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Published: Monday, March 3 2014 12:02 p.m. MST

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Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

It's easy to see why BYU is projected to be in the tournament, while Utah isn't even being considered for an at-large bid.

#35 BYU(21-10), SOS OOC #8, SOS Conf #128, SOS Overall #33
#82 Utah(19-9), SOS OOC #338, SOS Conf #33, SOS Overall #97

BYU is 7-6 vs RPI Top 100
Utah is 5-8 vs RPI Top 100

BYU has simply won more games against a much tougher SOS.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

As many were saying when this season's schedule was first announced, the Utes killed their NCAA tourney chances before the season started with their pathetically weak pre-conference schedule.

Idaho Ute
Rigby, ID

It's interesting how all of these BYU fans have to take these peripheral moral victories to make themselves feel better, when their teams can't actually take a victory in head to head competition.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

It's obvious that BYU fans are hurting that Utah isn't going dancing this year. How else do you explain the obsession about our OOC schedule.

As far as this Ute is concerned this was a great year. The goal was to resurrect the basketball program, mission accomplished. We showed we can compete in the PAC-12 and are about a year away from competing for the PAC-12 title.

@Uteanymous

Sagarin isn't impressed with BYU finishing #2 in the WCC:

#43 Utah
#44 BYU

BYU is a bubble team after going to the NIT last year. Great accomplishment.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

"Sagarin isn't impressed with BYU finishing #2 in the WCC:

#43 Utah
#44 BYU"

I don't know, Uteology, did you get permission from byu fans to use this ranking. That won't make them happy. LOL!!

Totally agree, this was a great year as the Utes proved they can compete in the Pac-12 and that they are on an upward trajectory. Given where the program was just 2 years ago (and several years before that) the turnaround is remarkable. Coach K is getting it done and doing it quickly. Frankly, I think it bothers our friends at byu. Rose was handed a healthy program and has done nothing with it. Coach K has turned the Utes around and the are headed into the spotlight. One more year!

Go Utes!!

scenic view
Baltimore, MD

Sagarin's ranking obviously doesn't mean much if BYU is in line to be one of the 68 teams invited to the Big Dance, while Utah will once again be left on the outside looking in at the NCAA tourney.

As usual, the Utes are already talking about next season, before March Madness has even begun.

Rose was handed a 9-21 team, that he immediately elevated to a 20-9, NIT team.
coach k was handed a 13-18 team, that he immediately tore apart to produce a 6-25 team.

Mike Johnson
Stafford, VA

Utah is 1-3 against the top 25, including taking a No. 1 team to overtime.

That said, the RPI doesn't mathematically model anything, has a pretty poor correlation with more rigorous systems, and is a poor predictor of performance.

But seriously folks!
Salt Lake City, UT

Scenic View speaks volumes. OUCH!!
Talk about coaches;
Can anyone guess which coach has 9 consecutive 20 win seasons?
Can anyone name the coach that made it to the final four of the NIT last year?
Can anyone name the coach that has made it to the NCAA tourney multiple times while head coach?

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

"the RPI doesn't mathematically model anything, has a pretty poor correlation with more rigorous systems, and is a poor predictor of performance..."

Which of course explains why #35 RPI BYU is projected by most prognosticators to be IN the Big Dance, while #82 RPI Utah is hardly mentioned.

Of the 68 brackets in the latest Bracket Matrix, BYU is included in 56, including ESPN and Yahoo; Utah is only included in one bracket.

UU
Provo, UT

Welcome to another Utah story BYU fans. Your gloating is peculiar given that both the BPI and Sagarin have Utah ranked higher than the Y, not to mention the Utes handed the Cougars their worst loss of the season.

Per Sagarin Utah is 3-5 vs. top 100 while BYU is 3-6. Your team's performance doesn't warrant smack talk given their propensity to lose to the basement of the WCC (see Loyola, Pepperdine, Pacific & Portland). Seriously, who gets blown out by Loyola Mary?

If BYU delivers another one of those spectacular performances in the first round of the WCC tourney, they will be out of the NCAA for sure.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

Idaho Ute

It's interesting how all of these Utah fans have to justify their conference bottom dwelling status by pretending that one game makes as season.

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Mike Johnson

Utah is 0-2 versus ranked teams - UCLA isn't ranked in either poll.

