Enterprise and South Sevier should play a game to decide the 2A championship. WA
is clearly Ina higher league and should play in one.
I am sure the reporter is correct in assuming WA recruits students for their
basketball skills. It would be easy for him to now do an investigative piece
showing how this is done. There are certainly 15 and 16 year old boys all over
the world who would like to leave their very wealthy families and come to play
ball in the world renown hotbed of high school basketball known as "Utah
2A" basketball competition. These kids can look forward to two hour study
halls five days a week, and a life in rural Utah with all of its attractions
aimed at youth. You might also show that the school has so much excess cash that
they can throw it at these athletes at the expense of all other students. Yup,
you can easily show that 130+ years of recruiting is finally paying off for the
rich and spoiled.
@ Coolio"rural schools will refuse to play any other private school
that dares compete year in and year outWell, that is simply not
true. Layton Christian, St Josephs, Juan Diego, Judge...all very successful,
but obviously we aren't refusing to play them.But they also
generally have the same kids from Junior High on, just like the public schools.
They aren't out bringing in National Junior team members from other
countries, as WA is.WA isn't the problem. Private schools
aren't the problem. The problem is the way the UHSAA arranges things.
Thank you Doug Robinson for this article. Back in the day I am sure there are
many high school sports fans that remember Region 7 sports, and yes WA had a
basketball team - not a very good one . One particular season I remember both
Juab and Gunnison beating WA by 70-80 points. I don't remember their
religious affiliation but WA was owned by a church. Now that they have no
religious affiliation and a private school they make their own rules as for
admission, etc. The UHSAA needs to learn from the past and close some loop holes
so we avoid these issues.
If the 4a and 5a schools want to improve their basketball, they'll invite
WA to compete with them. Other than Lone Peak, the basketball in this state is
nothing exceptional. Having this situation has to be played to the advantage of
all. And, if WA loses against those 2 top divisions, they've improved their
BB too. It can't be that beneficial to WA to walk all over the 2a schools
either if they're really recruiting etc. win-win.
@CoolioHave you misunderstood what the real issue is?The
only issue here is that one school has a great advantage over the other 100+
schools in the state.Please don't try to paint a picture that
has no relevance.
Amazing that the UHSAA railroaded Wasatch Academy into independence. Now their
kids can't compete for a Region or State title.All Private
Schools should take notice of this. Because essentially it shows
that if you put a championship team on the floor rural schools like South Sevier
will discriminate against you and not play you. And on the other hand the UHSAA
will not allow you to play up in classification to avoid the discrimination.So to protect their students from the ugliness and constant attacks from
rural schools, Wasatch Academy has to sacrifice post season play.That's just wrong.And now that this precedent will be set,
rural schools will refuse to play any other private school that dares compete
year in and year out for a championship. South Sevier has proven you can refuse
to play a private school until they are forced into independence.Articles like this only add to the discrimination. It's one
thing to have to put up with the anti private rhetoric in the small towns, now
privates must endure it in the media.
@BooYa did Richfields boy's even make it to state last year? I think not.
Yeah private schools are the problem. I hate how 95 percent of them field teams
in multiple sports year after year and provide the smaller classification public
schools more teams to play. I hate how 95 percent of them struggle to put enough
kids on the courts and ball fields. I hate how 95% of them don't ever win
ANY games at the state tournament and yet they never complain about ANYTHING. I
hate that. Yeah, it's time to get rid of them ALL!!! Put them in their own
league, let them only compete against each other. We don't need them in our
rural towns. I mean 95% percent of them have won nothing in baseball,
basketball, and football. They offer no competition.
@ David RI"Terms like "expensive boarding schools" and
"Team United Nations" and "local" are offensive and backward
thinking." They are only offensive if one is offended by the
truth. I can see how some would see expressing the truth as backward thinking,
we seem to have made PC doublespeak the new "truth".The fact
us that private schools do operate differently. Public schools don't
advertise for students, private schools do.Not all private schools
are the same, so let's stop pointing out that many private schools
don't compete well, that has no bearing in the fact that this private
school is enjoying enormous success by playing within a set of flawed rules.
Other private schools have done the same, though not as successfully.In other states, there are different solutions to this type of problem, and it
works well. Why can't Utah use one of them?If the UHSAA
doesn't get this thing settled, Utah HS sports and the athletes...the
kids... will suffer.
