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Published: Monday, March 10 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Why would Count My Vote now "cave" ? Several good reasons, they wanted the Utah Legislature to bail them out.

1. They never had a well written proposed law.

2. Their Legal brief was finally discovered to be a con.

In a soon to be released counter brief it was discovered that Count My Vote / Buy My Vote based part of their argument on a minority opinion form the SCOTUS and not the majority opinion. It shows that the Legal Brief put out by Count My Vote to be as flawed as the proposed law. Not only is the conflicting sections in Count My Vote going to give a judge pause and kick it back to the Utah Legislature to fix, and the 2% system obviously not treating candidates from different parties equally, but the whole premise of Count My Vote being able to stand up to the courts is flawed.

3. 2014 SB 2014 passed the Senate.

4. Protect Our Neighborhood Elections files a complaint with the Lt. Governor's office re: Count My Vote asking for signatures, perhaps even all to be thrown out.

5. It was discovered that CMV didn't have the signatures in at least 6 of the senate districts and were going to fail.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

All Count My Vote wanted was a Lexus Lane or Rolls Royce Road to the ballot for the rich and famous, and you are correct, SB 54 gives them that, along with an incumbent protection plan. It never was about the voters. That is pretty obvious to everyone now.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

Of course good old Bob Bennett calls this a win. If it had been in place back in 2010 despite the fact he didn't even make it out of the first run off because everyone saw his corruption and that he was a RINO he could have used his massive war chest,collected 28,000 signatures and bought his way onto the ballott again.Then all it becomes is media blitz and empty promise campaign.If CMV supporters feel like they were used they should. If you complained about beaurocracy or special interest lobbying before congradualtions it just got entrenched 100 fold. By the way this is what we supporters of the Caucuss system warned you would be the result because we informed, extremist, constitutional nuts had actually done our homework and researched these guys enough to know who they really were, but I digress. As a popular comedian has said "... heres your sign!"

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Utah 1,

So if what you say is true why did the republican legislature cave in? If I were a die hard republican caucus lover that is the question I would be asking my representative.

Sandy Citizen50
SANDY, UT

Some people seem to be sore losers on this issue. Sorry you feel that way, but overall, many more of us than just the delegates to the conventions wanted to participate in the primary process. The current system of caucus/convention seemed to favor the die-hards of each party, which most of the time are people that reside at the ends of the political poles, thus negating the middle portion of our electorate. I for one am pleased that the politicians felt the pressure to listen to the public on this matter.

Overall, I would feel even better if we could get term-limits on our State politicians and especially for the US Congress. We need to get rid of some of the Nancy Pelosi's and Sen Reid's of congress and move to a system where more people in this nation get a chance to serve and present their voice, if we truly are a democracy.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

Sandy Citizen 50,they didn't listen to the public on this issue. They carved out aspecial road to push candidates that they choose for you to elect from. You get free choice in a primary but anyone who has seen how the parties function knows that you only get the choice to choose from the candidates who can muster the large financial backing to overwhelm their competition you just entrenched incumbancy. I am surprised your asking for term limits that is what many of the newer delegates were pushing for and we managed to eject and expose alot of the corrupt establishmant back in 2010. CMV supporters just handed the election to the incumbants, establishmnet cronies and special interest lobbyists on a silver platter. You gave them a pass around the vetting process of the caucuss which allowed the people to hold them accountable. Now all they have to do is campaign through media and promise a lot of things they don't intend to do and you will keep electing the same people over and over and wonder why nothing changes.

Paul8777
Brigham City, UT

Many of the comments so far illustrate why the Count My Vote reforms were so essential to Utah. The argument that caucus attendees are somehow more informed or more "Constitutionally correct" than the rest of us is simply laughable, and the fact that caucus supporters labelled Sen. Bennett a "RINO" only increases his credentials in the opinion of many of us. I'm hoping Sen. Bennett is correct, and that the caucus system will die a quiet death, with the last dozen tea party folks and constitutionalists sitting in a cold room somewhere comparing notes about President Obama's birth certificate while the rest of us elect the representatives we really want.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

Paul8777.Oh that pesky constitution that they all took an oath to uphold it just always stands in the way of corruption doesn't it.And yes Bob Bennett is a RINO. Before the 2 terms of GW Bus were over he became known as one of the largest Pork Spenders and special interest lobbyists in washington kind of goes against the party platform of fiscally responsible small government doesn't it. He voted for TARP, and the Bailouts sounds like established corporate cronysin doesn't it. Kind of goes agains the party platform stance on free market enterprise and making your own way doesn't it. Supporterd defacto amnesty for illegals w/ HB116 against party platform. Last his own son threw a temper tantrum and endorsed the democrat candidate for govenor during the mid term govenor election (don't talk to me about loyalty to the party when his support looks more like the democrats than the base of his own party. He was judged against the principles of his own parties platform and found his lip service and actions didn't line up. Or do you believe you can represent a parties beliefs when you yourself are a hypocrite.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I see Bob is still crying over his loss. He really needs to get over himself. Had I had my way way back then, Chris Cannon would have been our Senator, not Bailout Bob. Too bad we didn't know then what we know now. The caucus system worked for Bennett once and failed him the second time. Shucks.

Paul8777
Brigham City, UT

How sad for the Republican Party that statesmen like Sen. Bennett are held in such contempt by those who have taken over the party, and who have appointed themselves to be the arbiters of party and constitutional purity. In the immortal words of Jon Huntsman, Jr. (I know, I know, another RINO - spare me the lecture) "This nation is divided...because of attitudes like that." I think that a great motto for the current Republican Party would be "Striving for irrelevance." That is where it is headed, and as a former Republican, that's something I can celebrate. When you are done purging the party of people like me, and relegated actual leaders like Sen. Bennett and Gov. Huntsman to the RINO closet, you'll be left with a long string of also-rans.

topofutpatriot
Logan, UT

"A political party has a First Amendment right...to choose a candidate selection process that will in its view produce the nominee who best represents its political platform." -Justice Scalia in Democratic Party v. Wisconsin

What the mega wealthy, political elite backers of CMV initiative and members of the legislature who struck the "Grand compromise", want is the right to the Republican Brand. The last two election cycles in UT prove that no one group controls the Utah GOP.

2010 the elected delegates denied Sen. Robert F. Bennett place on the primary ballot, Moderate Tim Bridgewater with 58% of the delegate vote, conservative Mike Lee with 42%. Lee won the election.

2012 Produced an entirely different result, Moderate Sen. Orrin Hatch and Conservative Utah Sen. Dan Liljenquist emerged from the convention with 59.19% and 40.81%. Hatch won the Election.

The selection of the process to select candidates is what is protected by the 1st amendment. The outcome is determined by those who choose to show up and participate.

Utah must prove political parties in UT are blatantly discriminating, based on race, religion, gender etc... or SB54 will be proven unconstitutional if the Political parties choose to fight in federal district court.

Paul8777
Brigham City, UT

I look forward to that court case, and I look forward to seeing the Republican Party lose. We could probably debate back and forth various court cases that we think support our point of view, but the reality is that the Legislature and the people of Utah have the right to determine how their elections are conducted, and none of that takes away any political party's right of association, nor its right to free speech. As an independent voter (the parties like to call us "unaffiliated"), I will enjoy watching the Republican Party sue to try to overturn what is clearly the will of the people of Utah as expressed through its Legislature, and through its right to petition. Have at it.

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

Wow, it will be easier and cheaper to get on the ballot with signatures and moderate Republicans won't have to pander to the fringe far right of the party. This is great! No wonder Sen. Lee tried to derail the compromise. The majority of Utahns want a regular primary like the majority of states out there. This is not gaming the system, this is called democracy! Remember, this is only to get on the primary ballot. Caucus delegates and supporters can vote in the primary as well, so stop all your belly aching!
Gaming the system is the caucus system where less than 3% of the population chooses delegates which are less than 1% of the population who get to choose who gets to be on the ballot before the moderate middle gets a chance to vote or are disinfranchised by a delegate who is more far right than they are.
Sen. Bennett please consider running in 2016!

Heidi71
Taylorsville, UT

Yes, if my memory serves me right, he used to strongly support the institution of the cauci. Until he lost in 2010 Utah State GOP Convention. He tried really hard to get to run for state delegates at the cauci. We did that for him and voted for Bennet at the convention. But to no avail. Mike Lee won. And now I'm glad Mike Lee won. Lee is doing a much better job than Bennett ever did.

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