Against RPI Top 25
BYU 2-4 (33%)
Utah 1-3 (25%)

Against RPI Top 100
BYU 7-6 (54%)
Utah 5-8 (38%)

Worst losses
BYU at #198 LMU
Utah at #200 WSU

TWO of BYU's 21 wins came against Bottom 100 (250+) or non-D1 teams
EIGHT of Utah's 19 wins came against Bottom 100 (250+) or non-D1 teams

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

UU

When you can't dispute the most germane fact - that BYU is projected to be in the NCAA tourney and Utah isn't - whine about the source or pretend that something else is more important.

No playoff for U
Salt Lake City, UT

midpacmajor

Nice job blowing up UU's cherry-picked stats and rankings.

Unlike football, Sagarin's basketball rankings have never had much sway with the post-season selection committee.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

But seriously folks!
Salt Lake City, UT
Scenic View speaks volumes. OUCH!!
Talk about coaches;
Can anyone guess which coach has 9 consecutive 20 win seasons?
Can anyone name the coach that made it to the final four of the NIT last year?
Can anyone name the coach that has made it to the NCAA tourney multiple times while head coach?

______

Yeah, talk about the coaches.
Outside of Provo and wishful thinking Cougar fans everywhere else, who cares about your list?

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

It's laughable how Utah fans are so averse to the logical response to the article "A look at Utah's RPI breakdown;" that is, comparing the breakdown of Utah's RPI with the breakdown of BYU's RPI.

Of course, when the comparison shows #35 BYU is MUCH, MUCH better than #82 Utah, it's easy to see why Utah fans refuse to go there.

Elkhorn
Loveland, CO

WACpaddled

Actually, Coach Rose is very well respected nationally and has one of the best records of any coach over the last nine years.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said of any of Utah's coaches since Majerus left.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@wacpaddled

And outside of slc who cares about utah at all? The answer is ovious, absolutely no one, based on the fact they haven't been n the ncaa tourney in almost a decade and are getting absolutely no support to be included in it again this year.

Now I will admit utah is an improved team this year,but a god portion of that has to be attributed to their woeful pre season schedule. It was just about the most horrendous in the entire country and accounts for more than half of their wins. Despite them being able to beat BYU for the first time in 7 tries, and only the second time in around a dozen tries, they would still be a sub .500 team if they had just played a halfway decent OOC schedule.

Yes it is nice to see some improvement, their last several years have been a humiliation to the entire state, but they are not NCAA material a shown in the fact exactly no one considers them to be ncaa material.

UtesBy5
Syracuse, UT

@ Elkhorn:

Elkhorn

Loveland, CO

"Actually, Coach Rose is very well respected nationally and has one of the best records of any coach over the last nine years.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said of any of Utah's coaches since Majerus left."

Have you conducted a national poll to validate your statement? Didn't think so.

For your information, Coach Krystkowiak played and coached in the NBA. I'm betting he has plenty of respect nationally. Furthermore, he coaches in a major conference which is several notches above the WCC.

Go Utes!

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

"BYU is a bubble team after going to the NIT last year. Great accomplishment."

Yes, we know...

BYU making it to the NIT final four last season and only being a bubble team this season is a great accomplishment (sarcasm noted).

Of course, if you were talking about Utah, you would be categorizing the same accomplishment as an utterably, unbelievably, amazing accomplishment.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@scenic view

Rose was handed a 9-21 team, that he immediately elevated to a 20-9, NIT team.
coach k was handed a 13-18 team, that he immediately tore apart to produce a 6-25 team.

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Rose was handed a program that Steve Cleveland turned around after going 15-13 and 1-25. How do you not know your own history? Why are you giving Rose credit for what Cleveland did?

1995–1996 Reid 15–13
1996–1997 Reid/Ingle 1–25
1997–1998 Cleveland 9–21
1998–1999 Cleveland 12–16
1999–2000 Cleveland 22–11
2000–2001 Cleveland 24–9
2001–2002 Cleveland 18–12
2002–2003 Cleveland 23–9
2003–2004 Cleveland 21–9
2004–2005 Cleveland 9–21
2005–2006 Rose 20–9

Coach K was handed a program that was at it's lowest point in history.

Even with a weak OOC Utah is headed to the NIT, same place BYU was last year.

BYU, WCC #2, is a bubble team.

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