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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 10, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    @talkinsports

    I'm well aware of all of those items. The RPI is basically why Utah isn't going to the NCAA tourney. Close losses to Oregon, Arizona, WSU and Colorado have doomed Utah's NCAA chances. That and a weak non-conference schedule. BYU has beaten Utah over and over again this decade; but Utah pasted BYU this year. Why would any one talk about Utah and Bracketology? We all know they are heading to the NIT, unless they win the conference tourney. I hope that makes you feel better and not so bitter.

  • Chris B. 4 Prez! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Cal's "ugly loss" was due in large part to Utah's stingy defense. Give Coach K and the Utes credit for sticking it to their conference foes with some awesome defense.

    Go Coach K! Go Runnin' Utes! Make it "Shut-down Stanford Saturday!"

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 7, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    Cougcat

    I think you are pretty close with your assessment of the Pac-12 bids, you probably have 6 teams vying for 3-4 spots.

    As for the WCC, I think the Zags are the only sure bet, if BYU loses their first tourney game, I don't think they make the dance.

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 7, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    DraperUteFan is right....Pac12 will only send 5 teams to NCAAs - and WCC will only send 2. Cal will be off the bubble after getting embarrassed last week (two bad losses in AZ) and now an ugly home loss to Utes. Stanford is on bubble - they must protect home court vs. Utes tomorrow in order to not fall off. Utes must win tomorrow AND at least make it to Pac12 tourney finals in order to get ON to bubble due to weak non conf. sched and lack of road wins. Road wins have ALWAYS been a major factor w/selection committee. Many published interviews w/NCAA committee members have confirmed this fact in years past.

    Despite Utes' recent successes the NIT is far more likely destination for them. Wins in the Pac 12 tournament by any of the key players, Oregon, Oregon St, ASU, Colo, Utes, Stanford & even the slumping Bears could change all of this. Only Arizona and UCLA are shoe-ins for NCAA at large invites out of the Pac 12....all others are at risk.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 7, 2014 8:21 a.m.

    talkinsports
    Gilbert, AZ

    Uteology

    "What happened to your to "one loss doesn't make a season" argument?"

    One loss, especially for a bubble team late in the season, can be the tipping point between an at-large bid and a bubble being popped.

    Strange question for someone who pretends to be soooo versed in stats.

    ---------------

    Thanks for clearing the obvious but that wasn't the discussion.

    The statement you made was "At large prospects for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by both Bay Area teams."

    Which is not the case, Cal is out because they have lost 4 of 5 and Stanford is still projected as a #10 seed.

    FYI... losing to the #4 or #6 PAC 12 teams isn't an ugly loss, getting thumped by the #12 WCC team is (LMU 87 BYU 76).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 7, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    @Uteanymous

    After losing at home to Utah, California dropped 8 places in ESPN's latest Bracketology, from "Last Four Byes" to "First Four Out" and PAC 12 bids dropped from 7 to 6.

    The same fate may await Stanford if the Utes upset the Cardinal on Saturday.

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    California dropped 8 spots after losing to Utah? Sorry, but that's not how it works.

    Stanford is a #10 seed, BYU is a #11 seed.

    Same fate awaits BYU if they get spanked by LMU again on Saturday.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 7, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    Uteology

    Skywalker was correct:

    "At large prospects for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by both Bay Area teams."

    After losing at home to Utah, California dropped 8 places in ESPN's latest Bracketology, from "Last Four Byes" to "First Four Out" and PAC 12 bids dropped from 7 to 6.

    The same fate may await Stanford if the Utes upset the Cardinal on Saturday.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    Bleu

    that's actually a very good point

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 6, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    "Jeff Sagarin is constantly referred to in football but totally disregarded this year in basketball RPI. Why?"

    Because the NCAA Selection Committee couldn't care less about Sagarin's ratings, but they do care about RPI.

    In football, however, Sagarin's ratings were a component of the BCS computer rankings, therefore, much more relevant.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    pocyUte

    Don't kid yourself.

    The reason BYU is projected to be an at large team, while Utah is projected to be left on the outside looking in is all based ENTIRELY on subjective comparisons.

