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Published: Monday, March 3 2014 1:00 p.m. MST

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southmtnman
Provo, UT

Holy cow! I don't think Cadillacs and Fords were designed to do that!

Bifftacular
Spanish Fork, Ut

A high speed chase endangering everyone on the road over some items stolen from Walmart? And then ultimately the chase ends destroying more property than what was stolen? I support our police on most things but this seems just plain stupid.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@Bifftacular

I completely agree. If the guy wasn't brandishing a pistol and firing at other motorists, I don't see how shoplifting justifies a high speed chase.

Todd_i
Midway, UT

I have to disagree with Biffacular. It is not the Walmart employee or the police who are in the wrong. It is criminal who first stole, then pulled a knife on a person, then endangered every motorist around him, then attempted murder with a vehicle that was in the wrong. It was well within the duty of any of those officers to shoot this man as he drove toward them. It took great control for them to apprehend him without a shot being fired. This man was clearly in the wrong. I am so glad he didn't kill anyone in the process. He should be charged with attempted murder.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ Todd_i: Yes, the criminal committed criminal acts - but that is not what endangered the lives of those around him. Lives were placed in danger - including the lives of every officer involved and every other driver on the road - when the police decided to engage in a high speed chase.

He had a (as in one) cart of stuff that all fit into the trunk of the car - assuming he was a really creative packer and made sure to get the most expensive stuff, it is still unlikely he had more than $6000 or $7000 worth of stuff - not really worth ricking the lives of others over. (Honestly, I don't think there is a dollar amount you can put on stuff that makes it worth risking people's lives over.)

This high speed chase should not have happened. If the police were that determined to catch the guy, they should have called in a helicopter.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm with Todd_i on this one. The driver is reportedly to have pulled a knife and threatened the employee, simple efforts to stop the vehicle were met with attempts to do bodily harm. There was ample reason to attempt to stop the car and arrest the driver and cohorts.

Monsieur le prof
Sandy, UT

The perp was considered dangerous because he wielded a knife while making off with the goods. The fact that he drove at the officers and attempted to hit them also shows that he needed to be off the road. I think the police made the right decisions.

Linus
Bountiful, UT

Sooner or later, this offender was going to kill someone. It seems some who commented failed to read the part of the article that revealed his criminal history. It was important to me that he be captured to save lives; not just merchandise. Thanks to the peace officers for completing the task.

No One Of Consequence
West Jordan, UT

I drove past the aftermath of this disaster. One foot to the left and the driver of the truck could easily have been killed. He was driving on 3 tires! Rein in the adrenaline (and the testosterone). He's going to stop sooner or later.

Of course now they have him on enough charges to lock him up for a long time. Let's hope it happens.

bkschmidty
Eagle Mountain, UT

I agree that our law enforcement made the right move. Yes, it is unfortunate that lives were in danger, and that there was a result of damaged property. But if we let all aggravated robberies get away, what kind of message are we sending to these criminals? "Sure, go ahead and rob any store you want. Just be sure to drive away really fast so we don't chase after you. We wouldn't want to hurt anyone. We just want you to have whatever you want without paying for it."

Sampson
Hurricane, UT

The only reason this qualifies as a "high-speed chase" is because the driver turned onto the freeway. There is no mention of 90-100 mph speeds because the speeds were likely freeway speeds.

No lives were threatened other than the WalMart employee and several police who were nearly run over. I am amazed how so many quickly condemn the pursuit of the police because the writer calls this a high speed chase.

We all drive on the freeway and nearly everyone drives within 10 mph of the posted speed limit. For those who condemn the police pursuit, perhaps they should all avoid the freeway in the future as they endanger lives by their "high speed driving."

Benevolus
Fruit Heights, UT

Misleading for the reporter to call this a shoplifting case. Sounds more like armed robbery.

Dave in Draper
DRAPER, UT

Sampson: You are right this wan't really a "high speed chase". My wife was on about 11400 south on the freeway, heading north, when she saw tons of police cars behind her. A few seconds later the cadillac passed her, riding on at least 1 of the rims. It wasn't really a "high speed" chase. She slowed down, and said the cadillac passed her "in the far right lane, or maybe even a bit onto the shoulder" while going about 60 mph. It couldn't go all that fast without a tire. However, you are totally wrong about "No lives were threatened other than the WalMart employee and several police"... Um did you see the article? Did you see the photo of the cadillac in the bed of the pickup truck? What do you think would have happened to the driver of the pickup had the cadillac launched a few more feet to the left, hitting the cab? This guy could have easily killed someone.

nairbnosral
American Fork, UT

Sampson reread the article:

"Despite one of their tires being punctured, the man and a woman inside the vehicle continued onto northbound I-15. Speeds from the chase got up to between 90 mph and 100 mph, Liddiard said. Debris from the spiked tire kept breaking off onto the road."

But is 90 to 100 mph really high-speed? If I drive 90 on the freeway I'm probably in somebody's way...

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Benevolus; I agree, with a weapon brandished, I also would call it armed robbery.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

The dude pulled a knife, a dangerous weapon and threatened people with it. It at that point becomes a deadly force situation. He then goes after the cops with his car. Same thing. The dollar amount of the items stolen makes it a felony. With the knife, a forceable felony. Cops can chase in this case due to the multiple forceable felonies.

Bryan
Syracuse, UT

Yes, this was a good call on the part of the police officers to continue the pursuit. This man was dangerous, and needed to be stopped. Now that he's in jail hopefully he'll have a long time (think decades) to rethink his misdeeds.

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