The Book of Mormon is a great book. I am grateful for its teachings. It has made
my life bearable. When I read it, I feel spiritual strength to make powerful
changes in my life, because I come to better understand what God did for me. I
come to know in a much more personal way how I fit into this vast universe, and
the purpose of the Savior Jesus Christ in this existence. I wish I had taken it
more serious when I was younger. A lot of the troubles of my youth would've
been much more manageable, but for now, all I can do is be grateful for the
grace and insights that come from knowing that God loves us, and gives us many
chances to repent and make the most of our time on earth, and that He continues
to speak through prophets and provides direction and insight for our day. I
suggest rather than laugh at the book, read it, ponder it, and pray to receive a
witness that God cares about you.
I'm not going to see it. I might if if weren't so vulgar. Not saying
the play is a bad thing. Didn't a leader in the church once say "you
cant kick the church anywhere but up the stairs" or something like that.
Looks like the church is taking advantage of it to spread the message of the
Book of Mormon. My nephew who is not Mormon was talking about it and probably
wouldn't have thought twice about the Book of Mormon had he not seen clips
from the internet of this.
Appreciate "Utes Fan" sharing the REAL story of what is happening in the
great countries in Africa!Brigham Young once stated that anytime you
"kick Mormonism, you kick it upstairs". This vulgar, offensive musical
provides opportunities to clarify, testify and allow truth to be shared. The
Church's response is a class act."Calumny (deliberate
slander) may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldy, nobly and
independent..." Bring it on. I love living in the time when we
are watching the fulfillment of these prophetic words.
@Jeanie...Those that have lived outside of Planet Utah (not just for 2 years)
understand very well what I am saying. Unfortunately, I'm most certain my
honesty and true feelings would not make it past D.N. monitors. Let's see
if they allow even this retort?
I have an LDS friend from Idaho who saw the show in NY and thought it was very
good theater.I have African LDS friends in Southern California who
are offended by the show's portrayal of Africans.I have
non-member friends who have approached me about the real Book of Mormon because
of the show. They usually ask me if I'm going to see it, and when I tell
them why not, it leads to many good, fruitful discussions. It is a phenomenon
that has long been documented that even negative publicity about the
Church--especially large, anti-Mormon attacks--contribute to Church growth more
than detract from it.Personally, I've been satirizing Mormons
for years. I think it's healthy to look at ourselves and laugh. Sometimes
that laughter provokes necessary change.So, why didn't I see it
when it was in Southern California?The show contains graphic
accounts of sexual degradation. It uses the "F" word more than any show
in Broadway history; it includes one song in which that vulgarity is addressed
directly to God (in African). Why would I pay someone to entertain me with such
stenar,You really need to go back and read all the comments.
You're three steps behind. Are you really suggesting there
would be no difference in Americans' attitudes towards a play mocking Islam
as there is towards the Mormon play?And that's just saying here
in the US. Could you imagine a play mocking Islam being put on in the middle
east, just as the Mormon play is coming here to Mormon headquarters?Thanks Mormons for your peaceful and level headed as always approach.
RE:Jasonlivy, “After reading the comments, it's interesting to see
the evidence of various commentor's true colors, not that I had any
doubts.” The Book of Mormon, A Marvelous Work and Wonder. A
Modern Translation, “ Therefore I will take awesome vengeance on these
hypocrites, and make their wisest counselors as fools.” (Is 29:14 LB.)
Or,God denounces the policy of the Wise in Judah seeking an alliance
with Egypt against Assyria. Fulfilled ultimately the Jews reject Jesus, Not the
BoM.Is 29:14.is not a prophecy about the Bom But God will punish
the Jews for spiritual wickedness; He will remove their discernment from their
hearts. Fulfilled in that they rejected Christ
Chris B, the creators of this musical have had satirical episodes about Muslims
and other religions on their show, South Park.
YAY! I can't wait to see it.
After reading the comments, it's interesting to see the evidence of various
commentor's true colors, not that I had any doubts.The fact is
this play mocks what we hold as sacred. Christ spoke out against throwing pearls
before swine. This seems to be just that.
All over London, and frequently broadcasted in news and other media, there are
signs on buses saying "I love (heart) Mormons." Come on folks, look at
the bright side.
I'll be foregoing the pricey out-of-towners and buying local--
Saturday's Voyeur at SLAC was satirizing Utah culture and politics since
Trey Parker was in short pants. Homegrown is better.
