I can see that there are among these masses a contingent that failed to
recognize the Golden Bears finishing lower than the Utes.... They only got one
victory all season and I'm fairly certain that it wasn't against in
conference foes... So, the 'we' Chris was referring to was in fact as
it always is and his 2013 10th place Pac-12 Utes.... (Both Colorado and
California finished the season with worse records) Tis okay... It is
fun to see the oh my shining bright from fellow cougar fans. Will either BYU and
or Utah both stand up and show some heart this season and finish 75 percent
victorious! Yes, tis the usual spring practice over excitement that by
September's end is the resulting heartache for our teams... Neither BYU nor
Utah have any excuse to finish less than 10-2 this season... There is heart in
both camps that should equate lots of great headlines in Utah papers and online
forums! Just for the love of Saint Pete go out and beat your opponents!
I'm sorry people, but I find fighting amongst the troops and the coaches
being excited about it a little disturbing. Would we turn that on another team
and start fighting on the field? Would that be ok? I think it's stupid
frankly, and especially to tell our young future guys that it's ok to come
to camp with a chip on your shoulder and take it out on the guy you're
supposed to be working with to win games. Intensity is one thing but unbridled
fighting? To show or do what? Hitting is one thing, but "hitting"? I
don't think it shows our best side or accomplishes our purposes out there.
Let's play fair, play ball, not act like thugs. I know, I wasn't
there, but from what I've read, it doesn't impress me as a loyal fan.
"Practice fights elicit smiles and excitement from Cougar coaches"What a joke. Fighting in practice was a sure way to have the entire
team running poles when I played. My head coach was old school, but brilliant
that way. You win as a team, you lose as a team. Most importantly the
chemistry has to be established from the get-go. Multiple fights in early
spring practices do not indicate unity. Yet, here are the band of brothers
horsing around, and their leaders condoning the childish behavior. Classy,
cougs, classy. By all means, keep smiling and promoting this pathetic
behavior.I guess this is what gets a team going when they know
they'll be facing a daunting home schedule featuring Utah State as their
most formidable opponent. Zipadedooda...
What are the odds this be the subject of a new t-shirt slogan in Provo?
I totally disagree with the idea that fighting is a good sign. Losing your
temper and getting into fights is for losers. It's usually a lack of
discipline and focus.
Not clear to me why this is something to be proud of. Remind me how BYU's
football team furthers the mission of the university and the church that owns
Yes RG - we would and when we got there we would all be bored and start a
Please define a "big fight". How many players were injured? Who needed
medical attention? How many went to the hospital? How many bones were broken?Two players were asked to leave....big deal. Sounds like real pansy stuff to
Wow BY is excited because their players get in a fight. Not quite the image the
Brethren probably want to project. As for the U being a bottom dweller, they
could always move to the JV circuit as BYU has done in football and basketball.
Maybe BYU should add Timpview and Provo High to their schedule to remain bowl
In remember the titans, the coaches let the players fight to see if they could
"work it out". Next we'll hear the chants of "Strong
Side!!!...Left Side!!!"Maybe warmups will be a little different
If we all had the same type of passion for loving our neighbor, spreading the
gospel, and getting educated in things both spiritual and temporal as we seem to
have about football, we would be translated like the City of Enoch.
Utah was in 11 of the 12 games they played last year and they were competitive
despite losing their QB. BYU fans can sure dish out the "dwellers of the
Pac-12" phrase over and over, but do they understand what it is like to be
Utah and play 10-11 BCS teams every year, in an actual conference. BYU has never
played that many and would surely struggle if they did. BYU does not know what
it is like to have every game mean so much and to have to play with 100%
intensity every down all season long. The season is fun playing all BCS schools
and is better than playing 8 games against just pitiful competition. BYU's
most recent bowl game was against a type of team that the Utes play all season
long, every week, every play. I'd take 11 games of worthy opponents versus,
one bowl game. The bowl games that Utah can qualify for are worlds apart from
the bowls that byu is still trying to line up, pre-Christmas bowl games are sad
bowl games. Utah will bowl this year, every week. Just maybe, they will get an
extra game at seasons end.
The most positive take away from a preseason practice is that the offensive line
is "passionate"? Any bozo can pick a fight. Discipline (not passion) is
what wins games. And it sounds like BYU is lacking in that department at the
Surprising that they allowed the media to mention this. There's a lot of
things that go on that people don't know about
If you fight with love in your heart then it's ok.