    Anybody who argues otherwise is simply blowing smoke.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    March 6, 2014 9:08 p.m.

    Isn't it funny that byu fans constantly refer to ESPN's Bracketology and RPI, yet they fail to reference ESPN's BPI ratings. BPI takes into consideration the margin of victory and teams missing key players. Utah is currently #34 while byu is currently #45.

    Jeff Sagarin is constantly referred to in football but totally disregarded this year in basketball RPI. Why? Could it be because Utah is #35 and byu is #44?

    If the Utes can beat Stanford and win a couple of games in the PAC-12 Tournament, they could get an at-large invite. If byu wins a couple of games in the WCC Tournament, but fail to win the tourney, they should be in unless Gonzaga fails to win the WCC Tournament.

    Good luck to both teams.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    March 6, 2014 8:59 p.m.

    "One loss, especially for a bubble team late in the season, can be the tipping point between an at-large bid and a bubble being popped."
    -Talkinsports

    Pretty much what I said after the cougs lost to 15-14 Pacific. But I'm guessing you are in the "cougs are a lock" camp?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2014 7:28 p.m.

    Talking sports

    So, by your logic margin of victory has to be considered. Well, in that case 7 of Utah's 9 losses are by 4 points or less or overtime. So really, Utah is much better than their record says, and are still much better than BYU.

    You see, you are still only bringing subjective data (ranking finishes), or data that is from an unequal playing field (bowl games) and conveniently omitting the total domination Utah has exhibited over BYU over the past 12 years.

    I readily admit BYU has dominated Utah in hoops over the past decade or so, but, Utah by objective data, Utah is better than BYU in basketball and football, all the dodging of objective data, and talk about rankings (subjective), RPI (which has a subjective component) or "if we played you again" argument doesn't change the fact that Utah has scoreboard.

    It's so fun to type, I'll do it again

    Scoreboard.

    Go Utes

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 6, 2014 6:21 p.m.

    Uteology

    "What happened to your to "one loss doesn't make a season" argument?"

    One loss, especially for a bubble team late in the season, can be the tipping point between an at-large bid and a bubble being popped.

    Strange question for someone who pretends to be soooo versed in stats.

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    pocyUte

    Utah may have won 11 of the last 17 head-to-head games recently, but 14 of those 17 games were decided by a touchdown or less in the final minutes or in OT - hardly domination - especially when BYU has finished with a higher ranking and/or better overall record in 10 of those 17 seasons.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    11+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 9
    Kyle 7

    --------

    In basketball, Rose has completely dominated Utah across the board.

    Rose 230-76(75%), 9 20+ win seasons, 6 going on 7 NCAAs, 4 conf champs, 12-4 versus Utah
    Utah 136-146(48%), 2 20+ win seasons, 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA, 1 conf champ

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    March 6, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    teamrankings.com has the following probabilities for Utah schools to make the NCAA tournament. Only SUU, among NCAA Division I schools) has no chance.

    BYU: 83.4% making the NCAA tournament (27.2% win conference tournament; 56.2% at large bid)

    Weber State: 64.7% making the NCAA tournament (64.7% win conference tournament; 0.0% at large bid)

    Utah: 13.0% making the NCAA tournament (3.9% win conference tournament; 9.1% at large bid)

    UVU: 8.1% making the NCAA tournament (8.1% win conference tournament; 0.0% at large bid)

    Utah State: 1.7% making the NCAA tournament (1.7% win conference tournament; 0.0% at large bid)

    These are based on the results from Wednesday night and thousands of simulations of remaining season and conference tournament games.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    Lonestar,

    You still didn't address my question. Does history count or not? You can't have it both ways. If it does, then Utah is definitely better that BYU in football because they have beaten them like circus monkeys for 12 years, and BYU fans should finally admit that Utah is the better team.

    If history doesn't count, then Utah is better than BYU because Utah beat BYU like circus monkeys this year. Which is it?

    You can say all you want about projections, they don't mean a thing. What matters is what actually happens.

