@Ernest T. BassWe did not bomb Grenada. We invaded and left. It
was in response to the illegal overthrow and execution of Grenadian Prime
Minister Maurice Bishop by communist rebels. The date of the invasion is now a
national holiday in Grenada, called Thanksgiving Day.We did not
bully New Zealand to take 'nukes.' A left-wing Prime Minister named
David Lange banned entry of nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed warships into New
Zealand waters. We threatened to severe the ANZUS treaty after the USS Buchanan
was refused a port-visit by the New Zealand government on the on the grounds
that it was "potentially capable of carrying nuclear weapons."Ernest, sadly ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force.
Weakness, passivity, ineptitude or other liberal foreign policies are never
rewarded and almost always exploited. The foreign policy of the 1980s was
Reagan's "peace through strength" axiom. Because of it, people who
lived in Angola, Cambodia, The Philippines, Poland, El Salvador, East Germany,
Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Hungary, Yugoslavia and the former
republics of the Soviet Union now enjoy freedom their parents and grandparents
could only dream of.
Want 80s foreign policy? Should we bomb Greneda again, or bully New Zealand to
take our nukes?The fact is, Reagan did nothing but bully nations without a
recognizable military. The US was the bully in the 80s and still is. As with
most bullies, they don't like other bullies. That's all this is, the
right wing bully mentality can't stand seeing someone else (Putin in this
case) bully someone else. Maybe we can re-invade Iraq to make you all feel
good about yourselves.
I love the conservative reaction to this thing, the absolute NEED to attack our
president in ALL things. Remember when they used to say that politics end at the
waters edge? When they thought bickering about this kind of stuff made us look
weak? Well not anymore. Not with this president. I had to go to
Provo yesterday (I know, right? Thanks). I listened to Rush on the way down and
Sean on the way back. Both of them, of course, were vicious in their attacks of
this president concerning this matter. Wow, surprising, right? Yet NEITHER
offered ANY suggestion, at all, on what should be done. Sean went off on a rant
about strength and action and a need to react with strength and blah blah blah.
. . (You know how these guys just talk to hear themselves talk) it sure seemed
like he was calling for war. But when a caller hit him up about it, Sean quickly
said, before hanging up on him, "Bulub, redipulous, I don't think we
should go to war.Then WHAT should we do there that President Obama
isn't already doing? WHAT is it conservatives, that you want done?
The Leader of Al Qaeda and mastermind of 9/11 is dead,Total withdrawal
from Iraq, Final withdrawal from Afghanistan in a few months, No
Invasions of Libya, Egypt, or Syria during the Arab Spring protests, Ordered the Navy Seal’s attack on Somali pirates, and the use of drones
strikes off the Horn of Africa to assure safe shipping, AndI do not
have to pretend to be Canadian when I travel abroad.
mhenshawLeesburg, VAThe world is always watching and will weigh our
present actions as they make their future choices. I'm not saying war is
the right answer; but don't imagine that inaction doesn't encourage
aggression in all its forms.6:17 a.m. March 5, 2014=====Who said anything about inaction? Do Nothing?anyone?My
beef is those [usually NON-military, and usually conservatives who don't
like Gov. spending or paying higher taxes for anything] who keep suggesting a
full out invasion force as the 1st Action, and the ONLY action we have.I say it is our LAST option, when all else has been tried, and failed.and then only if, direct U.S. interests are concerned - and only to
Defend America and our Constitution.per the Constitution.
"The world is always watching and will weigh our present actions as they
make their future choices. I'm not saying war is the right answer; but
don't imagine that inaction doesn't encourage aggression in all its
forms."......and?My other question is why is
>> Are allusions to appeasement really what passes for analysis in your
neck of the woods?To say "we should do nothing to help [invaded
country x] because we have no interests there" is a short-sighted
calculation. Inaction brings its own long-term consequences; and I have yet to
see any of the people here arguing for inaction tell us what they think Putin
and the rest of Europe will do next if we stand by and let him seize Crimea.