Brace yourselves, here comes the hype up to another lack luster season.
@Chris BNot sure of your logic, which is interesting as you have
espoused your belief in science. No team, school, or administration
can influence the quality of play of an opponent or how good or bad they are.
You postulate that somehow BYU chooses to schedule weak opponents. How do you
propose that BYU is able to know how good a team will be that is scheduled
anywhere from 1 to 10 years in advance. Cal may not be great now,
but has been excellent in the past. Stanford was terrible a decade ago, look at
them now. And Oregon in the past was a joke.
panamadesnews, thank you for explaining that to me. I did not
How is it a good sign when the players fight each other?It is not a sign
of toughness, rather a sign of their not being able to control their emotions
and acting childish.I hope they break out in a fight in their first
game so Mendenhall and crew and really enjoy the toughness; will over skill,
I hope BYU and Utah does better this year since they were at times an
embarrassment for our state last year. USU showed that there was one team in
Utah worth paying attention to.
To Ronald Uharriet: The reporter said the coaches "smiled" then sent the
perpetrators to the showers. They smiled because it was good to see their
players had passion. If they had been condoning their actions, they would not
have sent them to the showers. They do want passion, but controlled passion.
Sending them to the showers sends the message that, "yes, we want you to be
passionate, but we want you to control that passion." End of story.
Football is by nature an aggressive, violent sport and competition for playing
time happens. It can be good as long as no injuries result and you understand
that in a game the rules are different than in practice.
May seem a little off, but bear with it here. First you guys say Bronco plays
with too little passion (and by extension, his team), then you mock when he is
pleased that they are playing with passion. Bronco, and BYU football, is NOT
what I'm getting tired of.Before you can direct and focus your
passion, you have to HAVE passion. The level of passion is coming up on the
offensive line. The level of focus needs to as well. Hopefully it will.My level of passion, and focus, is on the rise!
Conflict! Competition for positions! Spring football! Yahoo!
objectified,Take the average margin of victory during the current
streak instead of pretending 54-10 didnt happen and doesn't apply.Most games are 20, 30, or 44 point blowouts. But when one team wins year
after year after year after year, yes it says something about the difference
between the two teams. The only thing that matters is the SCOREBOARD. And year
after year after year utah scores more. only to byu fans does that mean nothing
so much talk over so little action. no fighting?.....funny how it seems to only
apply to BYU and not to any other program. Football is fighting with rules. it
usually involves someone's ego getting hurt.... as longs as there are to
cheap shots, let them play football.
@ BdamajdBYU is not a Utah school. They are a religious
institution, that happens to be in Utah.
Yes, looking in from Federal Way, fighting in a game can result in a penalty.
But this was not a game. Go fish!Some of you folks need to start
looking at the glass as half-full and filling up. Why the kumbaya attitude?
I'd rather see some spunk that could result later in a penalty instead of a
hand-holding experience where everyone gets a ribbon for participation and good
Chris B.,I not only think that we might be able to beat Va. this
season, I expect to beat Va. this season and I believe that it was lack of
proper preparation for that game last season against that team. that caused us
not to beat them. This was a game that we should have won. This season, we
will take that game more seriously and we will beat them.Regarding
our game vs, California, I not only think that we might be able to beat this
team, I expect to beat this team. The last time we played them was under HC
Gary Crowton and we destroyed them at Cal. Homo was their HC at the time.Beating Cal, this season, will not show the football world that we can
beat any team in the Nation, You must remember that Cal was dead last in the
pac 12 last season. Next to dead last, at #11 was Colorado. Third from dead
last was #10 Utah, so-----no, beating Cal this season, will not prove that we
can beat any team in the Nation, however, it could be a disaster if we do lose
While the intent is something to be commended, I fear the danger or the
precedence being set with coach approval. I hope that the coaches, condoneing
violence among it’s players, in the name of coming out tough and playing
tough, does not backfire on them. I hope that when a Cougar is
ejected from the game, for un-necessary roughness, the coaches will remember
that it was they, that promoted the enviroment for such ejection. While I do enjoy a highly spirited game, un-nessary roughness, in my opinion,
is no substitute for intelligent play.
Wendall Hoop - If by "crushing" you mean barely winning and then going
on to collapse after the most important game of your season then you have a
point. But since BYU has gone on to have a much better season than Utah every
one of the past 5 years I doubt that is what you mean. By your awesome logic
Utah is a better team than Stanford.
