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Published: Wednesday, March 5 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

YEP!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Yep -- it's ALL Obama's fault.
Uh-huh...

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

What do you have to hide?
That's what I was told when I objected to Cheney and Bush pushing this act thru practically overnight.
But yeah it's all Obama's fault.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

A little history is needed here. The FBI, CIA, and Justice Departments of the U.S. were in fact used to abuse American citizens back when Richard Nixon was doing his Watergate thing. The existance of these organizations, including the NSA, is not the issue. They can be used for both good and bad. The question becomes what is a current administration doing with them. In Obamas case we know we can add to the list of questionable activities the IRS. That is why we might need to keep an eye on Obama. With a more honest "OPEN" president, we would not need to worry as much. But, with the Justice Department and Obama administration picking and choosing which laws to bother to enforce and which to ignore, these organizations can be corrupted, much like the Nixon example.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Whenever a program like this is envisioned, we need to be sure (100% sure) that we are comfortable with its scope and reach if handled exclusively by the party we disagree with most. If not, then it must be trimmed back to that point.

David King
Layton, UT

It's frustrating to see these type of letters almost always result in the same kind of cookie cutter responses.

A person will complain about a policy and lay it almost entirely at the feet of President Obama.

Several commenters respond with "where were you when Bush was doing the same thing?"

What neither of these two groups seem to realize is that this type of thinking always leads to a continuation of the policy they claim to oppose.

If you don't think the NSA should be spying on American citizens, then fight against it. Stop trying to turn it into a Republican/Democrat issue when it isn't one.

Your partisan bickering only guarantees that the policy will remain in place well into the future.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

David King
Layton, UT

Agreed --

But it's a little difficult to sitdown, shake-hands and be friends with those who called me - a Veteran - the worst of names such as an Un-Patriotic, America Traitor for 8 years when I protested the Patriot Act under Bush ---
only to have then fip-flop, about-face, 180
and not accuse, blame and bemoan Pres. Obama for it - or, for not stopping it.

BTW -- I was against it during Bush,
I'm still against it under Obama.

What's wrong is wrong, regardless of political ideologies....
but that does work with Close Minded Ditto-heads.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Obama has clearly taken government surveillance to the next level and done things that Richard Nixon only dreamt of. Watergate was a crude, bungled joke compared to the WH abuses in the IRS during the last election. The Clintons used FBI files to intimidate opponents. But, this is a different world than the Nixon era and technology must keep pace with the complexities of national security. Those needs must also stay within constitutional bounds and have the ultimate purpose of national security and not harassing political opponents. When any data is stored by the government it is tempting for those in power to use it during an election cycle. The much touted transparency promised by Mr. Obama has never materialized.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I think we should all get together and give each other a giant huge..... and sing songs around the camp fire. Lets just all be friends. All the bad people will see just how good we are, and promise to play nice.

BTW.... do we really think this kind of stuff started in the last 10 years? Have we forgotten the how internment camps for Japanese Americans? Of the house committee for un-American activities? Do you really think Americans keeping tabs on Americans is something new? There are plenty examples of this kind of stuff happening - the means have change, but not the drivers behind them.

This is why paying attention in history class actually pays off.

"Its Obama's fault".... good grief. I suppose Obama was to blame for the Extraordinary Rendition programs as well.... he is probably the one who told the Japanese to bomb Hawaii as well.... he is just that evil.....

David King
Layton, UT

@LDS Liberal

Thanks for providing an example of the point I was making. I commend you for being consistent in your stand, and condemn any use of insults or claims of "traitor" used against you.

But please notice how you chose to finish your comment. It's name-calling, and the cycle continues.

As long as these issues are more about scoring partisan points, we'll make very little progress.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

LDS Liberal

You made some good points until your revealed that you are also inflexible (my way or the highway) when you conclude by name calling me and millions of others, as a narrow minded ditto heads. Don't you realize that to do that only negates your argument? And you call yourself liberal. Just what is the definition of liberal today? Because in the past I always understood it to mean people who look at others opinions with respect, and are tolerant of people they might disagree with, and are open minded to the possibility that they might be wrong and can change their opinion when warrented. I know as a conservative I've changed mine many times when better information is available.

Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

re: UtahBlueDevil

"BTW.... do we really think this kind of stuff started in the last 10 years? Have we forgotten the how internment camps for Japanese Americans? Of the house committee for un-American activities? Do you really think Americans keeping tabs on Americans is something new? There are plenty examples of this kind of stuff happening - the means have change, but not the drivers behind them.

This is why paying attention in history class actually pays off."

Agreed. What about Lincoln suspending Habeus Corpus? The Alien & Sedition acts?

Those who can't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

eprobe123
salt lake city, UT

I am the letter's author. When I worked for a newspaper, I learned writers don't compose headlines. Editors compose headlines. I didn't advocate for dismantling the NSA, I advocated for an end to the NSA's domestic mass surveillance programs. It's not a big deal but I want my intent to be clear.

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