What will the long-term effects on our European interests be? And "none"
is the wrong answer. Our European allies and former Soviet Republics who want
closer ties to Europe are watching to see whether we'll support them and do
nothing.The world is always watching and will weigh our present
actions as they make their future choices. I'm not saying war is the right
answer; but don't imagine that inaction doesn't encourage aggression
in all its forms.
Right, because while Obama can't pass legislation since that's the
senate's job, nor can he spend money because that's the Senate's
job he should never the less be able to get Russia and all other countries to do
whatever Republicans want them to do while not taxing Americans at all and not
spending any money.Does that sum up republican demands of Barry?
CHS "So Mr. Romney has years and years of foreign policy
experience?"Which makes it all the sadder that he could see it,
while Obama, with all access to all US intelligence, couldn't see it. You're not helping your man.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers refers to a nation that has
not existed since 1993. Czechoslovakia, is now Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
Oh dear, how intelligent.
"You're thinking like Neville Chamberlain. You need to start thinking
like Winston Churchill."Mark, my reading of Churchill is that
he'd be very cautious about poking a nuclear Russian bear without vital
strategic interests at stake. Are allusions to appeasement really what passes
for analysis in your neck of the woods?
What you are doing is feeding off the partisans who complain and offer
absolutely nothing. Nothing. Nothing. We can only assume you want WAR!!!!
patriot,"1980's foreign policy? Peace Through Strength. The
result? The USSR crumbled."______________________________The Soviet system collapsed because it was a system that could not work. Its
doom was forespelled by Europe’s recovery from World War II. The Marxist
experiment failed to keep pace with, much less surpass, the West’s free
market system. That Communism would never be economically competitive with
capitalism was becoming increasingly undeniable for a new generation of power
technicians brought up in the Soviet system. Mikhail Gorbachev was among the
young reformers who saw the handwriting on the wall.The legend that
Reagan ended the Cold War is like the parable of the rooster crowing at sunrise
and became convinced it was his crowing that caused the sun to come up every
Yes the 80's make for a great place- if we could just get rid of that pesky
Internet, bring back cell phones the size of bricks, bring back the Berlin Wall,
put some healthy dictators back in power in Central America and Africa and grow
out my mullet- sorry the world has moved on and I know some do not want to move
on but policy of the 80's does not work today and anyone that thinks it
does or will really does have their head in the sand or a simple ax to grind
against anything Obama- come into the present- it will hurt a little but it is
where you live now and look for solutions that have meaning today not just what
worked 40 years ago- WWII policy failed us in Vietnam so why should USSR based
policy help any better today?
Overzealous military aid and intervention in the 80s had mixed results. Reagan
supported repressive regimes in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua. A scandal
emerged from the support of Contras. The invasion of Grenada was silly as
marines hit the beach to encounter mostly American medical students getting some
sun. Lebanon resulted in a bomb killing 241 Americans. Reagan tried to force New
Zealand to abandon its nuclear free-zone plan. As Iran was considered a greater
threat than Iraq, we armed Hussein. We also armed what became the Taliban in
Afghanistan. Many more hostages were held in the Middle East during
Reagan's presidency than the 50 in Iran during Carter's presidency.
Intervention in Poland and Angola did not resolve anything. The bombings in
Libya had little long-term effects and brought much international protests.
Reagan used strong rhetoric against the Soviet Union, but it was mostly
Gorbachev who undermined communism with Perestroika and Glasnost. We have
deified Reagan into a foreign policy wizard. But his interventions were mostly
ineffective and definitely costly.
The real measure of strength is the power to do something and the wisdom to know
how to use that power, neither of which is found in Obama. Reagan was the last
president who knew how to look eye to eye with a bully and make them back away.
