Wearing a flag doesn't mean you are a patriot A patriot on one who does
Mark,It says to wear "The Flag" Mark... A T-shirt with an a
partial part of picture of the flag does not constitute wearing it.Have you notice most t-shirts only have part of the flag on it? there is a
reason for that...
@Alfred Actually, it technically is the law. There just aren't any
penalties for not complying with it. Which unfortunately means that people will
ignore it. But, it still is a federal law.@Copy Cat Way to change
the subject. I never said anything about burning it, which I think is also
disrespectful unless doing it in the proper way. Nevertheless, the Supreme
Court (remember them?) has ruled it a right of free speech.
"(by the way, wearing a T-shirt that resembles the Flag does NOT violate the
flag Code)." You're wrong. The Flag Code addresses the
impropriety of using the flag as an article of personal adornment, a design on
items of temporary use, and item of clothing.48 The evident purpose of these
suggested restraints is to limit the commercial or common usage of the flag and,
thus, maintain its dignity. - The United States Flag: Federal Law Relating to
Display and Associated Questions, from a CRS report to congress. "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or
drapery.""No part of the flag should ever be used as a
costume or athletic uniform.""The words "flag, standard,
colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard,
colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or
parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any
size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign
of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of
either,"From the flag code
Happy Valley,No they are not making "that" point... When was the
last time you went into a high school that has Multi-Cultural students?Celebrating Cinco De Mayo was never the problem, I believe the attitude of the
students from Mexico who was celebrating their holiday was the problem.So if these celebrating the Mexican holiday can wear flag shirts, why
can't US born citizens do the same?
Here is my issue of the whole thing.My wife is a school teacher, so
I understand the district decision to try and not cause a race riot by telling
the students they needed to change T-Shirts (by the way, wearing a T-shirt that
resembles the Flag does NOT violate the flag Code).HOWEVER, the
district allowed the students celebrating Cico De Mayo to wear Mexico flag
shirts.So If the district was that uneasy about the situation that
could arise, should they not have banned ALL Flag T-shirts for that day, no
matter what country they represented.Some of the comments on this
letter, really surprises me.
Perhaps, these children should have been allowed to wear their parents sheets
and hoods too, kinda making the same point aren't they.
Copy cat, I, personally, do not think that burning the flag is "okay,"
but I will fight for someone's right to do it. Perhaps you don't
understand the concept of freedom. As far as wearing the flag being
disrespectfull, that's how I read it. The flag code also says it is
disrespectful to use the flag in advertising, it also says it should not be
printed on anything that will be discarded such as napkins and the like. I find these things disrespectful also. But they are not against the
law.See, the flag means a lot to me. But conservatives would never
understand that. See, I don't wear the flag on my clothes, I don't
have a bumped sticker on my car of the flag. I don't even wear a flag lapel
pin. But I know what the flag stands for. And I treat it with the
respect it deserves.
Schools should ban the wearing of flags since it is disrespectful to the U.S.
flag as outlined in the flag code.
You guys that have such a problem with cinco de mayo, do you have the same
problem with St Patrick's day?Wow, RRB nice distortion of
history there. I've got a question for you, do you think everybody is as
badly informed as whatever talking head you got that version of history from?
Cincinnatus"Maybe Mr. Smith should check out the U.S. Flag code,
which states that it is disrespectful to the flag to wearing it as, or on,
clothing unless it is part of a uniform."But burning the flag is
okay???I we are to allow burning, it seems that wearing is far below
that on the offense list. So why is it we protect burning, but not
the lessor offense of wearing the flag? That is the part that is
@Cincinnatus:"Maybe Mr. Smith should check out the U.S. Flag code,
which states that it is disrespectful to the flag to wearing it as...
clothing..."It might be disrespectful but it's not against
the law. Furthermore, it's not a flag if it's sewn into a shirt or
other piece of clothing.@JoeBlow:"This ruling was about
one day, Cinco De Mayo. Not every day. One particular day."Cinco
De Mayo is a Mexican holiday. Has nothing to do with the USofA."Do you think that it is just possible that those who chose to wear a flag
shirt on that day were doing so to send a message?"Yeah, and the
message seems to be... stop celebrating a foreign holiday in America. If you
must celebrate, go to Mexico to do it.@pragmatistferlife:"The courts simply said that it was reasonable for the school to have
believed the shirts were likely to invoke a confrontation of gangs."The court should have said, it's OK to wear American flags in
America any day of the year. And those that would find it insulting should
return to their country of origin.
