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Published: Tuesday, March 4 2014 6:48 p.m. MST

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FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

I'm sure if Bush were still in charge we would have boots on the ground right now. In New Zealand.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

what foreign policy? Gut the military and make silly red lines in the sand? Putin is steam rolling Barack and so will China. Obama is a joke to them as was Jimmy Carter to the old USSR.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

This is not a matter of the UNITED STATES of America.
If anything, it is a matter for the United Nations.

I'm sick and tired of Conservatives thinking the President {currently Obama] and America is the King and Police State for the entire planet.

If Russina attacks us, then it's our problem
If Crimea attacks us,
If Syria attacks us,
If Iran attacks us,
If anyone attacks us -- then it's our problem.

otherwise...

Bush and his $3 Trillion

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Both Romney and Palin expressed serious concern over Russia. Barack has always been dismissive of this risk, which we have seen has come to fruition.

Mountanman
Victor, ID

@ Open minded Mormon. What if Al Qaida attacks us and they are not a nation but an ideology from several nations? Get it?

lket
Bluffdale, UT

military action is impossible if you know history ask the germans and the french. it is so far away and no one is willing to send their own armies why should we. they would wipe us out anyway supply is next to impossible that far away. sanctions only do so much they have the money to buy elsewhere.
they are doing this to see what we will do and we should be diplomatic, first anyway.

Uncle Rico
Sandy, UT

President Obama's weak position on foreign affairs and lack of leadership has encouraged many governments to disregard the United States. Don't blame me folks, i didn't vote for him.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mountanman
Victor, ID
@ Open minded Mormon. What if Al Qaida attacks us and they are not a nation but an ideology from several nations? Get it?

11:14 a.m. March 4, 2014

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I "get it" Mountanman,
unlike so many of you war mongers on these boards -- I'm a Military Veteran and can speak from experience.

FYI --
What IF Al Queda attacked us?,
Pres Obama was able to take out the guy responsible for it using Intelligence, Navy Seals, a couple helicopters in PAKISTAN.

and we know, Sarah Palin is a Foreign policy expert because she claims to be able to see Russia from her house.

BTW -- I work for the Department of DEFENSE, not Offense.
Why don't you Walk the Talk and put some of your own skin and money in the game.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

BO's foreign policy"

WHAT foreign policy?

a world apology tour to start your administration does nothing to enhance our standing in the eyes of the world's bullies.

constant dithering does nothing to enhance our standing in the eyes of the world's bullies

empty threats and red lines that amount to nothing do nothing to enhance our standing in the eyes of the world's bullies

Richie
Saint George, UT

@open minded Mormon. You and Nevill Chamberlin would have made great buddies. The only difference is that Hitler didn't have the range to attack us but Putin and all his cronies in North Korea, China and Iran can put a nuke in your back yard and Obama can't do anything to stop them.

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

@Open Minded Mormon - The UN is neither a shield nor a broadsword. Over half their funding and troops are supplied by the United States. The UN is the world's Better Business Bureau. Countries participate because it looks bad if they don't but the UN has little authority when it comes to actually influencing a country's behavior. Just ask the Tutsi Rwandans how helpful the UN was when nearly 800,000 of them were killed. Or the people of Kosovo? So who does that leave? The EU? They're an economic coalition with no military power. In fact, most European countries view their military as a defensive measure and only fund it as such.

I'm not saying we should rush in and intervene. Obviously diplomacy should be the first action in any situation like this. But when it comes to defending other nations, one of the few countries that has the resources to do it besides the USA is currently the one that's mobilizing it's troops on the Ukrainian border. Other countries like to deride us for intervening, but when things go south, why do they always ask why WE didn't do anything?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The article asks the wrong question. The proper question we should be asking is: Has the conservative war of 24/7 hate against President Obama saddened our foreign friends and emboldened our enemies.

When such a large contingent of Americans rise up against our President and work openly to prevent him from doing anything, could it not have effect on foreign peoples?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Mountanman
Victor, ID

Uncle Rico
Sandy, UT

Richie
Saint George, UT

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

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I'll ask again --
What branch of the Armed Forced you have served in?

I grow tired of guys like you instantly calling for Military action each everytime there is a situation in the world and think bombs and troops are the only answer,
using other people or other people's kids,
other people's money,
when they have NEVER done so themselves.

If you can tell me precisely who attacked us,
or
who is attacking our Constitution and I will gladly throw myself on a gernade.