Remember that these guys are not only going fast and going hard, but they are
fighting for playing time and starting slots. It's only natural for there
to be some scuffles. What excites a coach is to see intensity that runs high
enough to send some to the showers. If you don't have that at practice it
will translate into playing soft in games. The coaches are not grooming these
players for failure and comments about sportsmanship fail to recognize that BYU
builds character unlike most other Universities at the same time it prepares its
players to win in a very violent game that requires participants to match or
exceed intensity to be successful. Come to a fireside on most Friday nights in
the fall, then go to the games on Saturday. You will love the remarkable
balance our coaching staff teaches. Saints at the pulpit, beasts on the field!
@ Chris B:It always makes me smile when you refer to your own ute
team as a "doormat", even though they aren't quite. In truth,
they've barely avoided that distinction the past few seasons. That sad part
is that they keep putting themselves in the running for that title every year.
If all you can brag about is squeaking by against BYU the past few years,
then have it. But that seems to be not all that great if that's truly all
you've got. At least BYU bounces back from their early season
losses to Utah and gets stronger as the season progresses. They set their sights
on having a winning season and going to a bowl game each year... things they
then accomplish. Sadly, the same thing can't be said about the Utes. They
seem to expend all their energy against the Cougars and usually go on 4 game
conference losing streaks afterward, and then fight like heck to avoid their
conference basement. To keep hearing you say "but at least we
beat you guys," when we all know there's nothing else in your bag,
truly makes you sound quite desperate.
Curious item to be excited about, fighting during practice. In a game where
discipline and team work are so important, it is amazing that a coach is excited
about fighting among teammates. What happens when the offensive linemen get hot
during a game and end up punching a defensive lineman? A flag,15 yards, and
ejection. Being excited about your team being physical and aggressive is one
thing, but being excited about "fighting" seems like it sets the wrong
precedent. Penalties are a result of poor practice and poor coaching, penalties
lose games, it would appear that the coaching staff should focus more on
discipline than on fighting should BYU want to get in the Top 25. However, with
their schedule they should end up at least 9-3 by just showing up.
@ eastcoastcoug:Where do you come up with this "both teams are a
joke" stuff? I can't and won't speak for the Utes (unlike Chris B
tries to do for the Cougars), but I will for BYU...They beat some
very good teams last year when they went on their 5 game winning streak...
including an unbeaten Houston team on the road. They trounced a ranked Texas
team which was later ranked again. They also gave USU one of it worst defeats of
the year and on the road no less. Same with Boise State. That in no
way can be categorized as being "a joke". And considering some of their
additions for this next season, there's no reason not to believe they will
be even better. It's your assessment that is truly the joke. @
Wendall Hoop:Considering Utah beat BYU by a single score in 3 of
their last 4 games... and with BYU having better offensive stats in most of
those games, it's ridiculous for you to say that Utah "has been
crushing BYU". In truth, they've barely been squeaking by them with the
slimmest of margins. You lost your credibility.
I have noted in "real" life, outside of the Internet, that the childish
types who say things only to provoke a reaction in others will eventually
realize just how lacking they are, and shut up or leave, *if* all in the target
audience consistently refuse to reward their childish behavior with responses.
I know that will likely never happen here, but I can make the appeal again.
Depending on the article, I am interested in reading what others with valid
opinions have to say. Since I don't feel it worth my time to read the
comments of known inciters, neither am I interested in reading the responses to
them. And since the revised commenting policy doesn't seem to have
actually changed anything, perhaps a new update could be made to allow users to
identify certain comments as "troll" and "response to troll" so
that those who are interested in an intelligent, relevant discussion can get
right to the worthwhile material.
In the words of Herman Boon from Remember the Titans. "Any 2 year old child
can throw a fit. Football is about harnessing that aggression in a team effort
to achieve perfection". I love to hear that players aren't
backing down and being aggressive, but as others have said, I want to see that
aggression and swagger against Texas, Virginia, Houston, UCF, & Utah's
twin brother cellar boy- Cal. I want to see it harnessed into performing with
precision and efficiency on gameday. Otherwise it's just hype.Chris, yes once again you are right that BYU, for whatever reason has
struggled with U lately. The difference is BYU doesn't squander the rest of
the season away, often times losing to teams they shouldn't (how was that
12 pt beat down at the hands of Wazzu...we owned them and Mike Leach last time
we played...we own a respectable .500 record against their buddies, the Huskies
while U haven't sniffed a W from them in 8 tries). Yet we struggle with U,
which is certainly frustrating. The only thing more frustrating would be
preparing for a THIRD straight bowless, mediocre season.
