@lost What's funny is the lengths some will go to to not answer
a simple question. Did I any ware indicate I thought Obama visited these boards?
Since you decided to insert yourself into the conversation do you care to answer
the question, what exactly do you think we should be doing? Or do want to
continue to dodge a straight forward question?
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTReally?I'm curious at
to where you get your information?'cause I work at a military AFB and
we haven't had a bird on alert in over 22 years.Current Threat
level is :INFOCON: 3FPCON: Alpha[In case you may
not know, INFOCON is e-hacking, and our dear little Corporate friends in
Communist China are responsible for 12,000 cyber-attacks per DAY.]Russia is no threat to America at all, China is our Corporate friend in
WalMart sheep's clothing.
Open Minded Mormon,Are you assuming our bombers and missiles not fueled
and ready to go today?? I think you would be wrong.I have a hard
time imagining a guy like you in the military. Well maybe the air force... ===Tensions have reduced since 1991, but I can assure you
our bombers are still fueled and ready to go, and we are flying opps daily. And
we still spy on the Russians regularly. What has changed is...
Putin's attitude. It's getting more pre-1991 all the time.
@2bitsYeah, Obama's so weak that just the thought of him being
president made Russia willing to attack Georgia in summer 2008...
Mcdugall, interventionOffer solutions?You really think BO is
trolling this board looking for answers to his problems?Now
Yep -- just re-read the United States Constitution...CONGRESS
is to declare war.Is the GOP Lead House of Representatives willing
to put their money where their mouth is?oris this just more
political rhetoric and badgering to whip up the mindless base?
What should President Obama do?Follow the Republican/Neo-Con
playbook...Of course...The right-wing propaganda outlets
whip up the base...Check.Neo-cons in Congress call the
POTUS out...Check.Wait a minute.The
Republican base and the Republicans in Congress report we are broke...However... it seems there's always money available for the next war...and
the next war...and the next war...An DN approved op-ed writer
earlier this week described Republican policy as incoherent and duplicitous.He was right.
@2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTWe are almost right back where we
were BEFORE Reagan now (in tensions with Russia). And it's not just Russia
that's challenging our President now.. it's a long list of nations.8:52 a.m. March 4, 2014========= More hyperpole
from the chicken little right.I was in the USAF during Reagan.I sat on the Alert Pad 24/7, fully fueled and fully loaded for a full blown
Nuclear attack.I've flown over the North Pole in invasions
forces, testing sand seeing where and how far we could penetrate into Soviet
Airspace before being caught and intercepted and escorted out out by
Russinas.I've been targetd and tracked for hours, days, weeks,
and months over the North Sea by Soviet Antonov An-12 gunships.I've lived in Europe supporting NATO for Nuclear, Chemical, Biological
and conventional warfare with the Soviets.Enough of the AM radio
hysteria for ratings hyperbole.We aren't anywhere near that level of
This test/challenge from our old nemesis was pretty much setup by Obama's
weakness and proving time after time that he would do nothing to enforce the
line-in-the-sand he has drawn on so many other important stands he has made.Every time he has drawn a line (Syria, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, ACA,
NSA, IRS, etc) the people he warned have walked right over the line almost as
soon as he drew it. This is starting to remind me of the Carter Administration
(on foreign affairs weakness).We are almost right back where we were
BEFORE Reagan now (in tensions with Russia). And it's not just Russia
that's challenging our President now.. it's a long list of nations.I hope we it doesn't escalate. I hope there is a reduction in
tensions before it all boils over. But I can't say I'm super
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahObama will do nothing. That is
his game plan. He will do absolutely nothing.•3:09 p.m. March 3,
2014======== Did Russia or the Ukraine attack us?Did
Congress authorize a War?So then, Obama is doing the right
thing, and is sustaining the Constitution.
The geopolitics of Russia’s sphere of influence favor Putin although
international sentiment clearly does not. If Putin's goal is limited to
control of Crimea and he is prepared to pay a price in world relations, he can
probably make it stick. His course of action is more perilous if it appears he
has greater ambitions on parts of the Ukraine beyond Crimea.
This is what's wrong with conservatives/republicans, they are a one trick
pony..always. Leadership means one thing to them, stand up push
your chest out, and say something aggressive.There's actually a
very reasoned opinion that the one who has made a major mistake here is Putin.
