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Published: Friday, March 7 2014 8:55 p.m. MST

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My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

The sponsor is perplexed at having his hopes dashed by trying to impose his hate laws on citizens rights? Children have right too, maybe they want to smoke and its none of this sponsors business if a child does want to smoke, its not a crime nor is it harmful nor does it cause any diseases. To the chagrin of the sponsor his will is not being obeyed.

There's a more logical reason the sponsor lost his mind over this, it allows the state to tax these with some made up sin laws. The reason tobacco has not been made illegal is because there is no proof that smoking is harmful and its a billion dollar plus tax revenue that non smokers don't have to pay as an unfair tax. Non smokers should be groveling at the feet of smokers for paying such an excessive tax burden for them.

Advertisers just sell what they are paid to sell, lies and misinformation to sell someones false ideas or products. Advertisers aren't required to tell the truth, that falls on the seller or advocate of hate.

trekker
Salt Lake, UT

Why would any parent want their child exposed to addictive drugs and depended on them every day? Smoking causes many health problems, My grandfather died of cancer that has been linked to second hand smoke. Children are not mature enough to make an education decision to smoke or not. The problem with e cigarettes is they addict you to nicotine, then you realize its much cheaper to buy real cigarettes. This will happen to kids. Look at products made by tobacco companies work on kids like big league chew, jerky in snuff containers, candy cigarettes etc. they know in time kids will move on the real tobacco. E cigarettes are the same idea.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I don't know but I think that there is a lot of people breathing through their mouth getting lung disease's that think smokers caused their problems.

MattZuke
TACOMA, WA

"Why would any parent want their child exposed to addictive drugs and depended on them every day?"

This is a red herring. But as a bit of irony your youth groups give out nicotine gum freely and that's considered to be okay, well, not really since they tend to stop.

"Smoking causes many health problems"

Which is why we support e-cigarettes.

"The problem with e cigarettes is they addict you to nicotine, then you realize its much cheaper to buy real cigarettes. "

Ah, no. Just like nicotine gum doesn't result in habitual use among teens the evidence suggests that nicotine isn't nearly as addictive outside of tobacco. And e-cigarettes are only cheaper if you buy a starter kit. If your assertion was true kids would smoke pipe tobacco which is far cheaper, but the cost of the pipe acts as a natural barrier.

"My grandfather died of cancer"

So you shouldn't wish for adults to continue smoking "for the children".

MattZuke
TACOMA, WA

"Look at products made by tobacco companies work on kids like big league chew, jerky in snuff containers, candy cigarettes etc. "

None of those are connected with big tobacco. Big League Chew specifically was invented by a pitcher who wanted something fun to chew that wasn't tobacco. Jerky Snuff is the same thing, a substitute product that is useful for those quitting dipping. Candy cigarettes are also from Oldtimecandy which aren't even sold anymore except in novelty shops and Amazon. They were used by kids to mimic adults, or to shock them into thinking they had cigarettes.

"they know in time kids will move on the real tobacco"

Except this doesn't happen. We can say kids start smoking because their peers do it.

"E cigarettes are the same idea."

Not at all. E-cigarettes are an alternative mostly supported by cottage industry as an alternative to smoking. E-cigarette sales hurt big tobacco and adults are quitting tobacco with them. How does this help big tobacco? Well it doesn't at all.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Sounds like some owners of tobacco stores discovered this article first.

MattZuke
TACOMA, WA

"Sounds like some owners of tobacco stores discovered this article first."

Citation needed. Neither own a "tobacco" store nor derive any income from tobacco or e-cigarettes. And it's a big disingenuous as e-cigarettes are not a tobacco product. They largely compete with big tobacco. It's easy to tell them a part. Tobacco is a weed, e-cigarettes are high technology items. This weed is put in a tube and sold for insane levels of profit and kill roughly 1% of users per year, e-cigarettes are a high tech item with refined nicotine and to date have killed no one.

"Tobacco" stores differ greatly as they sell this weed that has been cured, processed, and flavored to individuals who tend to set it on fire in one way or another. I can't claim "no" tobacco store sells e-cigarettes. I know of exactly one, which is a fine venue for getting people off cigarettes.

MattZuke
TACOMA, WA

"The reason tobacco has not been made illegal is because there is no proof that smoking is harmful"

Science doesn't do proof. However population studies indicate clearly if you smoke you have higher risk of heart/lung disease and cancer with another 1/3 of various other diseases of which 2% of fatalities come from oral cancer. Those who die of heart/lung disease and even other diseases like oral cancer are likely to be smokers. Exceptionally rare diseases common in smokers, and smokers commonly have rare diseases.

Now we've had to make some adjustments for the fatalities, such as those who smoked and worked with asbestos and died, but by and large there is a firm link between smoking and smoking related illness. The link is so firm that intense epidemiological study was deemed unnecessary. The harm of smoking isn't fully understood, but there is a strong link between smoking and smoking related disease. It's pretty undeniable.

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