Obama only knows politics. He is dangerous to the stability and security of
this nation. The freedom fighters in the Ukraine have no alley in Obama and
currently a weak United States. I absolutely do not advocate war, but the
ability to make a bully stand down is quite another! Obama has no leadership
abilities and his patriotism and values seem to be absent. We need leaders that
stand for something!
>>what branch of the Military do YOU currently serve in? Do you walk the
talk?1) Yes.2) If prior or current military experience
is required before your opinion on national security is valid, then we can
disqualify virtually everyone on President Obama's national security team
including the president himself.
Barak Obama in the 3rd Presidential debate:"Governor Romney... a
few months ago when you were asked, what's the biggest geopolitical threat
facing America, you said Russia.... And the 1980s are now calling to ask for
their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for
20 years."Mitt Romney:"First of all, Russia, I
indicated, is a geopolitical foe....I have clear eyes on this. I'm not
going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and
I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility
after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone."So sad that the American public was wearing rose-colored glasses when it
comes to Obama.
Well it's not the 1980's, that's the problem! Mr. Gorbachev tear
down this wall rhetoric isn't going to work. And I love, absolutely love
the straw men comments about Obama and the "he should have taken lessons
from Romney" Really? Obama has been president for 5 years now, what's
Romney done? One term Gov? Could he see Canada from Massachusetts I wonder?
The Olympics? After Tom Welsh and company did all work and Romney road in on
his high horse to take the credit? Laughable. Romney is good at two things,
making people money and looking like a 60 year old ken doll. Beyond that, he
has nothing to offer the current situation other than some bogus old guard and
outdated (nostalgic) rhetoric. Building new "ships" test firing
ICMB's and filling more warehouses full of weapons isn't going to get
us out of this one! That was then, this is now!
@ Schnee:You are correct in your assessment of the Russian incursion
into Georgia.I think this situation would be the same under a
President McCain, or Romney. We have elected presidents who have pandered to
and focused on domestic issues and have little experience in foreign affairs.What should we do? We should do what we are capable of doing, which is
nothing of substance. Before we entertain any adventure, I suggest we count the
cost in lives, property and treasury and identify a compelling National Interest
to be defended or pursued first. To follow the knee-jerk reaction of Ready,
Fire, Aim would not be in our best interests. Our
“allies” heat their homes on Russian natural gas and they have
reduced their military to little more than shells of what they were in the last
part of the 20th Century. IF they have heartburn over this matter, let them
shoulder the burden and do something.I suspect there is much that
has transpired, and that will transpire that we as a public are ignorant.
Let's wait and see how the dust settles.
1980's foreign policy? Peace Through Strength. The result? The USSR
crumbled. 2014 foreign policy? Well... other than a weaker military
and lots of red lines in the sand....I have no idea.
jsfCenterville, UTMilitary service is commendable, but, is not a
hammer to drive out differing ideas and opinions. It does not equate to the
absolute truth of liberal theology. As a truly open minded Mormon, I have
listened to many returning Vets from World War II to the recent conflicts in the
middle east. Most do not adhere to a liberal theology. I try to glean truth and
knowledge from any source.12:20 p.m. March 4, 2014=========== Yet, isn't that what YOU non-military guys
threatening military action in Crimea is doing?BTW -- I went in the
military a hard-core conservaive.After see what war REALLY is, I came out
a bleeding heart liberal.The loudest voices for War, are always from
those who are clueless about it.I'm 3rd generation Veteran.Ask any of us if we'd ever want to go back and do it again.None of
us would.Veterans as the LAST to want war.
Open Minded MormonYou don't know what Romney would be doing,
saying we go to war over Crimea. You automatically go to the rhetorical extreme
based on your political stereotypes and assumptions. We should deal
with what's actually going on (instead of deflecting it, and presuming
everything would be worse IF Romney were President). Let's talk about the
guy who IS President!What is going on in Crimea today is actually
going on. Let's talk about that. Not your pretend strawman arguments of
what would be happening IF Romney, McCain, or Bush were President.The people of Ukrain kicked out the Russian puppet. They wanted MORE
distance between them and Russian politics. And look what they got... Russian
soldiers keeping them in line.When the USSR collapsed... Ukraine had
the 3rd largest Nuclear arsenal in the world. Google "nuclear
weapons and Ukraine"... Google "1994 Budapest Memorandum"... The USA, UK, and Russia, promised to protect Ukraine if they disarmed.