Ukraine is not a small insignificant country and Ukrainians do not want to be
dictated to by Russia. There are some who want to be more closely aligned with
Russia than Europe but none want to be annexed to Russia. Russia
may have crossed over the wrong side of that line with troops, and of course if
that's the case aggressive action by America would be worse.
But hey none of that means anything to American conservatives. Puff
your chest out, strut, be nasty, and if none of that makes you feel better send
somebody else's kid to die.
The Ukraine is north of Iraq. Whoever is advocating boots and Bush type show of
force on the ground should grab a gun and head over personally.
These comments clearly reflect that many readers have very selective sources.
In fact, whether Obama is doing well or not, Putin is surely doing poorly in
this experience. Both the Russian Rubble and markets had near free falls in
their value. A recent Kremlin survey of Russians put the approval of action in
the ukraine at only 15%, 73% of Russians don't approve. Only 2% were
undecided.The only upside to these actions is that Putin will be
able to keep his base in Crimea. What he has lost is the support and trust of
most Ukrainians - even recent poll numbers show ethnic Russians in Ukraine do
not support the occupation.So to say Putin has won..... that is
clearly a stretch. He got to keep bases in Crimea, but lost the rest of the
country, and perhaps lost Russia membership in the G8. The Czech Republic has
already cancelled a multi-billion dollar energy project with Russia. He has
IMO the POTUS is out classed as a leader. He is good on campaigning but a
light-weight as a leader. Most politicians are. Putin appears to have a plan,
the tools and will to carry it out. We have little if any means to
project influence that far away. We have no treasury to finance it, we have
weak allies who have to live in the same forest with the Russian bear.I expect a lot of bluster and some French from the Secretary of State but in
the end, it will be as the Russian Bear wants it to be. Our troops are weary
from deployment over many years. There is little support from the
administration and congress - pay cuts, benefit cuts, troop draw-downs, the
foreshadowing of base closures and domestic unrest over ACA.I expect
SecState to mimic PM Neville Chamberlain while in Kiev and come home with an
agreement proclaiming “peace in our time”.History is a
harsh teacher but fools will have no other.
"At stake is not only the future of Ukraine, where the chaotically
disorganized opposition to Yanukovich is waiting and wondering, but in the
Middle East and throughout Asia, where many leaders have taken to questioning
America's commitment to the world,” writes Hirsh. Then after Obama
pledged and backed down on Syria, “… Putin and other world leaders
appear to view him as indecisive and unwilling to take risks.”Wait, how can this be?I thought Obama was loved all over the
world. Every world leader listened in rapt attention to every word our
president spoke. Just speaking, he could make change. Just speaking something
showed our commitment to the world. In fact, Obama has shown the world that his
words are so powerful that he/we don't need to follow up with any
action.Everything he has done has been successful and brilliant.
He'll figure out something for Ukraine.
@banderson and Richards Please do tell us given you infinite wisdom
on all matters what exactly should Obama be doing, what should the Us be doing?
How is the Ukraine our problem? What vital American interests are at stake?
Worst case scenario, the Crimean people join Russia via plebiscite. The Ukraine
gets a little smaller. Big deal. Since there's nothing that this President,
or any other President could do, how is this a "critical test of leadership?
Why are we involved in the Ukraine? Who are the American
Businessmen wanting to get into the Ukraine?Don't we have other
matters that we should be doing?
I feel like the reason some people aren't saying what we should do is
because they're waiting for Obama to take a clear position... and then
they'll take the opposite. Fact is this situation is
complicated and full of nuance, even outside of Ukraine. For instance, one might
consider sanctions, but getting everyone to agree to it would be difficult since
Germany and others heavily rely on natural gas from Russia.
Richards and Banderson understand international diplomacy much better than
someone like the President of the United States.Everything bad that
happens in the world is Barack Obama's fault, doncha know!
"On August 15, 2013, CBS News reported about Bengahzi, "Most people were
like down in the Situation Room and [Mr. Obama] was like, 'I'm not
going to be down there, I can't watch this entire thing,'" Reggie
Love said at a forum at UCLA last month. "We must have played 15 hands, 15
games of spades,""Good for him! This shows the absolute
wisdom of this president! Let the professionals work! Stay out of their way.