    Will BYU and Utah make it to the big dance? On the court performance over the next 2 weeks will tell, not projections. Utah was projected to finish 11th in the Pac-12, by "experts" at CBS.

    It's subjective data vs. objective data.

    Committees, computers, rankings that is all subjective. And yes, the tournament committee has to make subjective assessments in deciding who is in the tournament.

    Scoreboard, however, is objective. And Utah has scoreboard over BYU.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 6, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    I predicted a drop in the standings by Cal and Colorado several weeks ago. The Buffs have not fallen as far as I thought they might, but Cal hit a tough stretch in the schedule.

    The PAC 12 may only get 5 teams in unless the 6th is a middle of the pack team that does extremely well in the tournament. If Utah were to beat Stanford and make it to the conference semis, they might get consideration. That far exceeds what most Ute fans thought possible this season.

    A lot of other conferences are going through the same process as the PAC 12 with the top teams pulling away and the rest fighting for consideration. PAC 12 haters make it sound so unique to the PAC. Look at the overall standings of the Big 12, ACC, and Big Ten. After the top 5 teams in any power conference they are all bubble teams.

    The exception of course being the WCC, where only two schools are likely to get a bid.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    March 6, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    SportsCenter-

    No one is claiming anything "absolutely."

    We're just saying SCOREBOARD!

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil
    "Both Utah schools are going to have to win their respective tournament if they hope to dance."

    I think BYU can make it in with a conference tourney final loss (as long as it's to Gonzaga). They might have to do a play-in game though.

    Utah needs to beat Stanford and I think getting to the conference tourney finals might be enough especially if they beat Arizona along the way (in the conference semifinals if they're the 5 seed). At some point Stanford and Cal might take enough hits that Utah might replace one of them (or BYU could...).

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 6, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Notice how Utah fans no longer pay any attention to SOS or RPI or bracketology projections or Utah's head-to-head record or how many conference championships or how many games the Utes have won in the NCAA tournament in the last decade.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    March 6, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    Nice win on the road!!! One more then the PAC12 tourney!!! Put up or shut up time for all teams!!!

    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    March 6, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Marked It Down,

    I'm guessing that you're one of the Cougar fans who insists that the better team did NOT prevail when Utah dismantled BYU in the 54-10 rivalry game a few years ago.

    Am I right?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 6, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    FACTchequer

    The Utes, with a #119 SOS, are only 18-9 versus D-1 teams.

    ----------

    Actually, according to Sagarin:

    #35 Utah 18-9 ... SOS #80
    #44 BYU 20-10 ... SOS #65

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 6, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    skywalker
    Palo Alto, CA

    At large prospects for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by both Bay Area teams.

    -------------

    What happened to your to "one loss doesn't make a season" argument?

    Stanford is a #10 seed which is still better then #11 seed BYU.

    California is on the bubble because they've lost 4 of the last 5 against teams currently ranked #1, #2, #3, and #6 in the PAC 12. And PAC-12 is ranked the #3 conference in the nation.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 6, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    This just in - home court advantage isn't a myth:

    Jan. 23@ Arizona StateL 75-79
    Feb. 23Arizona State W 86-63

    A 28 point difference; imagine that.

    Jan. 18UCLA W 74-69
    Feb. 15@ UCLA L 66-80

    A 19 point difference; hmmm.

    Feb. 1 @ Colorado L 75-79
    Mar. 1 ColoradoW 75-64

    A 15 point difference; definitely seems to be some sort of correlation.

    Dec. 14Brigham Young W 81-64
    Mar. 6 @ Brigham Young ??

    Yet, some crimson-glasses wearing fans claim that Dec. 14 absolutely confirmed that Utah is better...

    even though Utah has lost 11 of the last 13 versus BYU, and hasn't beaten BYU in Marriott Center since 2005.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 6, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Not sure if these last two wins help the Utes or hurt the Buffs and Bears more? I still don't see the Utes dancing unless they win the tourney, which is not likely. And most bracketologists had Colorado and Cal in the tourney a week ago, but many have taken them out or moved them to the bubble. The mighty PAC may not get as many teams in as they thought.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 6, 2014 1:45 p.m.

    ekute

    "The real competition and the proof is on the court..."