"Legal immigration continues to be the lifeblood of our country..."Immigration of any kind, legal or otherwise is what's killing our
economy. We don't have the work for immigrants. We don't have enough
jobs for our own citizens. Instead, the government has to shell out billions in
unemployment benefits while immigrants take their jobs. And immigrants suppress
wages because they're willing to work for less.As Ann Coulter
says... stop all immigration and the government won't need to raise the
minimum wage level. It will go up all by itself.
The kids were proud of their country. Nothing wrong with that. This isn't
Mexico, and there is no reason we should not be allowed to wear our flag on the
day that another country beat up the bill collector. (Cinco De Mayo celebrates
the Mexican victory over France. England Germany and France lent Mexico money,
and they refused to pay it back, so France sent soldiers, and lost. It's
not about Mexican independence from Spain)
River dog, I'm curious, you seem to equate patriotism with how much people
display the flag on their clothes. What I'm curious about is who are you to
say how people should express patriotism?
Absolutely nothing, no court case, no opinion, no act, at all, ever, involving
the American flag in any way whatsoever does damage to the United States
Constitution. That's because the Constitution makes no mention of the
flag, ever, anywhere. I understand that the symbolism of the flag has some
potency with some people. But the Supreme Court cannot make any decision
regarding the flag that would do damage to our central governing document.
They're completely separate.
I have worn symbols of my loyalty when as a military man when I felt it
necessary to do so. And I wore civvies in San Diego when I wanted to be
different from the crowd. When I was in the service, we
didn't wear the American flag on our uniforms. I never had the slightest
thought that I had to advertise my nationality or my patriotism on my clothing,
my house or even my car. When I attended my first and only John Birch meeting,
I remember feeling a little put out by their over use of the American flag to
advertise their brand of patriotism as they put down others. That
John Birch experience set my mind to the notion that people who fly the American
flag in unnecessary places and occasions are covering up some flaw in their
patriotism and character. And people who use the American flag to unnecessarily
put down others are guilty of being anti-American. Young people
should be counseled about the use of the American flag so that it will be loved
and respected by all and not become a feared symbol of hate.
I agree with wonder but I would maybe take it one step further and say I do not
appreciate these gang kids using our flag as a way to further their little
criminal (fighting etc...) agendas. There is no patriotism in such behaviors. I
also agree with some of the other commentators that wearing a flag on my shirt
or anywhere else does not make me patriotic, this notion that going around
thumbing our chest and shouting Merica some how makes you more patriotic seems a
rather hollow gesture to me.
1. If they wore shirts like this all day, everyday or even frequently, this
would not be an issue at all.2. The kids were ONLY wearing a U.S.
flag specifically on Cinco De Mayo, in order to protest others.3.
The only people who proudly their wore their Flag, all the time, on everything,
everywhere were the Nazis...let's not go down that route.
The Constitution may in danger, but it's not from liberals. How can we go
about keeping the likes of Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mike Lee, Rush Limbaugh, Karl
Rove, and others of the extreme right far, far away from the most sacred of
American documents? They trash it every day.
I love my country, too, but I don't think that wearing the flag as an
article of clothing somehow demonstrates my great love. Also, I'm pretty
sure these kids are not the great patriots some of you think they are. I'm
pretty sure they are trying to imply that Hispanic kids are not American, even
though most probably are. It's kids acting like troublemakers, but heaven
forbid that the administration have any authority to discipline.
