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Published: Tuesday, March 4 2014 10:30 p.m. MST

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kvnsmnsn
Springville, UT

Visitor from California posted:

=Live your own lives as you see fit, but the principle of separation of church
=and state means that no one religion gets to define how all the rest of us
=live. LDS members would be wise to remember that they too are members of a
=minority, and the protections afforded to minority groups by our Constitution
=deserve the defense offered by the businesses described in this article.

We too indeed "are members of a minority," with an alternate sexual lifestyle to boot! The LDS Church was dragged kicking and screaming away from its alternate sexual lifestyle, nearly legislated out of existence because of it, and yet we're supposed to be happy now that the sexual lifestyle of gays and lesbians is almost granted legal marriage status? I have no problem whatsoever with legalizing marriage for gays and lesbians, but first I want the US government to admit that they were wrong when they pressured the LDS Church into heterosexual monogamy back in the late 1800s.

Kevin S

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@JSB
"There are people who wouldn't want to take their children into a business (like a restaurant) if there are gay men holding hands or kissing each other."

Kinda the same as when straight couples do that too. And if your issue is as trivial as holding hands well... what do you even recommend gay people do with relationships in public? Don't feel, conceal, don't let them know? Make one wrong move and everyone will know?

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Ranch -

Maybe you should ask Gay Smith what she thinks of your word choice before you criticize others for their word choice.

Your word choice tells a lot about your thinking on the subject, and on your inability to consider the feelings of others.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Maudine

Other churches aren't trying to force their doctrines onto others?

For months and months churches including the Unitarian/Universalist Church, the United Church of Christ and the United Methodist Church lobbied and worked to pass Obamacare, a program which has caused millions of Americans to lose their health insurance, and, despite numerous promises, many did lose their doctors as well, even if they didn't want to lose them.

How is this not forcing your beliefs onto others?

Then of course there are the editorials, protests and petition drives which result anytime someone says something at the LDS General Conference they don't like. If you honestly believe these tactics of intimidation are not intended to force the LDS Church to change its doctrine or beliefs, then you clearly have a double standard in your definition.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Visitor from California

Does the principle of separation of church and state apply to all churches, or only churches with whom you disagree with politically?

Funny how when a few months ago, when a large number of religious leaders from Utah called for increase in Medicaid funding, no one yelled, "Separation of church and state," on that one.

Can anyone say, "Double Standard?"

fireman
PAYSON, UT

Some very wise men once said:"The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalm 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another, observe the commandments of God, and be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations."

May God bless all His children!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

May God bless all His children!
...after your pious statement, I find it hard to believe you.

"will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations."
Threats about the after life only work on those who agree with you.

And what about religions that believe in SSM, oh yeah they believe the wrong religion so their beliefs get trumped by the majority religion in Utah ...again

@Badger, really their the minority so we should abuse them? Trouble for you is more people back freedom, then bullies

Avenue
Vernal, UT

To those of you who do not know how bad SSM is for the country, I would like to quote a few scriptures.

"We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets." (The Family: A Proclamation to the World)

Mosiah 29:27 "And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."

Bob K
portland, OR

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT
"Support for same-sex marriage is increasingly motivated by fear. Fear of either government or media retaliation if one even hints they are against same-sex marriage.
If you think I am paranoid, answer me this question then, just as an example. Why do we never hear about churches being investigated by the IRS for openly supporting same-sex marriage while those who openly oppose it are investigated all the time?"

--- You are kidding,right? Where did you hear this lie?
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Avenue
Vernal, UT
To those of you who do not know how bad SSM is for the country, I would like to quote a few scriptures.

xxxxxx (The Family: A Proclamation to the World)

Mosiah 29:27 xxxxxx

Please write back when the Constitution of the United States of America is governed by a mormon policy statement and a quote from the book of mormon.

Who in the world is ANY man or woman to place what he would be comfortable with, according to his religion, over the rights of other taxpaying citizens?

TheTrueVoice
West Richland, WA

I see it has come down to many who oppose equal civil rights for all are now just quoting scripture, and wringing your hands about "tradition".

This is fine, of course, if it helps those who need assistance in coming to grips with the more modern world.

As long as you understand, however, that your scriptures, 'holy' documents, etc. have absolutely no bearing, no impact, no effect with regard to properly treating all Utahns equally under civil law and the US Constitution.

ALL Utahns... not just the majority.

@Karen R: "Wow, some of the comments here...Don't look now, but your animus is showing."

Precisely so! In fact, some of the page one comments are unbridled animus... a bit surprised that DN mods allowed some them through...

Avenue
Vernal, UT

@ Bob K
Please write back when the State of Utah, which obviously has a large LDS population, is governed by large corporations and will be okay with being forced to accept something against their religion.
About my earlier comment, I was simply warning the good people in this great country of ours of the big mistake they are making, using evidence from my own religion.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

@Avenue who wrote:
"Please write back when the State of Utah, which obviously has a large LDS population, is governed by large corporations..."

Just make your check payable to "The Corporation of the President".

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

Jesus will be crying as he reads these briefs. I weep with him. Our lord and christ have been forsaken.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@JSB
"There are people who wouldn't want to take their children into a business (like a restaurant) if there are gay men holding hands or kissing each other."

Back in the 70s my uncle refused to eat in any restaurant that served black people, and at a family reunion in a state park he refused to allow his kids to swim in the lake because there were black families there, and some were swimming.

He harmed his family and tried to instill bigotry into his children. One of his granddaughters is now married to an African American man. My uncle refused to attend the wedding and refuses to go to family events that include his granddaughter's husband. Everyone else sees the young man as family.

In another few years Gay couples will be part of the landscape, no more remarkable than any other couple, and the few who hold onto their fear and prejudice will be sad relics.

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