    Where U conveniently had a hot shooting night on your home court.

    As abysmally as Utah has played on the road this season, and during the last several years, there's no proof that Utah could have beaten BYU in the Marriott Center, where the Utes have NEVER beaten BYU during the Dave Rose era.

    As a reminder of just how big a difference home court advance can have in a series:

    1/25/1990 at BYU 65, Utah 49 (+16 BYU)
    2/10/1990 at Utah 89, BYU 73 (+16 Utah)

    A 32-point swing in less than 3 weeks.

    1/7/2006 at BYU 72, Utah 60 (+12 BYU)
    2/8/2006 at Utah 79, BYU 60 (+19 Utah)

    That's a 31-point swing.

    It happens, and it happens frequently, that a team winning at home, even in dominating fashion, can be just as easily dominated in a return match on the other team's home court.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 6, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    The SF Chronicle sports writer [Crumpacker - I kid you not!]put into words what I was seeing late last night...

    "With plenty to play for in the final week of the regular season, Cal instead produced a manifestly crummy game, its worst of the home schedule, and lost to Utah 63-59 on Wednesday night at Haas Pavilion....The Bears fell to 18-12 overall and quite possibly out of an NCAA Tournament berth."

    The Utes were lucky to pull this one out. Keep it up through the P-12 tourney and ya'll just might go-dancin'.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 6, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    Since we won prestegous cal on the road it proves we are even more prestegous now so we will make the final 4 in the big dance no problem.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    p.s. To add to my previous comment, byu was also on Lunardi's list of "Road Dogs" having posted a losing Road/Neutral record. I suspect he was certain to list them on it since it included a handful of absolutely horrible Ls. This is not talking trash, it's a statement of fact. Equally factual is our OOC Schedule not even remotely up to par, as it was constructed during our 6 win season 2 years ago while not knowing how rapidly Coach K would kill the rebuilding curve we were at the time about to commence down.

    Other than catching 2 superior teams during the season's 1st week, byu's beat nobody away from home, which makes their seemingly endless references to our severely beaten to a pulp horse of an OOC Schedule mind-boggling, as if explaining why it was what it was and how it was literally a 1 year occurrence didn't matter, it served its purpose for them to use as a distraction-tactic to keep the focus off of what they weren't accomplishing themselves and, most importantly, off of the demolition we administered upon byu, head to head [not hypothetically].

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 6, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    Kudos to Utes and coach Larry K - first road win vs. team w/winning record. As for the Big Dance....Utes will have to win at Stanford and perform at tournament next weekend or else it'll be NIT for 'em. Cal is slumping and won't be in NCAA unless they win the whole thing next weekend (not likely)....bad losses at AZ and ASU last week - and now this. But credit where credit's due - Utes are definitely improving. Coach Krystko's plan - let 'em shoot from outside, foul-foul-foul in the paint and make the Bears hit their throws - was a good one. I salute him.

    See you all in Vegas - the Tucson Wildcats await you.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 6, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    @SoupTwins

    Nope, don't care to take the time; and actually I really shouldn't even give a rip. I try to ignore certain screen names. It's always the same drivel with out much content to their post. Just a hate filled rant. Oh well, to each his own.

    Thanks and we will see what happens on Saturday. Either way I like this team; they compete even though they have faltered down the stretch at times.

    Have a Good One; the Spokane Ute is out!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    In beating Stanford, should we accomplish this feat, and then assuming we manage to reach at minimum our conference tourney's semi-finals, we'd not only vault our RPI Ranking upward, we'd also simultaneously accomplish racking up more wins away from home, which is something Lunardi specifically harped on in his "INSIDER" article posted today!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 6, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    cougar fans can have the lunardi trophy. The real competition and the proof is on the court, with scoreboard having the final say. Go Utes!

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    LonestarRunner-

    "bottom line is where bracketologists are projecting...Utah to finish" I will grant you that that is true for college basketball GENERALLY.