"BYU stipulates that media observers can't mention specific names of
players involved."Well, it was either Tradition, Spirit or Honor
(ironic) that was involved, which narrows down the list considerably.
Great! Aggression and push by the offensive line, that's what we need.Now where is this aggression during the game?Use this
aggression to maul fools we're playing against, not just against each other
in practice. The biggest problem BYU has had is being beat at the line of
scrimmage. Let's win the battle up front and we should win most of our
Hey, football is a physical sport - fight on! By the way, since many Utah fans
seem to loiter here for their football news, I thought I'd share what Jon
Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News said about the revolving door that is the
Utah Offensive Coordinator's office:"Two teams have new
head coaches (USC and Washington), and three have new offensive coordinators:
UW, Oregon State and Utah.(It wouldn’t be spring in SLC
without a new OC!)
Chris B referring to BYU as "we"?OK, you can have him. No
re: eastcoastcoug - "Utah is only marginally better than a bad BYU
program" ????? Really????? Where did you discover that, b/c it's news
to me. Utah has been crushing byu in the rivalry and also has the BCS wins. Utah
has struggled in the win/loss in PAC12, but Utah is still the premier program.
Saying otherwise is baffling.
I tend to agree with Chris on this one,(at least as far as the "we"
thing), in that he should be saying "we" when referring to BYU. I am a
Cougars fan, but when the Utes are not playing BYU, I am also a Utes fan! I
attended USU so I always want them to do well also. I get the whole
"in-state rivalry" thing and I am a part of it. But I also think we
should be rooting for ALL of our Utah teams to do as well as they can, with the
exception of when they are playing our own personal favorite Utah team! My wife
is an avid Ute Fan and I root for the Utes no matter who they are playing EXCEPT
BYU and USU! Maybe there would be less animosity and more sportsmanship if we as
Utahns would support each other except in those rivalry games.Just sayin'.
Correction: both Utah and BYU are a joke at this point.....maybe USU
can make the state of Utah proud...
Okay, I'm a prude. And I understand coaches' desire for aggressiveness
in their players. But I can't help but think what a headline like this
teaches kids. "Smiles and Excitement" for fighting? Really? If it's
okay among "team mates" isn't it okay everywhere else? IMO, there
is enough conflict among today's youth without the media...especially the
Deseret News... encouraging it.
Well at least they're not a perennial PAC 10 celler dweller steadily
getting used to a lack of post season play.
Sounds like church basketball! lol
What a weird article. I'm tired of all the elation and projection coming
out of Spring practice. By the end of September, our bubble is burst. Every
year. Tujague is correct: it only matters if you win on a Saturday in season.As for Chris B - move on, buddy. Utah is only marginally better than a
bad BYU program and has been the cellar dweller of this PAC you are so proud of.
Utah (and its fans) spend way too much time obsessing on one game. It will be
interesting to see how they do with no BYU to focus on this year, playing with
the obviously better programs of the PAC.IMHO both Utah teams are a
joke at this point.
I thought this school teaches to be "of the game but not In the game".
Is fighting part of the CODE? It sure seems like it should be...
Yes, a little fight, a lot of grit is sorely needed! Interesting, Chris B., in
talking about BYU said, "...we"! Has he finally converted!
They should bring in a microphone and some chairs and stuff and then let them go
Chris B, haven't you heard? We aren't playing the "#12 Pac12
Team" this year. Utah wanted to take a two year break. How does it feel to
be the doormat of the Pac12?
So glad a Cougar fan beat a Ute fan to comment first on the article. But why
exactly would a U fan care about spring practice at the Y when we don't
even play each other this year? Must be that a story of unnamed
individuals getting overly worked up at each other at practice must be more
intriguing than anything going on up on the hill.
I thought fighting in a game was a penalty? I understand the
coaches liking tough players but to encourage fighting as a sign of toughness is
just another strange twist involving BYU coaches.
There is a ton of fight in this group. If the guys can perfect this
go fast go hard I can see byu beating Virginia this year. And if
things really one together beating cal might even be possible. We haven't
done well against PAC 12 teams lately, but lets see if we can beat the #12 PAC
12 team. If we do, that will prove we can beat anyone in the nation and deserve
My money would be on Kearsley being involved. And I am good with that. We need
some fire on the line.