They did... 10 years later... they are occupied by Russian military and told
they are subjects of the Kremlin.And Obama wants the USA to disarm
and trust Russia!
Military service is commendable, but, is not a hammer to drive out differing
ideas and opinions. It does not equate to the absolute truth of liberal
theology. As a truly open minded Mormon, I have listened to many returning Vets
from World War II to the recent conflicts in the middle east. Most do not adhere
to a liberal theology. I try to glean truth and knowledge from any source.
Mitt pulled way too many punches in the debates. He should have burned Obama
down on Benghazi. That is a clear cut case of how much this President is not
doing and won't admit to.
mhenshawLeesburg, VA>> I don't think Crimea is worth
going to war over.You're thinking like Neville Chamberlain. You
need to start thinking like Winston Churchill.11:28 a.m. March 4,
2014======== what branch of the Military do YOU
currently serve in?Do you walk the talk?
>> I don't think Crimea is worth going to war over.You're thinking like Neville Chamberlain. You need to start thinking like
Stalin also practiced genocide in the 1930s killing more than 3 million
Ukrainians by starvation.
@ marxistRussia is not entirely Russain Speaking. It is 60% Russian
speaking the rest of the population are Crimean Tatars, Cossacks, and
Ukranians.The Crimea was mainly Tatars until the Soviets deported them now
they are making their way back from Central Asia.Crimea is not worth
fighting for, but the Tatars have already said they will not be annexed by
Russia and will fight an armed resistance (Tatars are of the islamic faith so
they will fight) If Russia annexes Crimea it will begin an insurgency
(more tatars will come) and the Southwestern part of Russia will be emboldened
to strengthen their insurgency.Russia is walking a fine line they have
groups that will fight within. Russia could open a militant pandoras box.The US and allies should kick Russia out of the G8 over this. That is a large
punishment because they will no longer be in those negotiations.
Ok, so President Obama decides to mediate with threats and then sends American
troops to the Ukraine.Now wait a minute...Republicans never
encouraged that! NOW they say, "Never wanted that strong of action"Same old game. Just tell him "NO" again.The Hawks will only deny
what they have said.Is it any wonder our President does not listen to the
Ultra righties who have had this plan to ruin him since the night he was
chs, well let see. Have things played with Russia how barack thought they would
go or how Romney thought they would go? You're trying to argue barack was
right even when we know now he wasn't.
marxist brings out a great point, the Crimea region is primarily Russian
speaking ethnic Russians, as is the Eastern half of the Ukraine, the bread
basket of Ukraine. And just like the events that kicked off the start of World
War I, the Crimea has a dark history. Why is it so Russian, because after World
War II the Russians practiced ethnic cleansing. First they forcible removed the
ethnic Tartars, 46 percent died in the relocation. Later they removed the
ethnic Greeks and other minorities from the coastal areas of the Crimea. Now
some of these ethnic groups have been returning to their homeland, a powder keg
waiting to explode. Bush failed in Georgia, Obama will fail in the Crimea, and
Ukraine will be split down the middle. China will next flex their muscles and we
will watch Taiwan fall. We burned our military reserves in the last 10 years.
We are spread to thin over Africa, and the Middle East. In wars where
politicians determine how to wage a war and there never is a real win objective.
We should pull all our troops from around the world, Let Japan, Korea, Germany,
Italy, Spain and other nations field their own armies.