BTW --
I do not waste my time and other people lives listening to the partisan rants for ratings by NON-military college drop-outs on the radio.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

What would we have done if in, say 1970, it looked like Russia had convinced Canada to join the Warsaw pact?

That is the situation we have created by expanding NATO and the EU to the former Soviet Republics. Many foreign policy experts, Republican and Democrat, warned that boxing Russia in like this would be certain to provoke a response. Now that we have been recruiting their next door neighbor, it has finally happened.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

I know that it is so hard for Obama supporters to see him fail, yet again!

But wake up to the facts, please!

I don't really care if the world sees Obama as weak, or wonderful, or anything else. It doesn't matter. He has a limited time left as president and then he goes away. He is a blip on the radar of history.

What I care about is how the world regards the United States of America. Obama has tarnished the way the world sees us, as a nation. He has diminished our respect. If we are not respected, we are vulnerable. I hope my country can survive, and I hope we are not going to be plunged into a reignited cold war with Russia. The last one was very expensive, and not just in dollars.

southmtnman
Provo, UT

Open Minded Mormon,

Thank you for your service. Your calling out the "arm-chair quarterbacks" is legit.

Amazing that so many commenters demonize both Obama and Putin. Those who do so engage in dangerous rhetoric that is at once simple-minded and ignorant.

Neither Obama nor Putin created this crisis. At the risk of oversimplifying, there has been political unrest in Ukraine for some time, with ethnic Ukrainians desiring to join the EU, and ethnic Russians desiring to ally with Russia, both for economic and political reasons.

Yanukovych won the highly contested 2010 election, further solidified the ideological split in Ukraine. Then the Parliament of Ukraine acted rashly and unconstitutionally ousting Yanukovych, who favors alliance with Russia rather than the EU. He also received threats on his life.

Putin, the Russian Defense Ministry, and the Russian Parliament agreed to act in order to protect Yanukovych, ethnic Russians in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, as well as their Black Sea Fleet. Their actions have been consistent with Putin's statements that they hope to avoid violence.

Demonizing anyone on either side accomplishes nothing productive. Both sides have legitimate concerns and claims, and this must be resolved by diplomacy, not war mongering.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@Open Minded Mormon,

I was in Iraq 2003-2004 with the US Army (89D). I completely agree with you. It seems like every time someone says "Boo" in some far off land, our right-leaning friends are ready to send in the troops and start blasting. With no plan, no strategy, no concern for repercussions. Just so we can look "tough". I work for a defense contractor now. You will also notice that they never propose anything concrete. Just the opposite of whatever President Obama suggests.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Open Minded Mormon

It's not about throwing grenades guy - it IS about understanding how to deal with a dangerous world and Barack clearly has neither the will nor the understanding.

Here is a history lesson for you. In 1980 Reagan took over a weak and unsuspected US as Commander and Chief. Carter had made a mockery of the US. Reagan knew how to deal with the USSR then - PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH. UN style speeches that Obama gives just get laughed at by Russia, China, Iran and the other thug nations. Reagan built up the US military AND our nuclear force and the USSR couldn't keep pace plus they knew Reagan - unlike weak little Jimmy Carter - was a force to reckon with. The cold war ended BECAUSE of the principle of PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH. Was there a war with the USSR? Note didn't want or need one. Just needed a REAL military force which would deter aggression.

Your weak little socialist president today - like Jimmy Carter - is laughed at by Russia and China. When the bear has nothing to fear the bear will terrorize the world and that my friend is what is happening.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

You'll receive no response from those folks, in fact last time someone brought up this inconvenient truth they were chastised as being "proud," instead of thanked for their service.

I think the love that conservatives have for Putin has emboldened putin.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Woops their goes that treaty we signed with Ukraine, they gave up and disarmed their nuclear weapons, and we were to defend them from invasion. According to our treaty with the Ukraine, Russia has attacked us. Every country in the world is looking at what they gave up to have a treaty with the US, and realizing they have been sold down the river. We don’t need troops on the ground, just ship all that used equipment from Afgan and Iraq and drop it off in Ukraine. How trusting were the Ukrainians, in one of the bases in Crimea, the trapped soldiers have no weapons, a few of the officers have some handguns.

Military and college do not equate to intelligence and wisdom. Continual berating about it is not conducive to a honest discussion of ideas. It just becomes a partisan rant with nothing behind it.

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