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Published: Thursday, March 6 2014 8:54 a.m. MST

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Joemamma
W Jordan, UT

We don't don't want to touch anything that has to do with obamacare.
The obamacare bill is cursed and toxic!!
Stay away from and don't accept anything that comes with it period..
I have a better sugestion. Let's vote those Democrtas that want associate themselves with it out of office.

pat1
Taylorsville, UT

Someone needs to consider the poor and the working poor in this state.

freedom in 2017
SLC, UT

Of course they do. It's play money and no one need worry about where it comes from or who's going to pay it back...thanks libs

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

It's hard to understand why any state would leave Federal money on the table and then tax its citizens even more to create a plan that gives less coverage to fewer people.

Essentially, the Tea Party wants to charge citizens more money for a much inferior product. Just taking the federal money would give the state much more comprehensive medical coverage for more people.

Tea Party logic doesn't seem sensible to me . . . But maybe it's not supposed to make sense.

This is not the first time in world history that ideologues in leadership positions have expected citizens to suffer to support a cause. Jim Jones and Hitler were more than happy to take their followers down with them in the end.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Clearly a partisan political ploy to try to support the national democrats in their colossal failure of Obamacare.

Anyone (from either party) who wants Utah to take the bait of federal money up front to accept the mandate to expand a program that is unsustainable and is already specified to receive LESS federal funding in the future is not thinking this thing through for the long term benefit of Utahns. Instead, they are thinking of the chance that someone might give them credit or blame for caring or not caring about the poor, the sick, the huddled masses yearning for free stuff, or the taxed enough already taxpayers who have to pay for all these "good ideas."

Reject this foolish local democrat idea, and repeal the even worse Obamacare scam entirely at the national level.

RBB
Sandy, UT

Yes, let's start a program subsidized by a government that is $17,000,000,000,000 in debt and has no plan for even balancing it's budget. Then when the feds cannot continue funding it, the state is on the hook for the full tab. The federal.government spends $20,000 per person in poverty per year. When is enough enough?

humbug
Syracuse/Davis, UT

Why don't we refuse the F-35 jets at HAFB? With the money that would save the Feds (deficit) we could then pay for health care expansion in Utah. Oh, wait. Health care expansion helps the poor. We don't want to do that. (Lockhart.) But, we are happy to accept Federal monies for defense or water or schools or anything other than the poor.

JimInSLC
Salt Lake City, UT

"Federal Money"? What a misnomer. Whether the money comes from the Federal Govt. or State Govt. it all comes from the taxpayer. A big problem is that the Federal Govt. does not collect in taxes as much as it distributes, it is printing money which future taxpayers will be on the hook to pay. Not to worry, they have no intention of paying the money back. The end result will be a collapse of the economy. How will all these social programs fare then? Not very well.

All States should reject "Federal Money" and push for a lesser taxing of its citizens by the Federal Govt.

LOU Montana
Pueblo, CO

Obamacare is a rough draft and will need to be modified. I am happy that we have some kind of change in the system. Republican have done NOTHING for America or it's working class. If they are so full of great ideas then why have they not come up with something? Make note of this that when Obamacare is fine tuned they (Republicans) will be making false claims of how they are the ones who made it work.

Please vote out any Republicans who want to take away your healthcare.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

Medicaid is a carrot from the left wing to take control of the health care system of each state. This is all about a march to the left and complete federal control in all areas. Democrats have got to start developing a backbone with a moderate leader to emerge or you have the same control that surfaced in the 40s with national socialism. Sure, the Republicans need to show reform. However, the idea according to political science professors in the University of Missouri system is to crush the Republicans and instigate one party rule. If that doesn't scare people, then it should. Yesterday's reports in the NY Times of the Senate rejection of Debo Adegbile for the Civil Rights division of the Justice Department is a step in the right direction. Seven Democrats (Montana, Delaware, Arkansas, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Dakota) joined with the Republicans to reject the nomination of a nominee who was involved in defending a far left "cop killer" in Philadelphia. The Democrats have the right idea but the current administration is moving ever relentlessly to the left and complete government control.