Follow the money. And while I hate to agree with any Ute fan I do agree with
Utewins assessment of the situation in football. He forgot to mention
Cottonwood and Skyline back in the day.
A few years ago people accused the great SS Rams of recruiting. It was proven
before the UHSAA that there was no wrong doing. This has also been proven time
and time again as far as Wasatch Academy was concerned. Many have said have them
move up to 3A. That is not the solution. They would have beaten all of the 3A
teams by 20 or 30 instead of the 40 point differences than 2A. Don't be too
critical of Wasatch Academy. They play within the guidelines they were given,
just like every other school does.
Hartford, CT Since your entire state is smaller then the Watsatch front.
I should explain what things are like out here, and the distances we
travel to watch our teams.We support our little towns, no one drives their
child to go to a different school here. People in Monroe do not drive their
child to Gunnison to school it is a 45 minute drive. (With private
schools parents of more "giffted" students are offered scholarships that
will give their child a place to live and a guarantee of a state tittle with the
championship ring that comes with it. This makes the child able to apply to
university and practically guarantees them better scholarships to college. ) We drive 4 hours to watch a football game between San Juan and South
Sevier. If San Juan and North Summit are playing it will be a 6 hour drive over
high mountains.Enterprise and South Summit are almost as far apart.Most of us "country bumpkins" are fiercely loyal to our town and our
school, we go the distance. We can make the best of what we have, we
always do, but we can't compete with the money available to private
It sounds to me, from the article, that Wasatch Academy wants to move up in
classification. Since UHSSA won't allow them the exception they are
seeking to move to Independence. I don't like how this article makes
Wasatch Academy feel like a bully. A few years back, they weren't that
great. Then they got a new coach, someone determined to make things better.
Being a private school, he leveraged his recruiting abilities and now the team
is doing great. There is nothing wrong with that. They want the ability to
have even competition in all their sports, not just basketball, and that's
why they're not going to move their entire athletics program to a higher
classification. UHSSA needs to bend and change the rules to allow only
basketball to move up in classification, since they already have football
exceptions allowed.Let's just not make it sound like Wasatch
Academy is doing something wrong or unfair. Let the kids play and let's
find them the appropriate competition.
JD Books, thanks for your intelligent comment. I also hated the WA situation but
the issue is with WA not any other private school. LCA didn't even make it
past the first round. all this uninformed emotional and unhealthy attitudes
towards private schools is working against the public schools with the UHSAA.
Delta, Manti, Richfield are way larger then the rest of our little towns, yet
strangely they keep coming back down to 2A? I also do not trust the
Saying that they would have to move all sports up to the same level is so false
it is funny. Manti was moved to 3a for Football after dominating 2a schools.
This happened after all the 2a schools complained about Manti and how unfair it
was. The rest of Manti is 2a for all other sports. I love the fact checking
Utah, time to step up and get it right. It's time for private schools to
have their own state championship. They draw on so many other resources and
funds than do public schools. Texas and other states do it. Just do it--it
solves so many equality problems that you'll still be dealing with a long
way down the road.
The UHSAA should create a private school classification. They can schedule
whoever they want to. They might even consider having an at large opening for
the 4A and 5A tournament that would allow them to invite one of the private
schools to the state tournament. The private schools-including the Charter
Schools- won't always have the kind of team that WA has put together. So,
allowing them to participate in a state tournament by invitation because of the
success of their team during a particularly great year,could possibly create a
very interesting tournament every year. The rest of the private schools could
have their own state tournament.
The UHSAA can't create just a "private school" division because the
same problem would exist. How would a small private school like ICS compete with
Layton Christian or Wasatch academy in basketball or other sports? It would be
no different that taking Bingham and having them play North Sevier in football.
Going independent is the best thing for Wasatch Academy. Let's now forget
they have an elite coach now. However, he will most likely leave in the next few
years and will their success leave with him? If so, will the UHSAA take them
back into the fold as a 2A basketball member? Basketball Independence is a short
term band aid for this particular situation but it does not ultimately solve the
We should not that Judge Memorial DID win a football championship this school
year, in the small-school 3aa division, where they played the smaller rural
schools.Judge should be commended for moving up to 4a, where they
are very competitive. Their football team should have followed, at least to 3a.
Somewhat of a disconnect to see them playing the small rural schools.