    But when it comes to Utah and BYU, the "bottom line" is SCOREBOARD!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 6, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Good post and accurate. Still a lot of work to be done by Utah. Saturday is pivotal for both Stanford and Utah. Almost an elimination game. If Utah wins Saturday and get's a PAC 12 conference win or two, they could be in good shape. It will be hard to keep out a team with a top 30 BPI. If BYU bakes it to the WCC championship, which they probably will, they are in. March Madness Rocks! Take Care Guy!

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Spokane-- Care to take a challenge on your claim and actually count the posts? It would be quite revealing, indeed. Congrat's on your team's recent wins.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    I'm just happy to see the Utes exceed virtually everyone's expectations, except perhaps their own and those of Coach K. Go Utes!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    pocyUte

    You can say all you want about records, conferences, and SOS, but, bottom line is where bracketologists are projecting BYU and Utah to finish:

    In the latest 2014 Bracket Matrix, which includes 98 different brackets, including all of the big ones like ESPN, USA Today, Yahoo, and CBS:

    BYU is projected to be an 11th seed, with an average of 11.13 in EIGHTY-FOUR of 98 brackets
    Utah is listed in "others receiving votes" in ONE bracket, as a 12th seed

    It's quite obvious that the rest of the country isn't nearly as impressed with Utah as the kids living under the crimson bubble.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    You have to be impressed with the job Coach K and his staff are doing with this team. Considering the Boylen era dumpster fire they inherited, this year's results are encouraging. No question about a weak out of conference schedule this year, but tremendous progress in a top tier conference is encouraging. Coach K has two years left on his contract, but I'd like to see Chris Hill get a contract extension wrapped up.

    Go Utes !!

  • Unbiased1979 dallas, TX
    March 6, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    Good win for the Utes, but let's hold off on the dance talk just yet. Cal is a mediocre team (RPI 57 BPI 65). And, this is just the 2nd win for the Utes outside of the Huntsman center this year. Quite frankly, the Utes non-conference sched is really going to hurt. I still give them a chance, but I think they need to beat stanford and then have a deep run in the Pac 12 tourney, (semis) to have a shot at an at large bid. I wish them luck.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Crow - Exactly! The game was very reminiscent of those great Big Monday games years ago.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 6, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    Good Job Utah,

    You just knocked Cal out of Lunardi's bracket. PAC went from 7 to 6 teams projected. Lunardi bumped BYU up to an 11 seed. Utah has a unique chance to make some noise and stir the pot regarding the PAC 12. I'm morbidly curious to see what would happen if Utah makes a similar run in the tourney like last year. who knows, maybe Utah get's an at large, but it would depend on winning this Saturday and going relatively deep in the PAC tourney.

    Good luck, but I still don't think Utah makes the dance.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 6, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    PocyUte is spot on.

    Notice how the phrase perenial cellar dwellers has disappeared? Notice how the Beat down Utah put on BYU is never mentioned? Notice how the Sagarin and BPI rankings are never mentioned? Now that's curious.

    BYU fans love to talk about Chris B, but the number of fans who flock to Utah threads in an attemp to be-little the program far out weigh one or two individuals. Classy, very classy indeed!

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    Always amazed that some people can't just enjoy a win. The first person on this board to bring up BYU or any sort of "hate" at all was a Utah fan. Wish others wouldn't fall for the bait and just ignore. I watched some of the game and want to congratulate the Utes on good defensive play. Coach Kryst certainly seems to have the team heading in the right direction. And in other news….. Jimmy won the 4th grade spitting contest at the local elementary school.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    March 6, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Great defensive battle reminded me of the games against new Mexico in the 90's

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    FC--

    Do U not realize that other than catching unranked Stanford/Texas during the reg season's first week, byu's best Ws all have come against fellow juggernauts comprising the nation's ninth toughest overall conf w/their annual allottment of 2 token Tourney invites, yet laughter erupts whenever "Final Four" is mentioned?