@SlopJ30"If you're a dour, scripture-quoting,
prophet-quoting true believer, you now have yet another subject to lecture the
youth on, bear a testimony about, and feel superior to."-------Personally, I am not offended that the play pokes fun at
supposedly naive missionaries, as in the play the native Ugandans are more
concerned about poverty, war, AIDS, etc, and the missionaries are supposedly
naive about this. I have demonstrated in an earlier post that clearly Mormons
are not the naive ones on this. However, the play makes satire about
babies being raped, women having sexual violence against them, genital
mutilation, Jeffrey Dahmer (serial killer and rapist) etc. Even though the LDS
Church leaders have responded appropriately by not responding, that hardly means
we should condone the toilet bowl humor this play displays. No
This is a win-win-win. If you've alway wanted to see the play but
didn't want to travel to NYC to see it, you win. If you're
an LDS chuch member who is willing to accept and find humor in the fact that
outsiders may find your doctrines, history and culture to be absurd, this is an
easy opportunity to laugh about it.If you're a dour,
scripture-quoting, prophet-quoting true believer, you now have yet another
subject to lecture the youth on, bear a testimony about, and feel superior
I'll say it again. Whether or not you choose to go see the play, you
don't have to fear it. The Church has elected to buy ad space in
their programs. I think that the leaders are able to see the big picture. I, for one, am glad that a couple of non-members decided to write a
musical about the Book of Mormon. I have faith that God's work can happen
in even the oddest places. But then Jesus was never afraid to hang out with
"those who need a physician."
RE:iron&clay, From the Book of Mormon, “ And lo, he shall suffer
temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man
can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore,
so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his
people.”(Mosiah 3:7), Not the Bible.Because many early and
better Greek mss and diverse and widespread witnesses exclude (Luke 22:43-44).
Footnotes in (NIV,NKJV,ESV). Added in the 5th century.JS was unaware
For the record. I'm not outraged. I'm not offended. I'm not
surprised. I'm not even complaining.But I believe in seeking
things which are "virtuous, lovely, or of good report or
praiseworthy".Likewise, I believe it is usually best to avoid things
which are not.It seems more like the one's accusing people of
being overly sensitive... are the real one's being overly sensitive. Now
@ ironmania - "I plan to take our Mia Maids and teachers for a combined
youth activity to go see this when it comes to San Diego in a few months. Should
be a great faith-building mutual night."ironmania - I sure hope you're kidding. If not, if you were my
kid's leader, I'd A) talk to you one on one about why this is a bad
idea. No one, repeat, no one "has to" eat garbage to know that eating
garbage will make them sick B) if that didn't work, I'd keep my kid
home home from Mutual that night. C) if you ended up taking other peoples'
children to this play in the capcity of a Young Men's/Women's leader,
I'd talk to the Bishop of the ward and ask to have you immediately removed
from your calling. Why? Because if anyone consciously damaged the very
teenagers they have taken a covenant to help strengthen and lift, they have
proven they are incapable of lifting/strengthening others because, spiritually
speaking, they cannot even take care of themselves. You can't share what
you don't have.
Prediction:Some LDS members will go and see the play and allow it,
and subsequent searching of things OTHER than in the Book of Mormon itself, to
weaken their testimony and even leave the LDS church.So be it.Others will see it and become converted to the LDS faith as they begin
to honestly seek God in their lives and will come to see for themselves that the
Book of Mormon is indeed the very word of God.In terms of how the
LDS church has responded to this offensive play, the following quote comes to
mind:"The ability to turn everything into something good appears
to be a godly characteristic. Our Heavenly Father always seems able to do this.
Everything, no matter how dire, becomes a victory to the Lord. Joseph,
although a slave and wholly undeserving of this fate, nevertheless remained
faithful to the Lord and continued to live the commandments and made something
very good of his degrading circumstances. People like this CANNOT be
defeated," - Harmann Rector, Jr.Keep the faith!
I will go "The Quran, the Musial." I can't wait for that one.
Why would anyone, who does not swear or associate with the foul mouthed want to
pay hard earned money to see and hear a play that is exceptionally vulgar, vile,
mocking and demeaning? Surely higher personal values prevail?
@ Utefan4LyfYou wrote: "Actually the play is very good and the
music is amazing."No, Utefan4, the play is NOT "good"
and the music is NOT "amazing." "Good" and "amazing"
include Shakespeare plays, anything by Rodgers and Hammerstein, Beethoven,
Mozart and Tchaikovsky symphonies, Bach cantatas, Art Tatum, Izhak Perlman,
Puccini operas, etc. Here's a guide from the promoter of the
play's source material: "If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of
good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things."