" I know, it's outdated with today's youth to be patriotic and
have a deep love for our country."Do you think that maybe it is
related to the hatred that they hear their parents spew towards our politicians?
Could it have something to do with parents refusing to sign a note allowing
their child to listen to the President address school kids? Or when
the parents celebrate someone calling the POTUS a terrorist or that he hates
America?Patriotism is something that is 24/7. It does not blow with
the political winds.We can disagree with things and still be
patriotic. It all depends on the motive and the avenue.This is
aimed at both sides. We should be very careful in how we talk to and in front
of our kids.Maybe WE are contributing to their lack of patriotism.
Gag!OK, so this was a little over the top on the PC scale for School
District -- but -- Killing the Constitution?I'll
bet $100 you supported Bush's "Patriot Act", denying Muslims
their right to a Cultural Center in New York, and Denying Gays their
individual rights.Agreed, the T-shirt Flag issue is stupid, but the Constitution is being trampled in far FAR worse ways than that!
Spencer you casually say the school was trying handle a difficult situation. No
it wasn't a difficult situation it was outright dangerous. "The case stems from May 5, 2010. In the wake of ongoing gang violence and
fights between white and Mexican students, the administration asked a handful of
students who wore American flag shirts to school on the holiday commemorating
Mexican freedom to either remove their shirts, turn them inside out or go home
with an excused absence after it was warned a confrontation might occur.
"The courts simply said that it was reasonable for the school to
have believed the shirts were likely to invoke a confrontation of gangs. After all this is a shirt, not a flag on a flag pole, or a flag draping
a coffin etc. Symbols have their place but they are symbols and
there is a difference even in symbolism between a flag implanted on a hill top
by a soldier and a flag on a t shirt.
At least lets be honest about this particular situation.This ruling
was about one day, Cinco De Mayo. Not every day. One particular day.Do you think that it is just possible that those who chose to wear a flag
shirt on that day were doing so to send a message?Isn't it possible
that the whole purpose of wearing a flag shirt on that day was to invite
confrontation?It is disingenuous to suggest that this is somehow
anti-constitutional or anti-American.Maybe it stopped a fight or
two. Or worse.
I have lived in a foreign country on and off for ten years. The only foregin
flag I've seen flying in that country are at embassies. The citizens of
that foreign country proudly wear their country's falg on shirts, blouses
and hats. We Americans have lost our direction and sense of partriotism. Yes,
we are a nation of immigrants, but we are Americans, all of us and should be
proud to show it with our nation's flag. I know, it's outdated with
today's youth to be patriotic and have a deep love for our country. The
question those should ask who wonder what makes this country the envy of the
world is, why do so many people choose to live here, legally and illeagully?
Sorry if I offended anyone, I just love my country and am sorry to see it
I don't care much for the decision, but courts have always placed limits
on the First Amendment rights of kids in school. The court didn't exactly
break new legal ground here, and the comparison between burning the flag and
wearing the flag as forms of speech doesn't hold up for school children. I
suspect courts can find ample room to uphold school policies banning both.
A quote by Theodore Roosevelt, one that is quite relevant to the present issue:
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who
comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage
to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an
American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance
here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an
American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have
room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have
room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American
people."Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Courts have long ruled that students in school do not have the same rights of
free speech and expression as adults do. Schools can require girls to wear bras.
Certain items of clothing that are associated with gangs can be banned. School
district can, in fact, require that every student in the school dress in the
exact same clothes, school uniforms in other words.I do not know
anything about this particular case, so I'm not going to comment on it, but
that caveat should be kept in mind.
Maybe Mr. Smith should check out the U.S. Flag code, which states that it is
disrespectful to the flag to wearing it as, or on, clothing unless it is part of
a uniform.Just because a court issues a ruling you don't like,
doesn't mean the Constitution is dead or dying.. That just happens to be a
part of the Constitutional process.
Wearing the flag as a pair of pants or something actually seems a bit
disrespectful to me. I wouldn't do it.