    Seriously, U include that nat powerhouse USF in the mix why, because they were equally successful getting top-tier teams to agree to schedule themselves an automatic W so that USF could maintain a higher RPI ranking as a result of succeeding in scheduling a guaranteed L? They also scheduled a Home L against The Big Sky's Idaho State!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    UU
    Provo, UT

    "SOS smack talk from BYU fans continues to amaze. Despite Utah's horrible non conference schedule the strength of the PAC 12 conference now has their SOS at 80 according to Sagarin."

    Agreed. byu fans are truly an amazing bunch. I don't understand the point they are trying to make with these comparisons in RPI, SOS, etc. They had their chance to beat Utah and they couldn't do it. In fact, they were utterly destroyed (just like football). Their preconference schedule was respectable but they lost to all of the good teams even though byu fans seem to believe they are entitled to count moral victories. Their conference schedule is the WCC which is obviously one of the worst.

    What is the point and purpose of all the talk from byu fans? What are they trying to accomplish? Anyone??

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Factcheck

    You can say all you want about SOS, and what not, but the FACTS are

    5th Place in the Pac-12
    20 wins
    over .500 in the Pac-12

    Over and over again Ute haters were claiming Utah would be in the cellar of the Pac-12 this year. Fact: They are in the upper half with 1 game to go.

    When it looked like they were going to have a winning record, trolls on this board said they wouldn't get 20 wins, and now they have it.

    I just appreciate the trolls coming on here spewing their smack, cause each time they get a huge serving of crow.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    FC--

    "#31 BYU(21-10) #25 SOS is 7-6 versus RPI Top 100 and has played ranked #2 Wichita St, #16 Iowa St, and #26 Texas, BYU is 6-9(40%) in road/neutral games with FOUR RPI Top 100 wins"

    Nice try.... Texas is currently unranked identically being unranked when byu play against them seemingly decades ago, as well as Stanford.. They lost to each OOC ranked opponent proving one is required to merely schedule such opponents not beat them in order to maintain a high RPI.

    The PAC-12 top to bottom is ranked 3rd toughest overall conf nationally, a level of difficulty not predicated upon human voting.

    byu has not merely one, but rather four unconscionable losses to their credit and, the debate clincher of them all, in what proved to be on par w/Sav St-like easy, we destroyed byu head to head and did so in every facet possible, it was that thorough. Easily one of our very softest OOC opponents, hands down! And this is currently the weak cc's #2 seed. A reason GU/byu are on list of most Tourn app w/out reaching The F4!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    UU

    You're really delusional if you think that one or two games in a 30-game schedule is going to significantly impact BYU's or Utah's SOS.

    Playing 40% of your schedule (12 of 30 games) against one of THE WORST non-conference SOSs in the country will continue to be a significant drag on Utah's overall SOS.

    BYU SOS: non-conf #4, overall #25
    Utah SOS: non-conf #346, overall #119

    8 of Utah's 20 wins have come versus RPI #277+ or non-D-1 teams (that's BOTTOM 100)

  • UU Provo, UT
    March 6, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    SOS smack talk from BYU fans continues to amaze. Despite Utah's horrible non conference schedule the strength of the PAC 12 conference now has their SOS at 80 according to Sagarin.

    Despite BYUs top 10 non conference schedule, the weakness of the WCC now has them at 65.

    After Utah plays Stanford and BYU plays another patsy from the WCC this week, don't be surprised if both teams have a low 70s SOS by Sunday.

  • Reasonable thinker Seattle, WA
    March 6, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    Wow. I have never seen such sloppy basketball, and officiating. To bad it had to be on TV so the whole nation could see what real pac 12.2 basketball is really like. Cal and U just lost respect in the eyes of the basketball world.

    Neither Cal or u will go dancing now and Stanford is looking less likely. Oregon is on the bubble. Pac may get 4 teams now.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    Cal may be "slumping" but they are predicted to go to the tournament and remember they beat Arizona back on Feb. 1st.

    Three wins in a row now for the Utes (against teams to which they were considered the underdog) and 20 wins on the season!

    Nothing but praise for this team of players and coaches.

