Published: Friday, March 7 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
You do not think Boy Scouts of America is expensive? The top CEO of Goverment
makes $400,000 a year,(the Presidentt) the top CEO of Boy Scouts makes $916,000
a year. I'll keep paying my "friends of scouting" donation every
year because I know our poor Bishop needs to fulfill his ward quoata,but their
is cetinly less return on that than the gas taxes I pay at the pump, at least we
see where that money goes, we drive on them.
Adults have blown this into a bigger issue than it is.My son is in
scouting. I have listened to some, not all, of the other parents and their
opposition, (and obvious contempt) for the scouting change and gays in general.
The boys hear this. Their sons hear this. I don't
think that a fathers opinion towards homosexuals has any bearing on whether
their son turns out gay or not. But is would have a huge affect on how their
gay son may handle it.Think about the message that you are sending
to your son, gay or strait.
The BSA does much good in the world, but I think it's a stretch to say that
"no other program or organization has matched the record of the Boy Scouts
in helping boys grow to become responsible men and fathers."I
think that bringing up boys in religious faith has done more. There are also
other organizations like 4-H which serves 6.5 million youth in America alone,
both boys and girls.For my family, scouting was a disappointment.
We were involved, heavily, in a suburban community scouts, and that was probably
the best one, but it was still a shoddy organization. As the mom "who only
stayed home," much of the work was dumped on me. Our oldest son was also in
Church scouts, which was a bad experience in two states. Half-hearted men who
barely functioned as leaders. Not much positive role model there. When we moved to rural Wisconsin we discovered 4-H. A refreshing change and
the whole family participated together. I've been a leader for 25 years
now. A great program for all 6 of our children. The main thing is to work with
kids with what works for them.
In trying to teach boys to be good citizens, you can't condone bigotry
and/or discrimination. Preventing good men and women who are LGBT from
participating in scouthing teaches young men that bigotry AND discrimination are
okay. Good citizens condone neither.Businesses and other
organizations have begun to recognize this and are taking steps to address the
problem. Good for them.
I'm grateful for what scouting has done for me, and continue to support
scouting so far as it's integrated into the young men's activities of
the Church. I am, however, on guard against the scouting program faltering
indecisively on one of -the- most important of the skills it taught me: To be
mentally awake and morally straight, presumably even when it's unpopular.
This they're not so clear-cut on anymore unless the Church is involved.The article is correct in stating that homosexuality has nothing to do
with scouting. What's happening to the Boy Scouts is a result of their own
decision to step into it, rather than ignoring something that doesn't have
anything to do with them.
To progressive liberals this is just another example of undermining religious
teaching and getting those with religious morals to capitulate and bow to the
mob of secularism by cloaking their intolerance behind a mask of supposed
discrimination. No one forces you to donate or be apart of the scouting problem
it is a private organization. What is happening to the scouts is the equivalant
of going to the National Black Caucuss or NAACP and accusing them of being
racists(unfortunatley the latter is more true than the former). Let us not
forget the reason the founder of the Boy scouts started the organization was the
deterioration of moral values noticed in the male youth of his day (Oh what
would he say now?).His purpose was to instill those values and lets face it
largely based on Judeo-Christian morals into young men to inspire them to be
better. If you believe in the scout oath and law as they are written then
I'm sorry Gay leadership or active gay youth are in violation of the values
of being a scout just as any heterosexual man or boy would be if they were
engaging in similar behavior.
I don't think that being a Boy Scout had a darn thing to do with me
becoming a responsible adult. Sure was fun, though.
The logic in this editorial is specious. If it is true, as stated by the
editorial, that "[s]couting itself has nothing to do with issues of sexual
orientation," then why ban gay leaders from scouting? If gay leaders were
not banned, then Disney would not have cut its donation to scouting and this
editorial would have never been written. It appears that BSA's
"political" agenda may be the cause of its misfortune.