>>When they sing, "this book will change your life," and all the
missionary actors hold genuine copies of the Book for Mormon high, I get
chills.While I appreciate my fellow members' optimism, saying
"yes, it has vulgar moments but it has really good moments too" is like
saying that it's okay to sit in mud because there are a few pretty rocks
amid the filth. I prefer not to spend a few hundred dollars -- which goes into
the pockets of people who mock the gospel I hold dear -- and subject myself to a
river of vulgarity in the hope that I might find a few good moments in my
evening entertainment. There are better, more spiritually uplifting things on
which I can spend my time and money.Remember: "...that which
doth not edify is not of God, and is darkness."
I won't be seeing the play. If I want to hear vulgar talk and unlimited
profanity I can just go to work.
I disagree with the naysayers on this musical. Have any of you
watched/listened to the songs on the internet? Great music and I, for one,
think that you can't speak truth, even in jest, without it having an
impact. When they sing, "this book will change your life,"
and all the missionary actors hold genuine copies of the Book for Mormon high, I
get chills.Imagine, copies of scripture being used as stage props.
The Lord indeed works in strange and mighty ways His wonders to perform...even
if that "performance" is a bit different than we expect. Several of our non-member friends have seen this and they love it, asking
questions afterward.What's more, since musical songs frequently
make their way into public school music competitions, it won't be long
before kids all over America will be singing about the Book of Mormon.I have faith in God's plan and no doubt that all of this will help to
"hasten the work."
Maybe some Grandma will buy out all the tickets and leave the house empty for
the entire run.:-)
I'm wondering if this play has helped or hurt the church more. I'm
I am not going to see it, but to Carman and others....lighten up.
There are so many former members and members who attend but don't really
believe that I would not be suprised if they extend it several days. You can
rest assured It will do very well in SLC...
I also agree with SAMom. "The book is always better!!"I have read the book and seen the play. I got a much bigger laugh from
the book than I did the play. Although the play was really funny too.
I am surprised that members of the church would go see such a thing. When I was
young I learned the articles of faith and my favorite one was #13. "If there
is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after
these things." Are members above following their own religious commitments?
I would hope your money would be used to support a missionary, clothe the naked
and feed the hungry. We must be found in Holy Places (as we teach the youth of
the church). I don't know how I could ever tell my children that the
promises I made at baptism didn't matter when I wanted to see or listen to
something that was not in keeping with the covenants I had made. Being two faced
about the gospel is something they wouldn't understand.
Hmmm, Magic Arts and Entertainment may bring in some revenue on
performance night, but I wonder how many LDS patrons are rethinking future
attendance. Not a very wise marketing idea.Watch future patrons
It's a play, people. If you want to see it, buy a ticket and enjoy. If
you don't want to see it, then don't buy a ticket. Pretty simple.
Why the hand-wringing and histrionics?
blue angel: the creatures glorified murders, sex with animals and flipping of
GOD.You are absolutely right, the play has too many adverse critics
to be acceptable to good people. You people who want your youth to see it need
council from your Preisthood Advisors in the worst way. To expoose your minds to
such filth and abuse of your religion will bring sadness to yourt souls forever.
Try to erase it once youy let it in. Think twice and pray about a rash decision
like this. Are you on Gods left or right side in the Kingdom. There is going to
be a separation you know. Read Psalm 50: v 2-6 and pray about it.
I was going to try to see this in New York. It will be more convenient when it
Jimmythliberal,So, what exactly at are you trying to say? Living in
Salt Lake City is hysterical and you're excited to be here? And not sure
what Chris B. "tried"......I hope those who love this
musical can enjoy the run here in Utah. And those that constantly speak about
how Mormons are intolerant can have at least one counter example of that idea.
I'm looking forward to it!
i won't see it. Why endorse something that mocks others beliefs and is
Just another reflection amongst the entertainment industry of how degenerate our
society is becoming
Absolutely hysterical. Can't wait to see. Even better. Try living in Salt
Lake City. Nice try Mr. Chris B!
Breakfast of Champions,If you knew the details of the episode
you're trying to teach me about, you'd know all about the story in the
New York Times I reference here right?New York TimesAfter
Warning, South Park Episode is AlteredApril 22, 2010You may
try and say "it was still offensive to muslims" but why was there a need
to "alter" it in the first place?Can't they take a joke
just like Mormons are told to take a joke?If you knew anything
you'd know all about this right? After all, you're the one who told
me "if you know anything"I'm just glad the Mormons have
been 100% peaceful and non-violent in their opposition to this musical, month
after month after month after month of it being performed.Thanks
Mormons - you are a great example to many
Gosh, anti-mormons allowed to do this play in Salt Lake.
