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Published: Friday, Feb. 28 2014 7:25 p.m. MST

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samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"PRRI's chief executive officer Robert P. Jones sees the changes as evidence of a national shift, particularly among younger evangelical Protestants, in attitudes on homosexuality overall."
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Actually, the greater correlation is that of a rapidly declining reverence for marriage of any kind.

I think it is a very ominous sign of a general disregard for what are almost dismissively called "family values" by a growing percentage of younger people. Ominous because of all the mountains of evidence showing that stable, loving, supportive families, especially with both a father and mother present, give the best chance for producing stable, loving parents of future families, and people in general.

I will end by trying to head off all those who offer the reflexive response that many very loving, stable, responsible people have come from families that are little like the "traditional" father/mother lead family, by stating that I agree completely. I know and have known many such people and applaud them for their unusual fortitude and self determination.

I'd also refer again to the mountains of data showing that outcome to be atypical and suggest it would be a **good thing** if more people had better odds.

Mrs T
Coalville, UT

This is just a fulfillment of prophecy! This doesn't mean society is developing but instead degenerating. Congratulations to the young woman doing as the Savior commanded the woman caught in adultery, as he told her to go her way and sin no more. As the Savior declared if ye love me keep my commandments.

HelioTeller
Mapleton, UT

I, too, want to make a prophecy. By 2024, the majority of those still against gay marriage will do the mental gymnastics necessary to convince themselves that they were never really against gay marriage in the first place. Even some of the doomsayers, I bet!

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

Golly gee. I wonder if those increasing poll numbers have ANYTHING to do with the Gay Agenda that has been shoved down our throats? We can’t watch a tv show without having a gay character pop up. We can’t watch a news broadcast without having a gay issue being debated. You would think that half the country is gay, wouldn’t you?! But you’d be way, way off.

In an article entitled, "Americans Have No Idea How Few Gay People There Are" published May 31, 2012, in The Atlantic magazine, we learn: The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian, while another 1.8 percent -- predominantly women -- identify as bisexual.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

I wonder if people who favor same sex marriage consider its long term negative social consequences. If the criteria for marriage is simply that people love and are committed to each other, then it won't be long before "marriages" of three or more people, same sex or heterosexual, are also legalized. After all, if they claim to love each other why shouldn't they be able to be married? There are already many "families" like this who are anxiously hoping that same sex marriage will be legalized so they can then have their relationships receive legal status as well. Just imagine the social chaos that will follow in the wake of gay marriage. Do we really want this? It will make marriage meaningless and seriously undermine the traditional family.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Religion is losing its' ability to maintain the stereotypes that reality is discrediting.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@samhill
Statistical averages are problematic to use for setting up laws like your side uses for same-sex marriage. What if we looked at race and which situation is "ideal"? What about income? Should we ban poor people from marrying too?

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

The article leaves out parts of the survey - such as which religions are viewed as hostile to LGBT individuals and issues.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

To "Schnee" who responded to my post by referring to problems of "statistical averages" (are there any other kind?), I suggest you reread the last two paragraphs of my post.

Ice Cream Sandwich
provo, UT

This isn't a political issue, it's a moral issue, and God has spoken on this moral issue. We're in dire need of repentance on a statewide and national scale, and in living again under God's will.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

It matters not what polls or public opinion means. It only matters to what our Heavenly Father has stated through his chosen mouth pieces. That is that any sexual relations outside of marriage as defined between man and woman is an abomination before him. This includes all sexual relations between men and women who are not married and any homosexual act. Therefore, it is up to those of us who hold to the Lord's word to voice that to everyone. Whether you wish to obey or not is up to you, but remember gay lifestyle is not condoned nor allowable to the Lord. It calls for total repentance and to abstain from any sexual relationship except as defined.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

In a generation from now kids are going to be embarrassed their parents ever fought against gay marriage. It will happen. Nobody's life will be worse because of it, but many, many people will have it better because of it.
Time to accept it.

Snapdragon
Midlothian, VA

Kalindra said,

"The article leaves out parts of the survey - such as which religions are viewed as hostile to LGBT individuals and issues."

No religion is hostile against LGBT individuals. Supporting traditional marriage is not a form of hatred.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

I can appreciate the frustration of those of same-sex attraction. Their stand on equal civil rights in my view is constitutionally firm. Why is it, though, that while same-sex attraction is accepted as biological and innate, opposite-sex attraction and family values are described as the result of frivolous social conditioning?

Closer to the truth is a gay-straight divide over separate perspectives on adaptive and maladaptive biological imperatives. To encapsulate the debate as civil rights vs. religious bigotry is to seriously mischaracterize the issue.

higv
Dietrich, ID

It is interesting that those accuse people of being on the wrong side of history. If history is on the wrong side of God than I better be on the wrong side of history.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

The only downside of this piece is the lack of empathy society has heretofore instilled in each of us. Why does it take knowing a gay friend or relative to drive compassion toward their plight? I too justified homophobic tendencies because I was self-righteous and a good follower. But to what end? If a person with whom I've become acquainted fears reprisal for expressing a part of their identity and perhaps ruining the relationship, what does that say about me? Life is simply too short to hold grudges against people and their choices. I applaud the younger generation who, after being exposed to unfamiliar ways of living, are led toward tolerance and love rather than skepticism and hatred.

AZKID
Mapleton, UT

To quote an ancient prophet:

"Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law—to do your business by the voice of the people.

"And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."

Ophelia
Bountiful, UT

I don't understand those who maintain "God has spoken." For example, in Corinthians we're told, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak." I don't hear anyone demanding women keep silent in church. No one takes that scripture literally. This is just one example of many. Why insist that an obscure scripture in Leviticus is God's word and should be taken literally? I don't understand.

What I do understand is my deep and abiding love for my dear son and my wonderful gay friends. I love them! I have wept tears of deep sorrow over this issue. I try to stay faithful to the Church, but it is so difficult.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

@LasVegaspam "The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian,..."

I had a look at this research. There is a difference between identity and behavior. While those identifying as gay constituted a low percentage, those having some degree of same sex sexual encounter was as high as 8%. Apparently we don't have a good handle on the percentage of the population which is gay, but it appears to be pretty high. We shouldn't cherry pick data.

Itsjstmeagain
Merritt Island, Fl

This is one more change to the "Normal" brought about by pioneers in change. This is not unique in history: end of slavery, establishment of Unions, women's rights and even the end of the Viet Nam war was largely due to those who took personal and professional risk to effect change.
What is next?

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