This president, no president since Ike, is trained to deal with the tactics and
command of a situation like was happening in Benghazi. People are in place that
are competent to deal with things like Benghazi. If you are a politician, let
them! Stay out if their way, and if they need something they will tell you!
President Obama did the exact right thing. "Obama will do
nothing. That is his game plan. He will do absolutely nothing."There are worse things he could do. Hopefully he does very little. I'm
sure he will support some move by the UN. He has been talking to Putin. But
other then that what do you want him to do, Richards? Banderson?
banderson,"....The problem is the vacuum of moral leadership
that BO has led which brings us to this precipice. When a bully is in town, the
worst thing you can do is get out of his way. The bully has to know that there
is someone in town that can't be pushed around...."______________________________The past two days, I’ve heard
a lot of such criticism of Obama coming from Congressional Republicans. The GOP
was comparatively restrained in 2008 when the U.S. watched as Russian troops
invaded Georgia. George W. Bush was President then. It's remarkable how
having the President be from the opposite party can cast an entirely different
light on a matter.
On August 15, 2013, CBS News reported about Bengahzi, "Most people were like
down in the Situation Room and [Mr. Obama] was like, 'I'm not going to
be down there, I can't watch this entire thing,'" Reggie Love said
at a forum at UCLA last month. "We must have played 15 hands, 15 games of
spades,"On December 15, 2013, Jerome R. Corsi wrote about the
overthrow of Egypt: ". . . reports indicate the former secretary of state is
being investigated by Egypt’s attorney general.Hisham
Barakat’s criminal complaint against Clinton alleges she conspired with
the wife of former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi – and the Muslim
Brotherhood – to encourage rebels in the nation."On
Saturday, March 1, 2014, Garry Kasparov wrote about Obama and the Ukraine:
"There are always a million reasons for inaction, countless rationalizations
for helplessness. Being resolute doesn’t require excuses.”Obama will do nothing. That is his game plan. He will do absolutely nothing.
Didn't we learn anything from Vietnam and the Bush Wars?Not his
problem, Not our problem.He is not the President of the
"Ukrainian States of America", or the "United
Nations".Ukrainie is not even in NATO.If you
don't President Obama to be King of World, or America being a Police
State, Stop making him one, Stop making America one.
McDugall: The problem is the vacuum of moral leadership that BO has led which
brings us to this precipice. When a bully is in town, the worst thing you can
do is get out of his way. The bully has to know that there is someone in town
that can't be pushed around. Once the bully realizes this, the bully looks
for someone else to fool! BO has not shown any strength representative of the
best ideals in America, unless passivity is considered a virtue. America is the
de facto leader in this world, except when their leaders kowtow to their own
petulance and self-absorption. For me, I take great comfort in knowing that in
this instance, unlike so many others, politics and a speech aren't going to
get him votes. He has to be responsible here, something he is not used to
There is nothing that Obama can do. All Putin has to do is thumb his nose at
Obama and do whatever he wants.
Your point of view is dramatic. President Obama is a peaceful man. USA is not
the senior and powerful authority around the word.
"...Many, including Ian Bremmer writing in the Business Insider, are
concluding that Russia’s military intervention into Ukraine is the most
“seismic geopolitical event” since 9/11. What will Obama
That's the first rule of crisis management when excited people are losing
their heads. The last thing we need are knee jerk 911 comparisons. Obama is
hearing a lot of free advice generously offered from different quarters urging
him to do or say something quickly and strongly. Only a foolish leader gets
stampeded by voices of hysteria.
All the BO hate is really obnoxious. Rather than being part of the problem, be
part of the solution. Offer possible suggestions and ideas, calling someone out
without providing alternatives is amateurish. This is an extremely difficult
situation and outside of declaring war, every move has to be calculated to drive
out the best possible solution. I do agree, that the longer BO waits, the
potential for increased damage becomes greater.
K T Mcfarland at Fox news has a few ideas that the President could use - but I
doubt the Pres. ever reads Fox news, or any of his "believers" for that
matter.So, instead, we'll probably have a "campaign
speech" disguised as a "policy speech".
This is going to be a tough one. It's hard to imagine how this situation
could be backed down. I wish the President all the best for the benefit of us
all, especially the folks of the Ukraine.
BO has failed every test he has faced. Why would we expect anything different