@Utes Fan"Spend $200 on a show that mocks the Mormon faith in
Africa. Laugh hysterically about those "naive" Mormons.Meanwhile...In the past seven years, more than four million Africans in
17 countries have gained access to clean drinking water through Mormon
humanitarian efforts to sink or rehabilitate boreholes."------------Agreed. Who is really naive?@LDSareChristians"$200 really? People spent that much for R rated
trash? Now I have to laugh at them....."-------------I
don't know what the prices in Salt Lake will be, but I just checked the
broadway ticket prices on their web site. Here are the astounding prices:OrchestraFace Value: $169.00 Fees: $59.15$228.15MezzanineFace Value: $169.00 Fees: $59.15$228.15Mid
Premium (Mezzanine)Face Value: $252.00 Fees: $88.20$340.20Mid Premium (Orchestra)Face Value: $252.00 Fees: $88.20$340.20PremiumFace Value: $352.00 Fees: $123.20$475.20 I would bet that the money from this play over the years could have brought
tens of thousands of impoverished Africans all kinds of help. And many will come
back from the play complaining about LD$ Inc. Yea, we LDS are naive
In a bizarre way none of us saw coming, President Benson was spot-on said in the
October, 1988 conference, "The time is long overdue for a massive flooding
of the earth with the Book of Mormon for the many reasons which the Lord has
given. In this age of the electronic media and the mass distribution of the
printed word, God will hold us accountable." He was right. By
small and simple things are great things accomplished. There is no such thing as
It was just here in Durham…. neighbors went - invited us be we had other
obligations. They said the language was rough in parts, but that the depiction
of the missionaries was never crude, had them do anything they would not expect
to see LDS missionaries say or do…. overall a positive towards
missionaries. They are non-lds, and came away feeling good about their
neighbors faith…So who knows….. if you haven't
seen it…. I would probably reframe from criticizing what you
don't' know. I know for some that is a very challenging task.
I have been a lifelong patron of Capitol Theatre...They just lost my
ChrisB posted: However, I do dislike the double standard that it seems ok to
laugh at the Mormons and yet these same people wouldnt think of doing a similar
satire on the Quran and the Muslims.===============Even more so,
would such have the guts to perform at Islamic Headquarters? Ironmania posted: I plan to take our Mia Maids and teachers for a combined
youth activity to go see this when it comes to San Diego in a few months. Should
be a great faith-building mutual night.================================I hope not, it's an R rated production. Utes Fan posted:
Spend $200 on a show that mocks the Mormon faith in Africa. Laugh hysterically
about those "naive" Mormons.=========================$200
really? People spent that much for R rated trash? Now I have to laugh at
Actually Chris B, if you knew anything about Matt Parker and Trey Stone then you
would know that they agree with you and tried to make that same point on their
show South Park back in 2010 when they satirized issues about depicting
Muhammad. I for one am undecided about if I want to see the show or
not. I enjoy a good laugh (especially when it's at my own expense), but
when it comes to things that are as personal to people as religion can be,
something just doesn't feel quite right. That goes for all religions, not
Hooray! Love it! I saw it in the Big Apple and can't wait to see it again!
I agree with Chris B... "The Quran, Muhammed's Musical" would
jpc53,Of course a satire about muslims wouldnt sell, because making
fun of Muslims isn't PC. Thanks for helping prove my point.There is nothing inherently funny about the Mormons that you couldnt find
equally funny things about a great number of religions, including Islam.If you aren't aware of the countless quirks of Islam that could be
included in a satirical play, go read up.Thanks again for helping
prove my point!
I saw this play on broadway thinking it would be okay -- boy was I wrong!!!
this was one of the worst plays I have EVER seen... It wasn't because of
the Mormon teasing, or language... it was more of the fact that the creatures
glorified murders, sex with animals and flipping of GOD... don't go to
this play... HORRIBLE PLAY. What made me even more sick was that we as a
society think this is ok and funny...
For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not
so,...righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither
holiness or misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a
compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body, it must remain as dead,
having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor
misery, neither sense nor insensibility.**From the Book of Mormon...
THE book not the play.
Spend $200 on a show that mocks the Mormon faith in Africa. Laugh hysterically
about those "naive" Mormons.Meanwhile...In the
past seven years, more than four million Africans in 17 countries have gained
access to clean drinking water through Mormon humanitarian efforts to sink or
rehabilitate boreholes.More than 34,000 physically handicapped
African kids now have wheelchairs through the same Mormon-sponsored humanitarian
program. More than 126,000 Africans have had their sight restored or
improved through Mormon partnership with African eye care professionals.During the flooding in Africa, the Church provided clothing, quilts and
hygiene items to 20,000 people in six inundated regions of the country.Another 52,000 Africans have been trained to help newborns who otherwise would
never take a first breath. Training in neonatal resuscitation has also been a
big project for Mormons in Africa.