How is this any different than what Timpview,East,and Bingham are doing in
football with their creation of all-star teams that do not live in their
It doesn't make sense. If Wasatch wants to be "elite", why would
they ever want to stay in 2A. They should be the loudest in demanding a
change.Otherwise, beating up small kids won't provide much
fulfillment for long.
I don't like the idea of them going independent, I believe that it will
eventually destroy the high school game. I think you will end up with teams
leaving to go to the private league, and the best players will leave the high
schools. I hope that never happens but I think this is the beginning. Why don't they make a rule that if a private school beats it's
opponents in its classification by an average of 15 points for one year or so ,
then you have to move up 1 classification, 25 points two classifications, etc.
You could set standards for all sports.I hope they don't
destroy the high school game, but I don't have much faith in the UHSSA.
The High School Activities association should have a private school league.
@MovieBuff1 - You have a good point there.
This hurts WA more than anyone else, put them with similar competition so they
can be challenged and improve. Why won't the state make the exception for
them? 4a and 5a don't want to deal with them. That's all there is to
it. The UHSAA will bend over backwards for 4a and 5a and 4a and 5a don't
want WA so they'll just have to go independent.
The teachers in private schools still have to get their license from the State
Government. Public schools are ran by local School District boards so parents
have a lot of say, especially in small towns. There's nothing wrong with
public education. Not everyone can afford to go to Wasatch Academy(unless they
get a scholarship because they're good at basketball). We aren't
talking about the academics though, we're talking about fair athletic
competition. If we allow a 2a school to draw from a world wide population we
might as well not have classifications. The whole point of classifications is to
even the playing field and make things more interesting. 5a is 5a because they
have a larger population to draw on, and 2a public schools don't.
Here's a question .. if the recruiting has always been about academics why
don't we ever see any Wasatch Academy Players as Academic All-State??
Anybody ever wonder that?
Those poor private school kids. Some of them can't have their cake and eat
it too. That must be hard! They want the perks of a private education, but
they want the taxpayers to foot the bill for gyms, weight rooms, etc. And they
want to draw athletes from all over the SL Valley, or Utah County, or in Wasatch
Academy's case, all of the world, and then steam roll over teams that draw
from a couple hundred local yokels in rural Utah. Open enrollment
has ruined high school athletics in urban Utah, and private schools competing
with rural schools will continue to ruin high school sports in rural Utah. For
those relegated to public school, play where you live! For those fortunate
enough to go to private schools, play where competition is comparable!
Wasatch Academy basketball is a very different animal and I think the UHSAA was
very naive in their thinking on the situation. I suspect the Wasatch Academy
Administration sees the basketball program as a way to promote their school and
give it some sort of an edge in marketing to the crowd that they are pursuing,
in essence they have created a nationally recognized basketball prep school,
something new for Utah but nothing new if you read the national news. This
should have become evident to the UHSAA pretty quickly and they should have
forced the issue with WA.. go independent or go to the highest state level,
something to that effect. Hopefully now, the UHSAA will take the blinders off
and think outside the box
@Coolio - You mention all the perks that are found in a public school, like
"gyms and weight rooms"; I would mention the perks of a private school
who was able to play out of state in not one, but two tournaments. (one being in
Alaska). Pease name one other public school, besides Lone Peak, who was able to
Another problem with the tone of this article. It paints private schools and
student recruitment as the problem, when open enrollment is a FACT in public
schools. Utah public schools are behind the rest of the nation in
regards to education. Our public schools are in the latter half of states in
Math and Reading. What's interesting about this is that Utah is the most
conservative state in America. Interesting because when the state had a vote on
the "conservative" ideology of vouchers it was defeated. So instead of
giving CHOICE to our citizens in regards to education we voted NO. The cry was
for more taxpayer money to fund GOVERNMENT schools. The irony in that is
amazing. Utahn's value conservative principles yet cling to
their government schools. There whole way of life centers around them as this
article points out.Utah needs to catch up. We need to start looking
at the value of private education, like we value private business. It can be
part of the solution. It has much to offer. Free thinking, diversity, and
independence. If they happen to win a title or two, include them, don't
exclude, build friendships, diversify.
Why won't the UHSAA make the exception for them then?