    Now let's go get Stanford on Saturday and make some noise in the Pac-12 tourney next week!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 6, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    Good road win, no matter how you slice it. Utah is in a 4 way tie for 5th in the conference. They are ranked #34 (BPI) and #35 (Sagrin). A win Saturday, and they finish in the top 6 in the conference. Time for Joe Lunardi to wake up and look at Utah's resume. The RPI is killing them (#72). Huge disparity between RPI, BPI and Sagarin.

    I also love how the win uspsets all of the Haters. Instead of saying good for Utah and they got a nice win; it's always the other team played horrible and they (Cal) are a terrible team. How sad; weak sauce indeed. Anything, and I mean anything but give Utah credit.

    Go Utes!
    >----->

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 6, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    @FACTchequer

    "The Utes, with a #119 SOS, are only 18-9 versus D-1 teams."

    And the Cougs are roughly 1-4 versus D-1 teams. You have one D-1 team in your conference, and you played about three others out of conference.

    Point is, SMH at BYU fans dropping schedule smack. Which high school do you play this week?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    Two things weighted will be how we concluded our season and the fact we currently have merely one sub-RPI #86 L....Not to mention virtually the entirety of our very best Ws were double digit whoopings.

    BTW, Stanford's hardly slumping. Review carefully which teams they've most recently lost to/Where/Their current rankings and which conf opponents overall they have Ls to....Their worst L was at RPI #103 OSU....CAL has been a Jekyll & Hyde, yet they're extremely top-heavy/Coach MM carries much weight & have merely one really bad L at USC, w/next worst at RPI #106 UCSB on 12/06/13.... Neither Bay Area school is stuck w/a handful of really bad Ls and possesses multiple signature Ws achieving well past the very first week of the regular season way back in early November....Not to mention their Conference SOS in Low 40s, not in triple digits.

    I suppose when byu beats a team it's a W for the ages, but when it's The U registering the W, the opponent must be slumping. Staggering!

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    pocyUte

    "I believe there were a lot of people on this board saying that 20 wins was an impossibility."

    The Utes, with a #119 SOS, are only 18-9 versus D-1 teams.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Uh oh! Cougar fans are not going to like this."

    au contraire

    Utah's win over #57 California actually strengthens #31 BYU's at-large resume (slightly), while weakening a bubble team that was listed with BYU in Lunardi's Last Four Byes.

    Meanwhile, the #72 Utes still have a long way to go to become a bubble team with only one regular season game left to do it.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 6, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    We jumped upward double digits in RPI by winning at CAL and continue ranking highly in rankings other than RPI, which is virtually exclusively tied to SOS w/little regard to any other relevant factor, including Ws/Ls, game outcomes, key players out, close home games vs on the road, etc. RPI factors heavily into which will rather than which should make it--

    I speak of such rankings as ESPN's BPI Rankings, which is explained in detail by ESPN....The U's own Kenpom is closer to BPI's accuracy than others, but ESPN makes a strong case for BPI being second to none in being the most thorough/complete measure regarding the various power rankings currently out there and I agree w/them.

    Achieving a high RPI in one's OOC Schedule essentially consists of successfully convincing as many top-tier programs to agree to scheduling a game....The outcome of any given game is irrelevant to its ultimate effect, particularly when a handful in total are scheduled w/in any given year.

    We play in an elite power conf, so we must only continue what we started OOC w/scheduling KU in K.C. next season.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 6, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    "a very good Cal team who probably will go to the NCAA tournament."

    I don't think Cal goes to the tourney now. They have lost too many. I see this resulting in fewer teams from the PAC going to the dance than previously projected.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 6, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    "Naysayers, where are you now?"

    I'm right here. You beat a slumping CAL team (congrats on the 2nd road win of the year though!) and you're going to play at a slumping Stanford team. Utah is definitely improving, but they still won't make the tournament. Both Utah schools are going to have to win their respective tournament if they hope to dance. Utah's chances are still very small, especially if Wright keeps shoots over the backboard.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    March 6, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    Great win last night! They're heating up at just the right time. I hope this gives them confidence to go get one more on Saturday. Its been a great season of growth for this team.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 6, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    Huge win,

    I believe there were a lot of people on this board saying that 20 wins was an impossibility.