SvenMorgan, UT@Open Minded MormonOkay, but 1st -- why don't you tell us what branch of the United States military YOU
served in?What did Russia or Crimea do to attack us - [I work for
the Department of DEFENSE, not offense], andHow do you plan of
paying for yet another foreign military boondoggle without raising taxes?
Obama is not even on par with Jimmy Carter let alone Ronald Reagan. We have no
foreign policy or respect globally anymore. Liberals have destroyed this
As was pointed out earlier, it's a bit strange to criticize Obama by
pointing out that Al-Qaeda is in shambles, North Korea has less support than
ever, and Syria and Iran are in open negotiations--which hadn't been the
truth for decades. Those are Obama's greatest successes, and they
wouldn't have been, if he'd prioritized Russia (which still
doesn't pose a threat to us, I'd like to point out) over those other
situation. In addition, if we'd been following people like
McCain and other leading Republicans, we would currently be in a ground war in
Libya and Syria, in addition to not ending our involvement in the conflicts in
Iraq and Afghanistan. In other words, we would be embroiled in four concurrent
wars--seems to me that would only embolden Putin more because American military
power would be beyond taxed.
@Open Minded MormonOkay, now why don't you deal with
Obama's dismal foreign policy... Obama, Kerry, and the Left
have shown Putin nothing but weakness, indecisiveness, and ever moving lines in
the sand. Putin is playing Obama like a fool, and the rest of the world is
"....the United States should begin to treat Russia as one its biggest
foreign threats, and that Obama should understand that the more timid the U.S.
appears with its military, the more confident Putin appears to be with
his."______________________________Let’s not be
blinded to the dangers of overreacting. U.S. actions need to be proportionate to
realities, not news headlines that shift from one day to the next.
America’s use of military force must be restrained. Calling it timid is
language that can unfortunately goad elected decision makers to make unwise
decisions in the name of national interest.
If Romney was President -- He couldn't concern himself with
what's happening in Crimea.He'd be in over his head with
his wars and occupation of Syria, Iran and North Korea.and the GOP
with their - send in someone else's kid, not mine - and increase
spending with no new taxes -- still wouldn't have a clue as to how to
pay for it all.
Will all those who are snarking at the President please tell us exactly what he
SHOULD do that would please them?
Hutterite, that was one terrific comment at 9:04 last night. Thank you for
reminding us of the real story behind the end of the Cold War and fall of the
Can we please stop the my guy vs your guy stuff long enough to look at the
situation. Crimea is a separate country from Ukraine. It is autonomous. It
has its own parliament. It is entirely Russian-speaking, and its population
wants to be part of Russia. Russia wants it closer because Russia's only
all-weather port is there. Let's not go to war over this, though I
understand with Iraq finally winding down the hawks are anxious for another go
(with other guys' sons of course).
And all this is happening while Obama is in the process of gutting our
military.This is what happens when you elect a community
Generally, it appears that people wait to see what is done, and then come out
against whatever it is.So, What do some of you propose that we
do.Please be specific.
It seems President Obama has been able to walk us back to where we were before
the Reagan era. I feel like I'm living in the Carter years again, when
America couldn't do anything, our line-in-the-sand means nothing. Aand our
President was seen as weak (at home and abroad).What nation really
thinks President Obama will really enforce any of his line in the sand
warnings??We are shrinking our military at an alarming rate. We
are becoming weaker, right when we need to be stronger.I don't
want us to go to war ANYWHERE in the world. But the best way to prevent that
is proving our President and our nation is strong, not weak. Strength PREVENTS
wars. It doesn't cause them.
So if we are reviving Reagan's foreign policy, to which terrorist hostage
takers do we trade arms with this time around? And which Central American
dictators do we deal drugs with to finance the arms-for-hostages deals? Do we
"outlaw Russia" and "begin bombing in five minutes"?
@Strider303"We have no meaningful cards to play "And
how would that be any different under a President Romney or McCain? None of you
even say what you think we should do so it's hard to see what you're
even upset about. It's not like this sort of thing didn't happen under
a Republican President since Russia actually attacked Georgia in 2008.