Wookie, if only it was just laughing at yourself. It is Vulgarity on steroids.
Really, I would avoid it if you are LDS not just because of the ridicule of
sacred things, but to avoid such vulgar language and innuendo. I love LDS
comedy, I can totally laugh at myself but this is not that.
I plan to take our Mia Maids and teachers for a combined youth activity to go
see this when it comes to San Diego in a few months. Should be a great
faith-building mutual night.
The entire 'baptize me' number is just outright lewd. I invite anyone
to look it up on YouTube and see if they still think this musical is simply a
delightful comedy that's perfectly acceptable. One can wink and smile, and
say it is all in good fun, but frankly it should be viewed as an affront to any
Christian who truly believes in their heart what they say out of their mouth.It is healthy to laugh at the idiosyncrasies of one's own culture
and community, whether you are a Minnesota Lutheran, or a Southern Baptist. But
if one truly is devout in their faith, they should re-think laughing at someone
else's profane and lewd interpretation of it.
To all of those that have responded chill out. This is a satire and if we
can't laugh at ourselves then we have no right to laugh at anyone else. Of
course it could mean that those that are against it are not that comfortable in
their faith.As for @Chris B, I don't think a musical about the
Muslims would sell which is why you won't be seeing one in the near future.
I saw the musical -- as a Mormon. Sure, it is vulgar at times. Sure, it
ridicules things we hold dear. But it also depicts things we can well relate too
and should reflect on: naive missionaries facing another world, the harshness of
people's misery in some regions, and a fiercely funny critique of some or
our trivial obsessions.We need to look at the positive sides too.
One, the musical gave an enormous boost to Mormon visibility. Second,
ironically, one must be taken serious to deserve such attention. Third, above
all, it gave the Church an incredible chance to show its wisdom, tolerance, and
good humor. No protests, but kind and witty responses. With full-page ads in the
musical's program. "The book is always better than the show."
Congrats to the genius of our PR.
I am not aware of what this is about but I plan on going. I can laugh at
myself, which has proven to be often and needed. Having a sense of humor and
not taking things personally is healthy and advised.Go LDS!!
Actually the play is very good and the music is amazing. That being said, the
play is a constant barrage of comments about the Mormon religion; however, the
overall theme of the play is one in which all LDS people should appreciate.
It's about following your faith despite doubts and bad situations, to
become a stronger person. Now, do I think everybody should go and see it?
Absolutely not. It's vulgar and sarcastic. But it is truly hilarious.
I agree with SAMom...... Except for Jurassic Park. I thought that
had a much better movie.
If the municipal court in Nauvoo could declare the Nauvoo Expositor a public
nuisance, can't this play be discouraged? Of course not ... the best
response is to ignore it. I can only assume that the production will lose money
at this venue. Must have some pretty good music to merit a Tony award.
The young men who wrote this play probably have no idea that they were being
used by an evil power to create something that attempts to inflict embarrassment
and pain on God's church. We ought to forgive them and turn the other
cheek.This attack on God will meet the same demise as all of the
others that have come over the centuries. It has risen up and is popular, but it
will, as all evil eventually does, fall into the vast emptiness of anonymity.
Since the Church is buying space in the playbill, maybe I'll go see it
after all. I often enjoy productions sponsored by the Church.
I can't wait not to see it!
I'm not even Mormon, and although I'm perfectly fine with productions
that make fun of religions(and yes, this musical makes fun of the mormon faith),
I'm just tired of the double standard. Can you imagine them doing such a
production on the Quran? When do you think we can anticipate that
musical?And I wonder if the response will be the same as it has been
from the Mormons(disappointment and opposition but always peaceful and not
agressive)?Thanks Mormons for being calm and peaceful in your
opposition to such things.I look forward to seeing the production
and future productions in the future of other religions(ya right).
I will likely see this.However, I do dislike the double standard
that it seems ok to laugh at the Mormons and yet these same people wouldnt think
of doing a similar satire on the Quran and the Muslims.And I'm
not even Mormon!I am very appreciate and impressed with the Mormons
response to this production. Its clear many mormons dont like the idea of the
production and putting sacred things to them in a comical play, but Mormons
express their displeasure very calmly and politely.Thanks Mormons
for your response to this. Hopefully this hypocritical double standard will go
away some day
The book is always better!
A waste of our national resources...We would be better off if the
people involved were making hamburgers at the local fast food restaurant. This
not only doesn't add value, it is a net negative.
Can't wait to see it.