Quantcast

Comments about ‘Church History Symposium examines Mormonism's global reach’

Return to article »

Published: Friday, March 7 2014 5:10 p.m. MST

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Oatmeal
Woods Cross, UT

"If you don't know history you don't know anything. You are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree."

I think that means that Latter-day Saints who don't understand their history (and I am afraid the majority do not) are at a serious disadvantage. I am a believer. But it is time we stopped wringing our hands and started educating ourselves about the Mormonism of history. It means that we should like our Mormon history the way we get the rest of history, uncensored and unabridged.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

This sounds like it turned into a sales meeting (concerning how we can better disseminate our beliefs) rather than a history symposium.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Oatmeal

You think we're getting the rest of history "uncensored and unabridged"? Oh dear.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

brave sir robin,

You may have a point. But even if you can prove that other sources of history are censored and abridged hardly justifies the Mormons in abridging and censoring their history.

If Mormonism is the one and only true church and if Mormon prophets speak for God there would never be any reason to not be 100% open and transparent about the entirety of Mormonism.

And if you think Mormon leaders have always been open and transparent about their history, my reply is this:

Oh dear.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Chris B

You're barking up the wrong tree. I agree completely that the church ought to be completely open and transparent about church history. Just disagreeing with the previous poster where he implies that non-LDS history is open and transparent. By doing so he is rather overtly stating that only the LDS church is whitewashing the past when the truth is, everyone is.

Nothing to see here...time to go find a BYU sports article to comment on.

mhenshaw
Leesburg, VA

Yes, the Church has sometimes shied away from publicly grappling with the more difficult moments of its history. But don't confuse that for maliciously misleading the world about the world about the Church's past. All people and organizations want to put their best image forward, but critics cry foul if the Church isn't always publicly flagellating itself for every mistake or wrong statement that every Church leader ever made or said; and they give the Church no credit for learning from its mistakes.

But the Church is doing better at addressing hard issues. Look at the Joseph Smith Papers website--the Church is releasing more material about its past, not less, including unedited documents addressing the tough subjects.

Elder Jeffrey Holland recently said, "be kind regarding human frailty...except in the case of His only perfect Begotten Son, imperfect people are all God has ever had to work with." The scriptures are replete with stories about God's servants making mistakes--Moses, Jonah, King David, and Peter to name just four. Why should anyone expect His modern servants to be perfect?

jeanie
orem, UT

mhenshaw-

"All people and organizations want to put their best image forward, but critics cry foul if the Church isn't always publicly flagellating itself for every mistake or wrong statement that every Church leader ever made or said; and they give the Church no credit for learning from its mistakes. "

Well said.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Robin,

You're right, I totally agree. the LDS church is just like thousands of other organizations who hide what they don't want people to know.

I guess I just expected the response would be a little different from a group who continually tells us non-believers they are the only true church on earth, have the only person who speaks for God on earth, the only church who can do baptisms how God wants them done....

It just seems inconsistent you now want to take the "we're just like everyone else" path. That's not the approach when you're teaching someone about your church now is it?

mhenshaw
Leesburg, VA

>.It just seems inconsistent you now want to take the "we're just like everyone else" path.

You're conflating the medium with the message.

We Mormons are very definitely not "just like everyone else"--no argument there. But there's nothing wrong with trying to use best communication practices to show non-Mormons that there is common ground. Focusing on common interests and beliefs is the first step towards a civilized, respectful discussion about our differences. We want to be good neighbors who foster a more peaceful society.

But we aren't hiding anything. There's no hidden agenda here. Our past is out there for people to see and the Church is releasing more historical records, not less, including ones that address controversial subjects. But there are many hostile critics determined to paint us in the worst light possible. So no one should begrudge us the right to offer our own point-of-view about our past, to discuss the progress we've made, and our efforts not to repeat our mistakes.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

mhenshaw - I absolutely agree the LDS church should be able to defend its viewpoints from those who attack the church. And I don't think anyone argued about communication practices or finding common interests. But those can be done while still being 100% open about everything, so I don't see your point there. No suggested you shouldn't find common interests. We're just suggesting you don't hide or only give partial truths.

I've long suggested some sort of official LDS forum where anyone(anti-lds, investigators, lds members) can go pose questions/comments about ANYTHING about the church can then provide responses. And NO, such thing does not exist.

Currently all we have is anti-lds sites that cherry pick information to discredit the church and then LDS websites that cherry pick every bit as much mainly the information and data that supports what they want others to believe.

combblai
POCATELLO, ID

Chris B,

Here are just a couple of good sources:

https://www.lds.org/topics

http://www.fairmormon.org

The first is provided by the church and includes articles on Race and the priesthood, Plural Marriage and Families in Early Utah, Becoming like God, Book of Mormon and DNA Studies, Book of Mormon Translation, First Vision Accounts, among many others. These articles provide authoritative, historically accurate accounts on challenging subjects. I suggest you view the video under the link "What about historical questions" to understand how and why these article were assembled.

The second is maintained by church scholars to help provide answers to difficult questions. And yes, you can submit any question.

Good luck with your search.

mhenshaw
Leesburg, VA

>>I've long suggested some sort of official LDS forum where anyone(anti-lds, investigators, lds members) can go pose questions/comments about ANYTHING about the church can then provide responses. And NO, such thing does not exist.

What makes you think that anti-Mormon critics would accept any answers Church leaders might post to such a forum as being honest and truthful?

Answer: they won't. History has demonstrated clearly that critics will rejects as a half-truth, cover-up, lie, distortion, etc any answer the Church might give that isn't self-flagellating and in total agreement with their negative (if not outright hateful) views. So any such Church-approved forum would quickly become a platform for anti-Mormons to attack the Church on their own website; and any effort by the Church to keep offensive, hateful comments off the forum would be denounced as self-serving censorship and cover-up.

Show the Church a way that it could keep its hostile critics from hijacking an official Q&A forum and maybe they'll consider your suggestion.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments