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Published: Saturday, March 8 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

This may be the most thoughtful editorial I've ever read in the Deseret News!

Thank you.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

If you want to make sure politicians aren't doing it for the wrong reason then just don't sell the land. I suspect that suddenly there is no interest in the project.

Lolly
Lehi, UT

This may be the most thoughtful editorial I've ever read in the Deseret News! (Ditto.) The order of importance to those who "live" there and those who seek to help them is most important not the real estate.

Thank You.

Andyrewjohn
Salt Lake City, UT

The problem with reforming the prison system lies within reforming the characters and personalities of the people in the prison.
Nobody seems to understand rehabilitation of a persons character or personality. People don't accept change unless they are genuinely inspired and encouraged to do so. Modern prisons are no place for inspiration or encouragement.

These people are generally without family, without loving parents and without any sort of stable life outside of prison due to the type of character they have developed.

The current social environment in the prisons will rarely if ever sustain any sort of rehabilitation.
What we need is an organizational change in how prisons are operated. We need people to inspire and encourage these people to change their characters at their own will and not because others can use force against them.

Essentially you'd have to create a society within the prisons so that these inmates would not be left to create in prison gangs and groups.

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

A great editorial! A prison is unsightly but a necessary part of society. Any decision to move the prison needs to be made with careful thought and good arguments to make the case. Don't be afraid to leave it where it is at if after all the study thats the most frugal option, close to volunteers option, close to family support option, less impact on the employees option, save money on transport to court and medical option etc. Yes Draper would look better without a prison and there is a lot of money to be made by developers but there is also a large expense to move the prison as well as a multitude of other costs financial and otherwise that are harder to quantify but no less real. It may make sense some day but is now the time? Lets take this slow and lets see the figures before we dive head first.

McMurphy
St George, Utah

DN -- how about commissioning a poll to find out how the citizens and taxpayers of the state feel about the prison move and the rush by the legislature to make it happen ??

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I agree that public safety and inmate rehabilitation are the top priorities. But I think you can insure public safety if the prison is in Draper or somewhere else. And you can rehabilitate the inmates whether the prison is in Draper or somewhere else.

Current volunteers may refuse to go to the new prison. That could happen, but I suspect they will keep volunteering, or we will find new volunteers from Tooele and other towns closer to the new site.

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RE: "If the prison is moved, the state should have a say in the eventual uses of that land with an eye toward appropriate public purposes"...

Once the State sells the land... they have no more say in it than if they had never owned it. After we sell the land to private developers, they own it, and can develop it the way they want (that fits the zoning for that area). The State can control how that area is zoned.... but they are no longer the owner.

The State can only dictate how the land is used if they retain ownership and play developer. But being a landlord is not the role of Government (IMO).

ThornBirds
St.George, Utah

Sadly, history has been cemented.
Will the public, again, be the loser?
Utah citizens have seen this before. And, this scenario will continue to happen again as long as the wealthy and powerful have the upper hand.
Lots of attractive possibilities concerning this project have been put out in the media.
However, the truth is omitted.
A massive amount of money will go to those who are in real estate and construction businesses. Certain corporations and companies who have gotten in "early" will participate in the large profits.
Unfortunately, loads of problems that were never discussed with the public prior to the development, and excess costs will be the legacy for the taxpayers and those working at, and housed at the new facility.
Word is, the next expansive project in the State of Utah will be the housing and business development of the old Geneva Steel Plant property in Orem, Utah County.
Now who wouldn't be excited to live there! Right?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

RE: "If you want to make sure politicians aren't doing it for the wrong reason then just don't sell the land".

You are willing to cut of your own nose to spite your face.

If you can illustrate how a legislator would benefit from this deal... bring it. Otherwise shut it.

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I don't understand how selling the land would benefit any legislator, but I can show many ways selling the land would benefit us (Utah Tax Payers). Here's one...

- IF we don't sell... who gets to pay 100% of the cost of the new land? (Hint... Utah Tax Payers).

- IF we sell the land... who gets to pay the majority of the cost of building the new prison (Hint.. the developer who buys the land).

That's right. IF we sell the land, the developer who enters the winning bid will pay the State a ton of money (which will be used to pay for new construction).

IF we don't sell... State gets nothing... so guess who gets to pay 100% of this huge land and construction bill???

When you move... don't you sell the old house and land to help buy the new house??

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Or a least put it where the next promotor wants to put a mall.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If we can't sell the land... and have to fund 100% of the new construction with new bonds and taxes... of course that makes it a less viable proposal.

Who wants to propose new taxes or huge bonds we will be paying off next generation to do it? Of course that makes it's a tougher proposal.

When are people going to consider economic reality, instead of their conspiracies and innuendos they can't prove?

If you can't sell the old facility to offset the cost of the new facility... it becomes economically unfeasible.

But you can pretend it's just because a legislator won't make enough money on the deal if you want. But opening your eyes to economic realities may help dispel some of the boogey man "the legislature's going to make money off this"... innuendos.

Nobody no the hill wants to propose new taxes to do this. We are already taxed enough.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Why are we doing this at all? Better to not spend that money. Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without.

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