"It's a fact, there's much more competition in men's
volleyball, than there is in coed skiing."It's a fact the
only reason you believe that is because one sport involves only Utah and the
other involves only BYU. Any objective mind would recognize the comparison.
Nearly identical fields of competition. It makes for very competitive
competition across the board. This is a compliment, not slander against
volleyball. Maybe show some respect and quit slighting other student-athletes
just because BYU doesn't compete against them.
StGtoSLCIt's a fact, there's much more competition in
men's volleyball, than there is in coed skiing. Utah's
only real competition in coed skiing is literally 6 other teams - Wyoming,
Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico, Denver, and Dartmouth. History proves that:Team ChampionshipsDenver 22Colorado 18Utah 10Vermont 6Dartmouth 3Wyoming 2New Mexico 1Individual ChampionsColorado 88Denver 84Utah 69Vermont
62Dartmouth 35Wyoming 19New Mexico 15Middlebury,
with 10 individual champions, is the only other school with at least 10
champions.Compare that to the list of 10 different programs that
have won Men's Volleyball National Championships:School #
(Last)UCLA - 19 (2006)Pepperdine - 5 (2005)USC - 4 (1990)UC Irvine - 4 (2013)BYU - 3 (2004)Penn State - 2 (2008)Stanford - 2 (2010)Ohio State - 1 (2011)Long Beach State - 1
(1991)San Diego State - 1 (1973)In addition to the 10 schools
that have won national championships, 13 other schools have played in the
national semi-finals and championship matches - UC Santa Barbara, Cal State
Northridge, IPFW, Lewis, Ball State, Princeton, Hawaii, Rutgers, Newark, Army,
Springfield, Yale, George Mason, and Loyola-Chicago.
LOTR, yeah uhh pretty sure I covered that if you read the entire comment. Pretty
funny how many people argue for argument's sake.
TT, again I ask: what does football have to do with skiing or volleyball? By
that metric, schools like UC Irvine, Pepperdine, Lewis, Hawai'i, or Long
Beach State should never have been competitive in men's volleyball since
they have to play all those schools with really good football teams. But look at
that, 15 championships from teams that don't participate in a major
football conference in a sport that's only been sanctioned since 1970 and
includes 24 Division I members.
StGtoSLCThe glaring dissimilarity between your football and skiing
comparisons is, while Alabama, et al do rule football, there are over a hundred
other teams and dozens of big name programs competing. In skiing, Wyoming, Utah,
Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico, Denver, and Dartmouth are pretty much the ONLY
schools that compete. It's like winning a 7-team conference to win an NCAA
2ferTHREE perennial PAC 12 conference powerhouses - UCLA, USC, and
Stanford - play men's volleyball, plus Ohio State and Penn State from the
B1G.TWO perennial PAC 12 conference cellar dwellers - Utah and
Colorado - have coed ski teams.When seven schools account for EVERY
one of the 61 NCAA skiing titles, and two schools have won two-thirds of those
titles, it's obvious there isn't much competition.Winning
the NCAA coed skiing championship is the equivalent of winning a seven team
@ killarneyLoyola-Chicago, Long Beach St., BYU, UC Santa Barbara,
and Pepperdine make up the top 5 for men's volleyball.I guess
men's volleyball isn't that competitive with all those tiny schools
killarney, what does football have to do with skiing or volleyball? I'll
give you a hint: it doesn't."When a tiny school like Denver
can dominate a sport, you know it's not that competitive." That is the
same argument as I could make saying: When a school like UC Irvine (4 of last 7
NCAA men's volleyball championships) can dominate a sport, you know
it's not that competitive. Of course, I wouldn't say that because I
actually understand how having fewer teams in the field ensures that only the
top talent makes it on virtually every team, as opposed to football and
basketball. Also because I actually have respect for student-athletes,
regardless of the sport or school.Many of these athletes will
represent their respective countries of origin in the Olympics. Unprovoked
slighting of them is pretty insulting and disrespectful.
royalblue, you already asked me the same exact question a year ago, to which I
responded, told you the last ski event I went to, and named a good chunk of the
team. We don't need to go there again, because once again you'll
disappear from the discussion to pop back up the next year. I'll tell you
that I can name infinitely fewer BYU men's volleyball players than I can
Utah skiers, just as you can name infinitely fewer Utah skiers as you can BYU
men's volleyball players. Each of us care about one, not at all about the
other, and there's nothing wrong with that.Your response had
NOTHING to do with my comparison of the two whatsoever. I compared the two in
number of teams in their field, which raises the competitive level, and you come
out of left field comparing the number of spectators? Completely irrelevant.
StGtoSLCThe biggest difference difference between men's
volleyball and coed skiing is thousands of fans turn out to watch volleyball and
closely follow the teams throughout the season; hardly anybody, even at the U,
follows skiing.I've attended dozens and dozens of BYU
men's volleyball games. When was the last time you attended a Utah skiing
competition? Without looking it up, could you name Utah's top skier at the
just completed NCAA coed skiing championship.
StGtoSLC"There are 24 Division I teams that compete in
men's volleyball, very similar to the 23 teams that compete for the NCAA
ski championship."Not even close.Men's
volleyball includes UCLA, USC, Stanford, Ohio State, Penn St, BYU, Hawaii, and
Rutgers, which would make a VERY GOOD major college football conference.Coed skiing includes Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and New Mexico, which
wouldn't even make a decent mid-major football conference.When
a tiny school like Denver can dominate a sport, you know it's not that
competitive, especially when two schools - Denver(22) and Colorado(17) - have
won 39 (64%) of the 61 championships.
Talon9, I'd think that BYU fans, often avid supporters of men's
volleyball, would understand both the advantages and challenges that a small
competition field creates. There are 24 Division I teams that compete in
men's volleyball, very similar to the 23 teams that compete for the NCAA
ski championship. This means that athletes wanting to compete at this level are
limited in the schools they choose to compete for. Thus, all of them have the
potential to turn into a very good team very quickly. Utah is historically one
of the top ski teams in the country and are in contention for a national
championship every year, as are Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico, Denver and
Dartmouth. These schools are pretty much the Alabamas, Texases, USCs, etc.
(relating to football) of college skiing, while an occasional team like Wyoming
emerges as a darkhorse contender.
23 total schools
@stgBecause it answered a question.
"Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming are the only FBS schools that
participate in skiing."...which has exactly what to do with
Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming are the only FBS schools that
participate in skiing.
Are Colorado and Utah the only major conference teams that compete in skiing?