    Guess what, they got it. A great milestone for this team. 20 wins, guaranteed a .500 record for the Pac-12. It's awesome.

    Go Utes

  • arod Ogden, UT
    March 6, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    Too bad if Utah doesn't make the big dance; it seems they are quite likely the best basketball team in Utah right now. Perhaps only Weber State or UVU make the dance---maybe BYU. If they played head on head, bet Utah would make hay of all of them

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    March 6, 2014 3:23 a.m.

    Great win, Utes over a likely NCAA tournament team on the road. We are now guaranteed at least .500 in the Pac-12. Let's do to Stanford what Colorado did last night and get another road win over a likely NCAA tournament team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2014 12:06 a.m.

    Way to grind it out Utah! This was a big one.

    Go Utes!

  • UU Provo, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:51 p.m.

    Ugly but valuable win.

    Ogbe and Fields need a little more playing time.

    Loveridge & Delon need to work on their outside shooting during the off season.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 5, 2014 11:42 p.m.

    At large prospects for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by both Bay Area teams.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:40 p.m.

    Delon is the best player in the state...and in the wcc.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    March 5, 2014 11:40 p.m.

    Uh oh! Cougar fans are not going to like this. Utah wins on the road against a very good Cal team who probably will go to the NCAA tournament.

    A road win against Stanford this weekend will put Utah back in the discussions for an at-large bid.

    The Pac-12 tournament will be exciting this year. Go Utes!

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    Congratulations to the University of Utah on their 20th win on the season!

    Go Utes!

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    Good work by the Utes; but, man, watching them play the last 90 seconds or so of any close game this year is like going to the dentist for root canal work.

    Still, its the big picture that matters and the arrow is pointed in the right direction.

    A W is a W, especially on the road.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    Great coaching and clutch free throws to close the game. Clutch threes by Taylor to keep them in it down the stretch. Good defense on Delon under the basket but he found other ways to be effective. Great all around player.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 5, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    Wow! All night we couldn't shoot free throws and make shots... down the stretch we couldn't miss free throws and a huge 3 point shot by Taylor to put Utah up for good.

    Good win! Currently in 6th place in the PAC-12. Now lets close out with a win over Stanford.

    Go UTES!!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    Great game, Utes! Despite some very questionable calls against them in the end, Utah hung in there and won a big game against a good Cal team on the road. Let's carry this over to Saturday at Stanford, then on to Vegas.

    Go Utes!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:25 p.m.

    Jon Crispin said it right: phantom "fouls" keeping the Bears in the game down the stretch, confusion on timeouts, missed 5 second call, worst officiating down the stretch EVER. Dave Hall is THE worst college official I've ever seen. Good to see the team keep composure and come away with it in the end, though.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    March 5, 2014 11:14 p.m.

    Sloppy would be an understatement. Two teams that can barely make it to 60 points.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    Utes WIN!

    Dancing is looking more and more likely each game.

    Naysayers, where are you now?

    Onward and upward to PAC 12 glory!

    I am so happy!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    And the prestigious PAC 12 utes get a huge road win over a tournament team to go above .500 in the second best conference in the nation. That is a big accomplishment.

    I've said it before and I will say it again. I love my PAC 12 membership!

    The naysayers said we would be last in the PAC 12

    And that we couldn't beat byU

    And that we couldn't beat ucla.

    And that we couldn't destroy asu

    And we couldn't beat cal on the road.

    And now we can't win the tournament?

    Ok!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    They need to start making free throws if they want to get this one.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    Utes up late in second half.

    Looks like we may be getting a HUGE road win.

    Onward and upward

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    A other great PAC 12 game against another likely tournament team.

    We are starting to get some bubble talk. Coach k has the guy peaking at the right time.

    Utah may make the PAC 12 a seven bid league if we win the tournament like coach k plans on doing.

    I'm going to the tournament to watch our boys bring home a dance ticket!

    Show up muss!

    Lets get this win utes!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:10 p.m.

    Someone else needs to be as aggressive inside as Onwas is. As strong and athletic as Prince is, the guy just can't make free throws. Hopefully he spends as much time at the free throw line this summer as he does in the weight room.