Van Noy's and Hoffman's combine numbers were embarrassing. They
reflect a poor job by BYU's staff in preparing their players for future
employment. Pres. Hinckley stated that a priesthood holders number one job is
to provide for their family. (Semi-annual Leadership Training). The NFL is the
means of providing for these players. I am extremely disappointed on BYU's
coaching staff and program.
Rational, not that I'm defending BYU's coaches as great at preparing
players for the pros, but once the season is over, they really have very little
impact on a player's training for the combine or pro day. Players contract
with training companies to help them workout and prepare for combine drills. The
responsibility falls on them, not the coaches.
Sadly, some teams go solely on the "measurables" at the combine when
they draft. Those teams usually are terrible (e.g. Raiders). Speed and
strength are important, but so are many of the immeasuables. Can the guy play?
Is he humble and coachable? Can he play through nicks and pains? Can he learn
things well enough that he just reacts without having to think? These are the
important questions. If the guy can do those things he will stick. That is why
so many free agents and lower round picks have great careers. Seattle's
defense is a testament to finding guys that can play in later rounds. That is
why the draft is such a crap shoot. J. Clowney should be an all-pro for many
years, yet he is a prospect with many question marks. Good luck to all the guys
from the state of Utah. Represent well.
Rational,Are you serious? Even middle to late rounder's sign
contracts worth millions of dollars!!! Kyle is engaged and looking to have a
family, not exactly going to be a free spending party boy!!! If they are careful
and use their degree after they are done playing then providing for their
families should not be a problem!!! Most coaches and players know that with only
32 teams in the NFL the slots are few so they make other plans for after college
playing days are over!!!Good luck to Kyle and the rest that are
still reaching for the stars!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
@loganma1You said "Sadly, some teams go solely on the
"measurables" at the combine when they draft." I imagine that was
not the tune of most BYU fans last year which Ziggy Ansah shot up the mock draft
RBN-You must not have seen Ansah play. He displayed a lot more than
the combine "measurables."So I don't think the BYU fans
have changed the tune.
Of'a-Sofa for Su'a-Filo!!!Go Xav!
@Old but not stupidAnsah was drafted very high in the first round
specifically due to his measurables aka speed, size, strength, athletisism etc
etc. His production was marginal and erratic compared to his draft position.
@RationalSo does that also mean that BYU's coaches deserve the
credit for Daniel Sorenson's combine preformance which was the most
impressive of any defensiveback at the entire combine? He blew away numbers that
hadn't been touched in a decade. Of course according to stg he wasn't
any good but utah "fans" know more than NFL scouts anyway.
@Rational - you have cherry-picked your data by ignoring how Daniel Sorenson
completely destroyed everyone at the combine. I'm not saying that BYU
coaches are the best at preparing their players for the NFL, but I am saying
that you have to give credit where credit is due. Personally, I'm of the
opinion that the bulk of that preparation is done on an individual basis with
personal trainers, as was mentioned by StGtoSLC. At the college level, I think
the coaches are more about the X's and O's than the
strength/conditioning (unless you are talking about the strength and
conditioning staff, in which case I would somewhat agree with you).
I would love to see the Seahawks get Su'a-Filo. Unfortunately he will be
long gone by pick #32.
@gonefishnYou are incorrect. The detroit Lions coaching staff
coached the team Ansah played for in the sr bowl. He kiled it performance wise
at the sr bowl and made an impression on them there. That, more than his
measurables, lead to his high draft position. But he probably would have been
drafted by someone else within the next few pics based on his measurables.
@DuckhunterHow in the world can you say that Sorenson "had a
combine performance which was the most impressive of any defensive back at the
entire combine?"Clearly, he had the top times in the 3 cone, 20
yd shuttle, and 60 yd shuttle for safeties. But, among safeties his 40 time was
15th, bench was 12th, vertical jump was not in top 15, and broad jump was 15th.
I would say he had a nice combine, but not even close to the
"most impressive of any defensive back". Comparatively, McGill's
40 was much faster, his vertical 7 inches higher, and his broad 15 inches
longer. I hope Sorenson and McGill get drafted, but let's be
realistic and honest about the results from the Combine.
gonefishn-Duckhunter pretty much shot (pun intended) down your
illogical attack (his selection "specifically due to measurables..") on
my statement. RBNI'm sure we don't agree on
much--even politics. I would suggest for your consideration that McGill's
performance on what I'd call linear or "straight ahead" measures
clearly were better than Sorensen's. However, those linear
measures don't align well with game conditions where
stopping/starting/adjustments at top speed are required. It was in these tests
of overall agility that Sorensen busted everyone's chops. That coupled
with Sorensen's "coach on the field" mental makeup and ability is
where I think Sorensen will shine.
Re: Rational"Pres. Hinckley stated that a priesthood holders number
one job is to provide for their family."What a weird comment in
a football article. Try to stay on topic.
@rbnSorenson exceeded times and measurements that hadn't been
reached in many years, some in a decade."Sorensen had the best
time of any defensive back in the combine. His mark of 6.7 seconds was the
fastest NFL combine time by a safety since 2006, the second-best time among all
defensive backs (including corners), and the fifth-fastest time from any
position overall in eight years.""Sorensen ran a 10.80 time
in the 60-yard shuttle, and that was the best time recorded by any safety in the
past nine combines and ranked fourth-best among all in the combine in nine
years. Only Oregon State wide receiver Brandin Cooks (10.72) was faster this
year""BYU S Daniel Sorensen with maybe the most comfortable
display of soft hands I've seen from the entire DB group," Caputi
wrote.When the times you are posting are not just the best in this
year but in some things in a decade then you did better than any other DB. Fact.
Deal with it.
@rbnSo what was it mcgill did in even one single category that was
the best in the last 8 or 9 years? Sorenson had multiple categories he was the
best in several years, I'm just wondering if mcgill had any such
categories? For that matter did mcgill have any categories that he was even the
best this year? And I'm not trying to knock on mcgill, from
what I read he did well and looked good but I didn't hear about him doing
anything that was better than anyone else had done in many years let alone in
multiple categories.It is pretty easy to say Sorenson had the best
overall combine of any DB when he is putting up numbers no one else has put up
in many years.
@DuckhunterAnd the cone drill skills make him the most impressive
DB? Please. You can pick and choose what you think is impressive. I'll
wager that Sorenson won't be picked before the 6th round. Safeties need
straightline speed. Only you have noted that Sorenson had the best combine of
any DB. Just because your lenses are blue doesn't mean the world is blue.
Fact. Deal with it.I'm serious about the 6th round wager.
I'd love to buy you lunch if Sorenson is picked before the 6th round.
I wish Sorenson luck.It is worth noting that even though he put up
some very impressive numbers at the combine, he isn't showing up on the
draft prediction lists...Hopefully all of the state of Utah
potential draftees will get their chance and prosper at the next level.