What a slam on private education. Utah can only go backwards with the ideology
expressed in this article. A few remarks from the article, and I'll
paraphrase...High school basketball is better when you are
"competing against teams made up of locals""Now a ringer
has arrived on the scene, an expensive boarding school." "Team United Nations has put a powerhouse on the court." "And what about the potential of other private schools, which, like
Wasatch Academy, can recruit and scholarship students (who happen to be good
athletes)?"Well, Mr. Robinson, what about public schools and
their potential to recruit?He also goes on to justify South Sevier
refusing to play WA for 4 quarters, because in the state tourney when they did,
they lost by 37 points. I see his point, if you lose by more than 17 points you
should just quit. What about the private schools the past 5 years in 1A who are
losing by 80 points to public schools. Did they hold the ball? No. Where is the
article on public school domination in those games? 80 points? There has to be
an advantage?Terms like "expensive boarding schools" and
"Team United Nations" and "local" are offensive and backward
So this was the pro-public school article that gave no facts about win loss
percentages between Public and Private schools. An article that spoke nothing
about the taxpayer funded gyms, weight rooms, and other public advantages. Spoke
nothing about the underfunded private schools that can't even afford to buy
uniforms and have no gyms of their own to even practice in. When is the
pro-private school article coming out?This isn't the first time
Mr. Robinson has lashed out at private schools, he did it before when a private
won it back in the early 2000's. Facts are not important I
guess. There are at least 15 private schools competing in 1A-4A basketball this
year. how many advanced to the final four in their state tournaments? Only one,
Wasatch Academy. But Mr. Robinson speaks the tired old argument the private
schools play by an unfair advantage and take dreams away from small town kids. I
guess private school kids don't have dreams. Truth is, it
doesn't matter if a private school wins a title with 15 kids that went to
that school k-12. The public's will whine, even when they have recruits.
Dear Washington D.C.: No, that is not the answer. Not even close.Students should be allowed to (and are) attend any school that they want for
educational purposes. But athletics are a privilege, it has been proven in U.S.
courts that playing extra-curricular sports is not a right. For that reason we
need to go to a "play where you live" rule and eliminate the recruiting.
It is totally out of hand.As for the 4A and 5A comment, they are not
scared of Wasatch Academy. Bring them up and see how long they last playing a 21
game regular season against the bigger physical teams and then have to go
through 4 straight wins against top talented and top coached teams. They
won't last, trust me. Bring them up and see, I am all for it.
4A and 5A are scared of Wasatch Academy, and the UHSAA is scared of the noise 4A
and 5A would make about having to deal with Wasatch Academy. That's why
they won't make an exception for them like they did for Judge, JD, Manti,
Delta, Kanab, etc.
Why does judge football play in 3A and not 3AA and all other sports in 4A??????
And Manti who lost the championship game to judge in football plays all other
sports in 2A. Does not make any sense. Then Wasatch Academy request the boys
basketball move up for more competition gets denied?????
The mess created from that decision has spilled the smaller 3A football schools
down to 2A in everything else. How is that fair to anyone, especially the in
between schools who compete in 3A in everything, like Juab, N. Sanpete, Canyon
View and Richfield to name a few. Clean it up UHSAA do the right thing even if
it is unprecedented and while you're at it no more schools in split
classifications, unless its allowing 1A schools to play 2A baseball because they
also have a football program and can't compete during the traditional fall
1A baseball season.
What a crock! The UHSAA allows split classifications for schools already. For
example Delta and Manti play football at the 3A level while the rest of their
sports compete in 2A. The UHSAA doesn't have a leg to stand on when they
make say its all have to move up or none can. The Judge example given in this
story again shows it doesn't have to be all or none. The entire 3AA
football classification is another strong example of schools competing in
different classifications, considering all the schools from 3AA football compete
in 3A in all other sports.
All the talk about the supposed "evils" of recruiting in the high school
ranks never mention one very important item: a student developing their
talents. It all about the "social impact," "self-esteem,"
"community Pride" and other squishy measures.I really
don't care if Wasatch Academy is recruiting NBA stars - if the students
feel that is the best situation to develop their talents, let them go there. If
any student feels a different school is a better place to develop their talents,
let them go there. The focus should be on the student, and helping them
develop. Schools should be able to freely recruit, and students
should be able to have freedom on where to attend. It is time to end rules
against recruiting in Utah and elsewhere. Ultimately, they hurt the student
athletes, and let school administrators get away with poor performance.
WHO was the last team to beat them in the 2A ranks?Thats Right!!!