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Published: Saturday, March 8 2014 8:25 p.m. MST

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backpacn
Sandy, UT

Are Colorado and Utah the only major conference teams that compete in skiing?

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming are the only FBS schools that participate in skiing.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming are the only FBS schools that participate in skiing."

...which has exactly what to do with anything?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

Because it answered a question.

Talon9
Oceanside, CA

23 total schools

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Talon9, I'd think that BYU fans, often avid supporters of men's volleyball, would understand both the advantages and challenges that a small competition field creates. There are 24 Division I teams that compete in men's volleyball, very similar to the 23 teams that compete for the NCAA ski championship. This means that athletes wanting to compete at this level are limited in the schools they choose to compete for. Thus, all of them have the potential to turn into a very good team very quickly. Utah is historically one of the top ski teams in the country and are in contention for a national championship every year, as are Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico, Denver and Dartmouth. These schools are pretty much the Alabamas, Texases, USCs, etc. (relating to football) of college skiing, while an occasional team like Wyoming emerges as a darkhorse contender.

killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

StGtoSLC

"There are 24 Division I teams that compete in men's volleyball, very similar to the 23 teams that compete for the NCAA ski championship."

Not even close.

Men's volleyball includes UCLA, USC, Stanford, Ohio State, Penn St, BYU, Hawaii, and Rutgers, which would make a VERY GOOD major college football conference.

Coed skiing includes Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and New Mexico, which wouldn't even make a decent mid-major football conference.

When a tiny school like Denver can dominate a sport, you know it's not that competitive, especially when two schools - Denver(22) and Colorado(17) - have won 39 (64%) of the 61 championships.

royalblue
Alpine, UT

StGtoSLC

The biggest difference difference between men's volleyball and coed skiing is thousands of fans turn out to watch volleyball and closely follow the teams throughout the season; hardly anybody, even at the U, follows skiing.

I've attended dozens and dozens of BYU men's volleyball games. When was the last time you attended a Utah skiing competition? Without looking it up, could you name Utah's top skier at the just completed NCAA coed skiing championship.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

royalblue, you already asked me the same exact question a year ago, to which I responded, told you the last ski event I went to, and named a good chunk of the team. We don't need to go there again, because once again you'll disappear from the discussion to pop back up the next year. I'll tell you that I can name infinitely fewer BYU men's volleyball players than I can Utah skiers, just as you can name infinitely fewer Utah skiers as you can BYU men's volleyball players. Each of us care about one, not at all about the other, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Your response had NOTHING to do with my comparison of the two whatsoever. I compared the two in number of teams in their field, which raises the competitive level, and you come out of left field comparing the number of spectators? Completely irrelevant.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

killarney, what does football have to do with skiing or volleyball? I'll give you a hint: it doesn't.

"When a tiny school like Denver can dominate a sport, you know it's not that competitive." That is the same argument as I could make saying: When a school like UC Irvine (4 of last 7 NCAA men's volleyball championships) can dominate a sport, you know it's not that competitive. Of course, I wouldn't say that because I actually understand how having fewer teams in the field ensures that only the top talent makes it on virtually every team, as opposed to football and basketball. Also because I actually have respect for student-athletes, regardless of the sport or school.

Many of these athletes will represent their respective countries of origin in the Olympics. Unprovoked slighting of them is pretty insulting and disrespectful.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ killarney

Loyola-Chicago, Long Beach St., BYU, UC Santa Barbara, and Pepperdine make up the top 5 for men's volleyball.

I guess men's volleyball isn't that competitive with all those tiny schools dominating.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

2fer

THREE perennial PAC 12 conference powerhouses - UCLA, USC, and Stanford - play men's volleyball, plus Ohio State and Penn State from the B1G.

TWO perennial PAC 12 conference cellar dwellers - Utah and Colorado - have coed ski teams.

When seven schools account for EVERY one of the 61 NCAA skiing titles, and two schools have won two-thirds of those titles, it's obvious there isn't much competition.

Winning the NCAA coed skiing championship is the equivalent of winning a seven team conference title.

LOTR
Baltimore, MD

StGtoSLC

The glaring dissimilarity between your football and skiing comparisons is, while Alabama, et al do rule football, there are over a hundred other teams and dozens of big name programs competing. In skiing, Wyoming, Utah, Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico, Denver, and Dartmouth are pretty much the ONLY schools that compete. It's like winning a 7-team conference to win an NCAA title.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

TT, again I ask: what does football have to do with skiing or volleyball? By that metric, schools like UC Irvine, Pepperdine, Lewis, Hawai'i, or Long Beach State should never have been competitive in men's volleyball since they have to play all those schools with really good football teams. But look at that, 15 championships from teams that don't participate in a major football conference in a sport that's only been sanctioned since 1970 and includes 24 Division I members.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

LOTR, yeah uhh pretty sure I covered that if you read the entire comment. Pretty funny how many people argue for argument's sake.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

StGtoSLC

It's a fact, there's much more competition in men's volleyball, than there is in coed skiing.

Utah's only real competition in coed skiing is literally 6 other teams - Wyoming, Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico, Denver, and Dartmouth. History proves that:

Team Championships
Denver 22
Colorado 18
Utah 10
Vermont 6
Dartmouth 3
Wyoming 2
New Mexico 1

Individual Champions
Colorado 88
Denver 84
Utah 69
Vermont 62
Dartmouth 35
Wyoming 19
New Mexico 15

Middlebury, with 10 individual champions, is the only other school with at least 10 champions.

Compare that to the list of 10 different programs that have won Men's Volleyball National Championships:

School # (Last)
UCLA - 19 (2006)
Pepperdine - 5 (2005)
USC - 4 (1990)
UC Irvine - 4 (2013)
BYU - 3 (2004)
Penn State - 2 (2008)
Stanford - 2 (2010)
Ohio State - 1 (2011)
Long Beach State - 1 (1991)
San Diego State - 1 (1973)

In addition to the 10 schools that have won national championships, 13 other schools have played in the national semi-finals and championship matches - UC Santa Barbara, Cal State Northridge, IPFW, Lewis, Ball State, Princeton, Hawaii, Rutgers, Newark, Army, Springfield, Yale, George Mason, and Loyola-Chicago.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"It's a fact, there's much more competition in men's volleyball, than there is in coed skiing."

It's a fact the only reason you believe that is because one sport involves only Utah and the other involves only BYU. Any objective mind would recognize the comparison. Nearly identical fields of competition. It makes for very competitive competition across the board. This is a compliment, not slander against volleyball. Maybe show some respect and quit slighting other student-athletes just because BYU doesn't compete against them.

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