Unfortunately, Midwest Mom's comment is too true. Church Scout leadership
is too often a short term calling that doesn't allow leaders to become
properly trained or experienced. Too often, the men called have little or no
interest in the program. I've seen requirements for Scouting advancement
completely ignored and some troops are simply Eagle factories where Eagle awards
are handed out and not earned.Then there was the
"leadership" of the two clowns who were working on their Goblin Toppling
Merit Badges . . . . . Scouting is a terrific program. But it can
only be as good as those who lead its boys.
Ummm...somewhere along the way to earning my Eagle Scout badge I memorized a
passage that said "Morally straight". What do you think that means?
And Ranch, if you don't like what the BSA is founded on, then you are free
to found your own version of scouting. Unfortunately, I know that the gay
agenda isn't interested in founding their own narrative, they are only
interested in changing mine to match theirs. No thanks.
Scounting helps build responsible men, that is why it is under attack from the
left. The left attacks anything that emphasize's men's roles in
society. Why do you think almost every father in a sitcom is shown
as blithering idiot?why does society no longer look down on women
bearing and raising children without a father around, despite the statistically
proven fact such activity leads to higher and higher poverty rates and other
social ills?anything to degrade the role of fathers and men in
society that can be done, will be done.and those who decry those
with religious beliefs that hold homosexual behavior as sinful are only showing
their own intolerance and bigotry.
Scouting was a very positive experience in 3 different troops for our sons who
all achieved Eagle rank. There were dedicated leaders who were skilled and had
been in their callings long enough to know the ropes. Combined with the Duty to
God award, it taught character building. Thanks BSA. When I was young my
experience in a community troop convinced me that Scouting was irrelevant.
Thankfully, my mind was changed.
If they wanted to fix it, it wouldn't take much, would it! They just need
to stop discriminating and allow gay people to be a part of them! They imply
some really bad things by not allowing gay leaders. People are more aware of
things now. It isn't right to make a statement that there is something
wrong with gay people! These religious groups, including Mormons have some
degrading beliefs about gay people and they treat gay people according to these
beliefs. They pretend to care a little, but in the end they insist on
discrimination and they use their power to do nasty things to gay people. Why
shouldn't somebody stand up to the garbage they dish out. Why doesn't
this article talk about why they discriminate towards gays? What is the problem
? Don't pretend not to know! What is done to gay people is morally wrong
and yet the religious hypocrites wont let go of their hate. I think that
standing up to these things is exactly what is needed. We need to show that some
things are no longer acceptable!
TMR said:"The logic in this editorial is specious. If it is
true, as stated by the editorial, that "[s]couting itself has nothing to do
with issues of sexual orientation," then why ban gay leaders from scouting?
If gay leaders were not banned, then Disney would not have cut its donation to
scouting and this editorial would have never been written. It appears that
BSA's "political" agenda may be the cause of its
misfortune."No, the article/editorial isn't specious at
all. Nice deflection though. Again, please tell us what Scouting (e.g.
camping, hiking, earning merit badges, being a good citizen has to do with
sexuality? You and I both know it has nothing to do with scouting.This was nothing more than homosexual/LGBT activists pushing their lifestyle
agenda on our kids, and cloaking it in the tired worn out claim of
"intolerance." Sadly, the BSA caved to this faux outrage. We warned
them that the next step would be the Left's demand for the admission of Gay
Scout Leaders. Again, this is nothing more than an agenda to indoctrinate our
kids into the LGBT lifestyle.
I love the Boy Scout organization. It has had a powerful impact on my life. It
now has a good impact on my own son and I have seen it have great success in the
lives of other boys. It is the best organization I know of for helping boys
become responsible men. So sad to see it under attack. The uproar
over gay scout leaders is interesting. I see it boiling down to this though: As
a heterosexual male, would it be proper for me to take a bunch of teenage girls
on a camping trip, with just one other adult man around? I think most people
(and with good reason) would consider this improper. Even if I am an upstanding
person, etc., it is just a matter of propriety for me to not do that.