cookslc
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Good for him. I fully realize the federal funds may disappear, just like they do for unemployment benefits, community block grants, brown field remediation, PILT, etc., all of which we happily accept and even seek after. When that happens, we scale back the program, just as we have PCN with limited enrollment periods. I simply do not understand why we do not accept money for our citizens. It will fund jobs, increase our tax revenues and might help people a bit more than debating our state tree

LindaGJ
Salt Lake City, UT

But of course, we don't want to take Federal money, do we? No, wait, UDOT gets plenty of it and bemoans the sequester cuts.It's only money to help poor people be healthy we don't want to take. To keep poor people out of the emergency rooms--where services cost ten times as much. To take money that lowers health costs for all because hospitals don't have to charge patients extra to cover the "free" services in emergency rooms. It all fails to make sense to me.

wer
South Jordan, UT

It's easy to understand why states would leave federal money on the table: it's not taking free money. It's money that has long strings attached, not the least of which is adding layer upon layer of suffocating debt on us and future generations. It's the usual federal trap: they want us to think we are getting something for nothing. Anybody who thinks that will happen has hopelessly forgotten US history patterns.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

JBQ - Your "government control" scenario really doesn't have much merit, at least not in the way you meant it.

Yes, it is the function of the government to exercise a certain amount of control, especially when a situation is completely out of control and detrimental to the nation and its citizens.

For many years now, the United States has had the highest Health Care costs in the world, with just so-so results; and that had to change.

In 2000, the World Health Organization ranked the US number 37 in terms of health care. Number 37?!

why should the greatest nation in the world be number 37 in something as important as health care?

Thanks to President Obama and far-sighted Democrats, the government did take control of an out-of-control situation.

Yes, I know there's all kinds of Right Wing Anti-Government Propaganda out there, but remember this: The founders gave us the Constitution for the very purpose of strengthening a government that had proved ineffective under the Articles of Confederation. The Founders gave us a government that can and does take control of otherwise out-of-control situations.

The purpose of government is to govern responsibly.

KatFitz27
Salt Lake City, UT

Well,duh. It's about time the Democrats got pro-active on this issue.

mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

We have already paid these taxes to the feds, it is beyond stupid to turn it down. Not taking this will not reduce the deficit by one penny. It just gives more money to the smarter states.

WilliamLee
Ogden, UT

My family are ones that could benefit from the Medicaid Expansion. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a freeloader. I've paid into the system for many years, didn't always have the best jobs in the world, but earned enough to care for my family. When work became hard to come by, in my field, I changed careers and went back to college to become a special education teacher. However, in my last year of college for my Master's in Education, I developed a very aggressive form of glaucoma and I am now legally blind. Anyone wondering how I'm writing this being blind, it is called a screen reader. Anyway, my wife and I are both disabled and on Social Security Disability, which puts us on a fixed income. According to the "Obamacare" Healthcare Marketplace, I don't make enough money for their plans. I am eligible for Medicaid. Here is the problem, I make to much for Medicaid, according to DWS. So here I sit with no healthcare, and I need it for my eyes. I'm healthy otherwise.

arand
Huntsville, u

Exactly right DN Subscriber and this is why we have States instead of one huge all in one government. The States were meant to be set up as experiments by our Founding fathers to see what works and what does not. All you have to do is look at the Blue States and their financial woes compared to the Red States who are prospering. UT is doing better than most. I do not see what part of that people don't understand. Let us try this and if it fails people can just simply move to another State and not have to move out of the Country. Or, the State can simply change directions.

Cowboy Joe
Encampment, WY

Of course Utah won't accept the money. They only accept corporate entitlements from the federal government not money to help the poor.

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

Ok liberals tell us how you expect to maintain the Medicaid expansion once the Federal money runs out? Did you know that the money being offered by the Fedeal government would only be for a few years, then we would be on the hook for maintaining funding levels?

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