I am the letter's author. When I worked for a newspaper, I learned writers
don't compose headlines. Editors compose headlines. I didn't advocate
for dismantling the NSA, I advocated for an end to the NSA's domestic mass
surveillance programs. It's not a big deal but I want my intent to be
re: UtahBlueDevil"BTW.... do we really think this kind of stuff
started in the last 10 years? Have we forgotten the how internment camps for
Japanese Americans? Of the house committee for un-American activities? Do you
really think Americans keeping tabs on Americans is something new? There are
plenty examples of this kind of stuff happening - the means have change, but not
the drivers behind them.This is why paying attention in history
class actually pays off."Agreed. What about Lincoln suspending
Habeus Corpus? The Alien & Sedition acts?Those who can't
learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
LDS LiberalYou made some good points until your revealed that you
are also inflexible (my way or the highway) when you conclude by name calling me
and millions of others, as a narrow minded ditto heads. Don't you realize
that to do that only negates your argument? And you call yourself liberal.
Just what is the definition of liberal today? Because in the past I always
understood it to mean people who look at others opinions with respect, and are
tolerant of people they might disagree with, and are open minded to the
possibility that they might be wrong and can change their opinion when
warrented. I know as a conservative I've changed mine many times when
better information is available.
@LDS LiberalThanks for providing an example of the point I was
making. I commend you for being consistent in your stand, and condemn any use
of insults or claims of "traitor" used against you.But
please notice how you chose to finish your comment. It's name-calling, and
the cycle continues.As long as these issues are more about scoring
partisan points, we'll make very little progress.
I think we should all get together and give each other a giant huge..... and
sing songs around the camp fire. Lets just all be friends. All the bad people
will see just how good we are, and promise to play nice.BTW.... do
we really think this kind of stuff started in the last 10 years? Have we
forgotten the how internment camps for Japanese Americans? Of the house
committee for un-American activities? Do you really think Americans keeping
tabs on Americans is something new? There are plenty examples of this kind of
stuff happening - the means have change, but not the drivers behind them.This is why paying attention in history class actually pays off."Its Obama's fault".... good grief. I suppose Obama was to
blame for the Extraordinary Rendition programs as well.... he is probably the
one who told the Japanese to bomb Hawaii as well.... he is just that evil.....
Mr. Obama has clearly taken government surveillance to the next level and done
things that Richard Nixon only dreamt of. Watergate was a crude, bungled joke
compared to the WH abuses in the IRS during the last election. The Clintons used
FBI files to intimidate opponents. But, this is a different world than the Nixon
era and technology must keep pace with the complexities of national security.
Those needs must also stay within constitutional bounds and have the ultimate
purpose of national security and not harassing political opponents. When any
data is stored by the government it is tempting for those in power to use it
during an election cycle. The much touted transparency promised by Mr. Obama has
David KingLayton, UTAgreed -- But it's a
little difficult to sitdown, shake-hands and be friends with those who called me
- a Veteran - the worst of names such as an Un-Patriotic, America Traitor for 8
years when I protested the Patriot Act under Bush --- only to have then
fip-flop, about-face, 180 and not accuse, blame and bemoan Pres. Obama for
it - or, for not stopping it.BTW -- I was against it during Bush,
I'm still against it under Obama.What's wrong is
wrong, regardless of political ideologies....but that does work with Close
It's frustrating to see these type of letters almost always result in the
same kind of cookie cutter responses.A person will complain about a
policy and lay it almost entirely at the feet of President Obama.Several commenters respond with "where were you when Bush was doing the
same thing?"What neither of these two groups seem to realize is
that this type of thinking always leads to a continuation of the policy they
claim to oppose.If you don't think the NSA should be spying on
American citizens, then fight against it. Stop trying to turn it into a
Republican/Democrat issue when it isn't one.Your partisan
bickering only guarantees that the policy will remain in place well into the
Whenever a program like this is envisioned, we need to be sure (100% sure) that
we are comfortable with its scope and reach if handled exclusively by the party
we disagree with most. If not, then it must be trimmed back to that point.
A little history is needed here. The FBI, CIA, and Justice Departments of the
U.S. were in fact used to abuse American citizens back when Richard Nixon was
doing his Watergate thing. The existance of these organizations, including the
NSA, is not the issue. They can be used for both good and bad. The question
becomes what is a current administration doing with them. In Obamas case we
know we can add to the list of questionable activities the IRS. That is why we
might need to keep an eye on Obama. With a more honest "OPEN"
president, we would not need to worry as much. But, with the Justice Department
and Obama administration picking and choosing which laws to bother to enforce
and which to ignore, these organizations can be corrupted, much like the Nixon
What do you have to hide?That's what I was told when I objected to
Cheney and Bush pushing this act thru practically overnight.But yeah
it's all Obama's fault.
Yep -- it's ALL Obama's fault.Uh-huh...