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Published: Monday, March 3 2014 8:30 p.m. MST

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Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

Van Noy's and Hoffman's combine numbers were embarrassing. They reflect a poor job by BYU's staff in preparing their players for future employment. Pres. Hinckley stated that a priesthood holders number one job is to provide for their family. (Semi-annual Leadership Training). The NFL is the means of providing for these players. I am extremely disappointed on BYU's coaching staff and program.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Rational, not that I'm defending BYU's coaches as great at preparing players for the pros, but once the season is over, they really have very little impact on a player's training for the combine or pro day. Players contract with training companies to help them workout and prepare for combine drills. The responsibility falls on them, not the coaches.

loganma1
Orem, UT

Sadly, some teams go solely on the "measurables" at the combine when they draft. Those teams usually are terrible (e.g. Raiders). Speed and strength are important, but so are many of the immeasuables. Can the guy play? Is he humble and coachable? Can he play through nicks and pains? Can he learn things well enough that he just reacts without having to think? These are the important questions. If the guy can do those things he will stick. That is why so many free agents and lower round picks have great careers. Seattle's defense is a testament to finding guys that can play in later rounds. That is why the draft is such a crap shoot. J. Clowney should be an all-pro for many years, yet he is a prospect with many question marks. Good luck to all the guys from the state of Utah. Represent well.

Reno Cougs Fan 68
Reno, NV

Rational,
Are you serious? Even middle to late rounder's sign contracts worth millions of dollars!!! Kyle is engaged and looking to have a family, not exactly going to be a free spending party boy!!! If they are careful and use their degree after they are done playing then providing for their families should not be a problem!!! Most coaches and players know that with only 32 teams in the NFL the slots are few so they make other plans for after college playing days are over!!!

Good luck to Kyle and the rest that are still reaching for the stars!!!

Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

@loganma1

You said "Sadly, some teams go solely on the "measurables" at the combine when they draft." I imagine that was not the tune of most BYU fans last year which Ziggy Ansah shot up the mock draft boards.

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

RBN-

You must not have seen Ansah play. He displayed a lot more than the combine "measurables."

So I don't think the BYU fans have changed the tune.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

Of'a-Sofa for Su'a-Filo!!!

Go Xav!

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

@Old but not stupid
Ansah was drafted very high in the first round specifically due to his measurables aka speed, size, strength, athletisism etc etc. His production was marginal and erratic compared to his draft position.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Rational

So does that also mean that BYU's coaches deserve the credit for Daniel Sorenson's combine preformance which was the most impressive of any defensiveback at the entire combine? He blew away numbers that hadn't been touched in a decade. Of course according to stg he wasn't any good but utah "fans" know more than NFL scouts anyway.

Stop The Nonsense
El Paso, TX

@Rational - you have cherry-picked your data by ignoring how Daniel Sorenson completely destroyed everyone at the combine. I'm not saying that BYU coaches are the best at preparing their players for the NFL, but I am saying that you have to give credit where credit is due. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the bulk of that preparation is done on an individual basis with personal trainers, as was mentioned by StGtoSLC. At the college level, I think the coaches are more about the X's and O's than the strength/conditioning (unless you are talking about the strength and conditioning staff, in which case I would somewhat agree with you).

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

I would love to see the Seahawks get Su'a-Filo. Unfortunately he will be long gone by pick #32.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gonefishn

You are incorrect. The detroit Lions coaching staff coached the team Ansah played for in the sr bowl. He kiled it performance wise at the sr bowl and made an impression on them there. That, more than his measurables, lead to his high draft position. But he probably would have been drafted by someone else within the next few pics based on his measurables.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

@Duckhunter

How in the world can you say that Sorenson "had a combine performance which was the most impressive of any defensive back at the entire combine?"

Clearly, he had the top times in the 3 cone, 20 yd shuttle, and 60 yd shuttle for safeties. But, among safeties his 40 time was 15th, bench was 12th, vertical jump was not in top 15, and broad jump was 15th.

I would say he had a nice combine, but not even close to the "most impressive of any defensive back". Comparatively, McGill's 40 was much faster, his vertical 7 inches higher, and his broad 15 inches longer.

I hope Sorenson and McGill get drafted, but let's be realistic and honest about the results from the Combine.

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

gonefishn-

Duckhunter pretty much shot (pun intended) down your illogical attack (his selection "specifically due to measurables..") on my statement.

RBN
I'm sure we don't agree on much--even politics. I would suggest for your consideration that McGill's performance on what I'd call linear or "straight ahead" measures clearly were better than Sorensen's.

However, those linear measures don't align well with game conditions where stopping/starting/adjustments at top speed are required. It was in these tests of overall agility that Sorensen busted everyone's chops. That coupled with Sorensen's "coach on the field" mental makeup and ability is where I think Sorensen will shine.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Re: Rational
"Pres. Hinckley stated that a priesthood holders number one job is to provide for their family."

What a weird comment in a football article. Try to stay on topic.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@rbn

Sorenson exceeded times and measurements that hadn't been reached in many years, some in a decade.

"Sorensen had the best time of any defensive back in the combine. His mark of 6.7 seconds was the fastest NFL combine time by a safety since 2006, the second-best time among all defensive backs (including corners), and the fifth-fastest time from any position overall in eight years."

"Sorensen ran a 10.80 time in the 60-yard shuttle, and that was the best time recorded by any safety in the past nine combines and ranked fourth-best among all in the combine in nine years. Only Oregon State wide receiver Brandin Cooks (10.72) was faster this year"

"BYU S Daniel Sorensen with maybe the most comfortable display of soft hands I've seen from the entire DB group," Caputi wrote.

When the times you are posting are not just the best in this year but in some things in a decade then you did better than any other DB. Fact. Deal with it.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@rbn

So what was it mcgill did in even one single category that was the best in the last 8 or 9 years? Sorenson had multiple categories he was the best in several years, I'm just wondering if mcgill had any such categories? For that matter did mcgill have any categories that he was even the best this year?

And I'm not trying to knock on mcgill, from what I read he did well and looked good but I didn't hear about him doing anything that was better than anyone else had done in many years let alone in multiple categories.

It is pretty easy to say Sorenson had the best overall combine of any DB when he is putting up numbers no one else has put up in many years.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

@Duckhunter

And the cone drill skills make him the most impressive DB? Please. You can pick and choose what you think is impressive. I'll wager that Sorenson won't be picked before the 6th round. Safeties need straightline speed. Only you have noted that Sorenson had the best combine of any DB. Just because your lenses are blue doesn't mean the world is blue. Fact. Deal with it.

I'm serious about the 6th round wager. I'd love to buy you lunch if Sorenson is picked before the 6th round.

Utah'95
FPO, AE

I wish Sorenson luck.

It is worth noting that even though he put up some very impressive numbers at the combine, he isn't showing up on the draft prediction lists...

Hopefully all of the state of Utah potential draftees will get their chance and prosper at the next level.

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