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Published: Friday, March 7 2014 10:45 a.m. MST

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Testimony
Philadelphia, PA

To Avenue, who said, "... the Devil is very cunning,"

Why is it that some people spend so much more time thinking about, praising the abilities of, and living in fear and awe of "the Devil" than they do of the all-powerful and loving God at the center of their religion? Exactly who are you worshiping, anyway?

God loves us, who are ALL made by Him, male and female, in His image (Gen 1:27). The Bible tells us that we are all equal, and time and again tells us to treat each other as such. It tells us time and again that God loves us, that God gives us the gift of love to love each other and wants us to use it.

I don't accept that there is a Devil. All the evil done in this world is done by people. If there is an afterlife, and if we are to be judged there, how are you going to explain that you believed in some non-existent uber-demon and structured your life around that, rather than trusting the Lord, loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself?

Avenue
Vernal, UT

@ Testimony
The devil does exist. He is the opposition to God and all He stands for. Everything has to have opposition. If the devil did not exist, no evil would be present on this earth. The people who do evil things are tempted by Lucifer, and they give in to those temptations.

I believe that God loves us, even though he knows that everyone will sin. God has declared that certain things are sinful, and his standards will never change.

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
(Leviticus 20:13)

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

@Avenue: Ah... Leviticus! There are 21 Abominations in that Book. Everything from that nice bowl of clam chowder, to your 7-Grain bread, to your comfort-blend shirt, to your backyard vegetable garden.

The ancient Israelites brought all their meat animals to the Temple for ritual sacrifice. The priests got a "cut" for their services, the animals' spirits were returned to God, and the farmer got the rest. (That part, and most of the rest of Leviticus, was mooted with the destruction of the First Temple. Rabbinic Judaism replaced animal sacrifice and Levite Priests with study and prayer.)

But, do you know which is its first Abomination? (Hint: Lev 7.) It's the eating of meat from an animal killed before yesterday ("... on the third day ..."). Absolutely none of your meat meets that today. Those canned goods of yours are an Abomination. So is all the "fresh" meat in the supermarket, and all the coldcuts, even kosher salami.

Now, back to your citation, and that most important word, "also." Therefore, a man who NOT "lieth with women," but mankind exclusively, has committed no abomination. Being lesbian's okay, too, apparently.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Why is it that people want to say that gay issues go contrary to religous freedom? Over and over they say this!. My being gay and getting married does not take away any Christian's religious freedom! In fact, if you look at the truth, it is the Christians who go against religious freedom! They can not get into their heads that religious freedom includes gay people! Hello, I know you people want to dismiss us as if we don't have any value, but we do and we have a religous freedom to live according to our faith and our faith does not include the derogatory beliefs that many Christians have! This is the root of the entire problem! These Christians want their freedoms and they want to ignore any freedom that gay people have a right to! If your religion is one that tells you that you can walk all over me, then you better believe I will oppose whatever part of it discriminates against me! It isn't hard to understand that it works both ways! People want to do something based upon their hateful beliefs and they justify it by claiming it comes from God!

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

As a Christian I don't believe Satan has special rights, especially in the name of religious freedom.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

I do know it is getting better. If people could just understand that gay people have religious beliefs also. I was Mormon. People at Church outed me long before I ever dealt with it myself. I had divorced and somebody close to me started a rumor and from then on everything changed! Nobody bothered to find out what the truth was! I immediately felt cut off! When I spoke about my belief, they simply wouldn't say anything. How can I explain it? It feels like they, in their minds, have taken you out of the church and they no longer find anything you say about God as being valid! I am not saying that people do it on purpose. It happens with my own family.
It is so wrong! I have never given up my beliefs in God! I have had to change some of them, but my beliefs in God still matter! What a shame that so many people turn the other way. You know, it took me another ten years to come out! I never really got over what happened! Some things are wrong! It isn't right to just dismiss us like that!

SuziQ
Springville, UT

@nycut
I didn't say that a heterosexual couple would be able to produce children or have to produce children in order to have a valid marriage nor do they need to love each other. I said they have the biological capacity to do so since they are of opposite genders. Up until the advent of birth control, the possibility of having children was definitely part of marriage. Children born out of wedlock, back in the dark ages, were even considered illegitimate and had no claim legally on their father's property or name. Putting the possibility of children aside, I am pretty sure we allow all the other rights to be designated legally in our day and age. I even think civil unions would help protect those who want to formalize their commitment. Just don't change the definition of marriage.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@SuziQ;

They don't "have the capacity" if they're infertile.

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