@ CHS 85. Mitt Romney warned us repeatedly of the threat from the Russians and
Putin, did he not? What does that tell you? The smartest thing Obama could do
now is to call Mitt and ask him what he (Obama) should do, then do it! Romney
will know exactly the right way to handle this!
"North Korea may shoot missiles into the sea, but it is run by a fanatic who
has few allies willing to follow him out of the loony bin. Iran poses a regional
threat but lately has been willing to negotiate. Al-Qaida remains unpredictable
and dangerous, but essentially is a loose confederation of outlaws. "So up to now Jay, Obama hasn't done too bad a job? North Korea
never was much, he has Iran negotiating, and he did in fact reduce Al-Quida to a
loose confederation.With those successes just what makes you think
he won't do ok here, or is this just another political opportunity?
@Thid BarkerSo Mr. Romney has years and years of foreign policy
I find myself feeling sorry for Obama. He is so far in over his head with zero
experience and with his left wing ideology, he doesn't even recognize who
our enemies are! I saw that glaring weakness in him when right after his
election he went on his infamous apology tour! He doesn't know what he is
doing, period! Putin is playing chess and Obama is playing marbles.
The war hawks are alive and well.How about this. If we decide to go
to another war, tell the American people why, and what it will cost. And pay for
it today. Cut spending elsewhere, or raise taxes. Americans would be far less likely to get involved in another war if they had
to participate by serving or paying for it. Even those on the right.
We're told that Russian troops are moving into Ukraine; in reality they are
moving into Crimea – not the same thing. While Crimea is officially an
autonomous region formally within Ukraine, it has its own Parliament and, up
until 1995, its own President. The majority of Crimeans are Russian-speakers,
and they have voted repeatedly for close relations with Russia. I don't
think Crimea is worth going to war over.
Let's admit it, we have elected presidents who are weak and inept at
foreign policy. The chief executive and Secretary of State are out
maneuvered and out classed by a well organized, well conceived leader who has a
plan, momentum, will, strategic "high ground" and is willing to call our
bluff.We have no meaningful cards to play other than roll over and
verbally chastise the Russian leader. A rambling speech, empty threats and even
speaking in French are not going to mitigate this situation.Elections matter, competence matters and we are suffering from a string of
marginally competent leaders from both parties. IMO this
administration has neither the will, means nor ability to project sufficient
force to deter Russia from doing what it wants to do in its back yard. Our
allies in Europe risk being cut off from Russian natural gas and oil supplies,
and their supply lines are easily interdicted should NATO try to do much more
that gripe and moan.Slice it, dice it and put it into the oven, this
event is over and done.The last thing the Russians are concerned
with is a phone call from the west chastising them.
Obama could use a massive dose of reality about now.
Mr. Obama needs to take president lessons from Romney.
We could all use a little '80's foreign policy right now. The foreign
policy of Poland, whos' people said in one voice Solidarnosc! The foreign
policy of the Pope, who secretly conspired to help them. The foreign policy of
Hungary, who refused to continue to be East Germany's proxy jailer. And the
foreign policy of Mikhail Gorbachev, who gave the former East German chancellor
the kiss of death and booked it out of Berlin, condemning the regime to the
scrap heap and then going on to ease Russia back from the brink with dignity.
Thoughtful, committed people found our way out of the cold war in the
'80's. Ronnie Ray Gun was left fighting the cold war until it ended
without him. If we can avoid conflict in Ukraine it will be by prevalence of
cooler heads. Just like in the '80's.
That one hurts
I think we should immediately send in troops. Of course, only other
people's husbands, sons, daughters should go.
At this moment in time, I simply pray for Pres Obama and hope that the right
choices can be made for the many people that could potentially be effected.
And the snarky way he went after Gov Romney - made me sick. As if the Gov
knew nothing about the world and the community organizer knew it all.Now we know.