn't support it.As to the
Nazi connection: Starting on 30 April 1916, Germany and its World War I allies
(Austria-Hungary) were the first to use DST as a way to conserve coal during
wartime. Britain, most of its allies, and many European neutrals soon followed
suit. Russia and a few other countries waited until the next year and the United
States adopted it in 1918.
Open Minded MormonEverett, 00It's quite simple, church meeting
times are none of DN business. Talk to your ecclesiastic leaders.
Parenthetically, letters to the editor are not "the DN," anymore then
your opinions are the DN. They are opinions submitted to the DN.
Not surprisingly, those who favor left-wing policies have been quick to attack
all the posts which criticize DST. Part of this attack has been a campaign of
misinformation.Benjamin Franklin absolutely did not support DST.
What he really supported was the concept of going to bed on time and getting up
early in order to be productive. It is established fact that Nazi
Germany was the big proponent of DST. Does any more need to be said?
The number of traffic accidents and heart attacks increases during the first 2-3
days after changing to Daylight Saving Time. It's like jet lag for the
I personally find the disruption of my Circadian rhythms minimal. No big deal.
Plan to go to bed an hour earlier one Sat night a year- adjustment made! Kind of
nice having that "extra hour" of sleep in the Fall. I really enjoy the
longer daylight hours in the evening- I can get more done outside after work-
yard work, recreation, exercise, etc. Very soon the naturally lengthening days
will have it light again by 6:30- no worries. If anything I would vote for DST
Spending more money, eating more, and using more energy is what they want us to
do. It's not good for us as individuals but it's good for the economy,
and money, above all else, is what it's all about. That's why it will
JC Spring, thanks for the hardy laugh this morning, you should write for the
"Cobert Show," seriously.
"The factor that is strangely ignored in this debate is the impact that DST
has on morality."Could it be ignored because you are the only
person who views this issue in such a light?"Do we really want a
government policy which encourages addiction and crime?"DST
"encourages addiction and crime?"I am confused. Aren't
the bars, by law, still required to close at a certain time? How does DST
affect that?I must admit. Most of your posts have me wondering if
you are serious or do you laugh at people like me who respond.
Why don't we see letters to the Deseret News every January complainging
about Church time changes?...I hate 9:00 am Sacratment Meetings, The 1-4 block is the worst.11-2 is right in the middle of my baby's
I love the long summer evenings. Most folks I know just use it for more family
time and events.
The factor that is strangely ignored in this debate is the impact that DST has
on morality. What more important factor could there be?Studies show
that DST causes the general population to stay up later in the Sumer.
Consequently, the public stays out late at bars and clubs, which in turn
increases drunkenness and alcohol related criminal activity. The citizens pay
for this twice: both as victims of criminality and as taxpayers with a higher
tax burden.Do we really want a government policy which encourages
addiction and crime? No sensible person would say, "yes."
Amazing how some are so resistent to any sort of change....I love
I personally would rather be awakened by the sunlight at 6:00 am rather than
5:00 am in the Summer - plenty early for me. I do many things in the early
morning during the Spring, Summer, and Fall - often starting morning outdoor
activities at 5:30 or 6:00 am - and daylight savings time doesn't interrupt
any of them. It does allow me to spend more productive daylight hours outside
in the evening at this time of year. To those who constantly complain about the
one hour of lost sleep in the spring (including claims that it severely damages
health), I can't imagine anyone with this mindset ever traveling across
time zones, having children, completing college (or even high school), doing
shift work or really working in any employment where one may have to adjust
working schedule occasionally, or doing any of the multitude of other things
that upset our personal circadian rhythms much more than daylight savings.
Please quit whining and deal with it. Besides we get an extra hour of sleep in
I hate to tell you sir but a flight to Europe is far more disruptive to your
system than losing an hour of sleep once. BTW, try living on the
easernt boundary of a time zone and see what that does to your system. The sun
will come up an hour earlier than ""mother nature" planned for you.
Ah yes -- Utah, We have 2 things to look forward to twice a year --- the semi-annual LDS General Conference, and the Deseret News letter
complaining about the time change.---"Energy savings
was one reason for daylight saving time, but now it can be easily argued that
the opposite is true, that we spend more energy with daylight time." We spend more energy with daylight?Are you kidding me?True, we humans use more energy during the daylight because we are AWAKE and
WORKING.But your aurgement is 180 degreee opposite of the
"truth".BTW -- I like having a summer evening bar-b-que when
it's still light outside, not having it hit 110 degrees before 9:00
a.m., and not having to get up at 3:30 a.m. in the morning to golf, bike,
hike, etc.It's 1 hour, If your body can't adjust to
that -- don't even think about traveling outside of the Utah bubble.And -- Why do people hate Benjamin Franklin?
"Daylight saving time interrupts our natural human circadian rhythms"My "circadian rhythm" is just fine. Even after being assaulted
with this recent time change.You may want to have yours checked.