Isn't it the exact same scenario for a homosexual man to take a bunch of
teenage boys camping? I see no difference. Perhaps some research would show
otherwise if this were looked into, but until there is something that shows
convincingly otherwise, the BSA should err on the side of protecting boys. The
boys' safety is more important than some political agenda.
Scouting is a wonderful program for young men. I have participated as a leader
more than once in scouting. It enlightens the mind to the different
opportunities we have - the merit badges are truly great educational tools. It
is a program that teaches youth independence skills and gives them an
opportunity to look at different educational pursuits they may be interested in.
It gives them something to focus spare time on when they are preparing to
become Eagles. There are good and bad leaders in all organizations. It would
be up to the parents to know what their children are learning and doing and if
there is a bad leader, do something about it. I learned so much teaching
scouting and don't regret one moment of my service.
Ranch said:"In trying to teach boys to be good citizens, you
can't condone bigotry and/or discrimination. Preventing good men and women
who are LGBT from participating in scouthing teaches young men that bigotry AND
discrimination are okay. Good citizens condone neither."1) The
BSA are a private organization, this means they can set their own rules and
standards. If LGBT activists don't like these standards, they don't
have to join. Ever hear of Freedom of Association? This was the intolerance
and bullying of the LGBT community forcing others to accept their lifestyle.2) Since scouting has nothing to do with sexuality, it is fair to
conclude that this demand by homosexual activists to be able to join the BSA was
nothing more than an agenda to indoctrinate our kids into this deviant
lifestyle.3) The only intolerance and discrimination was that which
the LGBT community perpetrated on the BSA.Very sad the BSA caved to
the mean spirited, intolerant tactics of the LGBT activists.
Good points in the editorial. Scouting, combined with the LDS youth program, was
a huge influence on me as a young man. My favorite experiences were the high
adventure activities where we all learned that we could do hard things and take
care of ourselves.I support the recent BSA membership policy update. The
old policy specifically excluded people who openly deal with SSA. It said:
"We do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed
homosexuals."That policy needlessly excluded and stigmatized people
who deal with SSA. The new policy allows all boys to be members regardless of
their stated sexual orientation as long as they live the Scout Oath and Scout
Law. This is similar to the BYU honor code change in 2007. Previous to
2007 it ambiguously said "any behaviors that indicate homosexual conduct,
including those not sexual in nature, are inappropriate and violate the Honor
Code."In 2007 it was changed to: "One's stated sexual
orientation is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all
members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law
Boy Scouts is not about sex. It's not about your sexual orientation.
It's not about the LGBT agenda. Why is that all some people can talk
about?Scouting is about boys learning how to be responsible.
Experience being a patrol leader. And learning some new skills. It has
nothing to do with sex. So let's not try to make it all about sex.Scouting is about so much important stuff... I wish we could get past
the LGBT complaints and talk about what it's really about.
The Boy Scouts have mostly seen a response from 3 groups...1 -
Agreeable Christians who welcome others, but not behaviors.2 -
Disagreeable Christians who simply started their own system.3 -
Disagreeable SSM-proponents who have bullied the BSA.Only the first
two are peaceful and respect the nature of freedom. Those who fight other's
right to peaceably assemble and believe what they will... and the companies that
support them are doing the same thing. Whether their incentive is hatred,
ignorance, or profit, it will never stand the test of time. Marriage is eternal.
Freedom (as correctly understood) is eternal. Long after the faulty desires of
men have fallen into chaos, there is one work that will continue on.You'll never stop people from procreating. You'll convince millions
not to, and millions more to hate the people you hate. But billions and billions
understand their design, their potential, and the love that families bring. No
person or social movement can stay the hand of God.The real question
is why would you ever want to resist the one person who will always love you,
and who continually extends His mercy and help.
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