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Published: Friday, Feb. 28 2014 5:25 p.m. MST

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I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

Two gay men have no power to bring a child into this world and no right to take away a mother's love from the child. A boy likewise needs fatherhood in his life. There is no "hate" in wanting to give children the love they deserve.

Robbing children of love is something that will never be tolerated.

Creating a new definition of equality, fair-treatment, rights, and a so-called social class of people who fear morality- these are tactics to tear us apart. But the truth is that a child's rights are real. State-recognition isn't.

The Family proclamation in 1995 reads: "WE WARN that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

We still have time to change. All of us need to. We can all improve, forgive, be forgiven, and repent. The arm of mercy is extended to everyone... EQUALLY. Turning it down has never brought happiness to anyone.

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

I know, etc.......
Your post only brings more decisiveness, anger, lack of compassion, and so on.
This is why our country has chosen for it's citizens to have equal rights. This is why there is the legal division of Church and State in America.
You can think how you choose, belong to what ever religious faith you wish, but just because you like it, does not translate to you being able to dictate to others how to live their lives.
Is it really that difficult to grasp this concept?

benjoginko
Cottonwood Heights, UT

How is a gay couple wanting to adopt a unwanted child, robbing that child of love? I just don't get it. Sure I believe that the optimal situation for a child is to be brought up by a loving mother and father, but when that isn't a option then why deny two people who love each other the opportunity to raise a child that needs parents?

Zionide
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

And what's your argument against two women having a daughter?

I'm sure it's equally invalid.

"Robbing children of love" is one of the most absurd claims I've ever read here, and that's saying a lot. Your line of reasoning implies that the children of single parents receive half of much love as those who have two parents.

Your reference of a church proclamation has no bearing on this discussion of civil law, as the proclamation does not apply to citizens are not members of that church.

Keep your religious reasons in your religion, and let the rest of us live our lives and raise our children as we see fit, without your asinine interference.

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ

Polygamist families went through these same sort of legal road blocks many times in this nation's history and yet very little was given in support. This happens to gay non-biological families and it makes the front page news throughout the country. I understand the gay community wants to only protect themselves and the straight community wants to do the same, but the hypocrisy from the gay community as they turned a blind eye to the polygamist communities is karma.

Enough is enough!
Saint George, UT

Someone needs to intervene.....please!!

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

The only thing 'clear and certain' in this case is that plaintiffs’ marriage licenses were issued, contrary to Utah law, but pursuant to a federal judicial injunction, which has been stayed and is on appeal.

It's particularly egregious that one Judge went out of his way to disregard the laws of the State. The State has therefore not gone out of it's way into highly private, highly personal cases but rather is duty bound to support, enforce and defend the laws.

intervention
slc, UT

@i know it

"Robbing children of love is something that will never be tolerated." Yet that is exactly what you are attempting to do, deny this boy the protections of having two loving parents in his life.
Do you think the bio father is going to magically appear and the bio mother will go straight just to fullful some fantasy leave it to beaver family?

The. Courts are not bound by your churches proclamations or your personal views of the ideal family, until the state can actually prove that children are harmed by same sex adoption they will continue to lose.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Mother nature didn't want two people of the same gender to be parents together. Ever. And I'm with mother nature

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

riverofsun,

My dad taught me to be compassionate and loving. While I'm as capable as anyone to forget or neglect the truth... I generally consider how my comments will be read. In this case, I did before posting.

To stand up for a moral truth is not unloving just because you don't want to accept it.
To stand up for protecting children from an institution proven to be harmful is an act of love.
To invite others to stop, repent, and return... without hard feelings or retribution... is SURELY an act of love. Unlike us, God's love is infinite.

To deny a child the love of both their Father and Mother, not because of extraordinary circumstance, but to satisfy the choice to live by principles every human being knows to be wrong... that is surely unloving, without compassion, past feeling, and unjust.

Everyone has the chance to stop hating, stop hurting themselves and others, and change. The invitation is to live truly happy by returning to what is truly a good and beautiful thing. I know for myself about it because I looked for the truth and found it. That isn't religious ignorance.

Bob K
portland, OR

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ
"...the hypocrisy from the gay community as they turned a blind eye to the polygamist communities is karma."

This illustrates now nonsensical the discussion can become.
The polygamists do not support equality for Gays, but when the Gays do not support polygamist rights, they are bad?

There are only 2 reasons for the opposition to marriage equality and adoption, neither of which is legal, nor Constitutional:

1-- Some folks just do not see that "those people" are equal, and will do anything to keep them from sitting in the adjacent seat at the lunch counter, or the same section of the bus.

2-- Some churches have no way to integrate their Gay members and their members' Gay offspring, so they finance anti-rights campaigns, preach against it, etc.

The lds, believing in revelation, actually have an easier time to change than most other religions, if the prophet will only listen clearly to God, and be told that equality is His will.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

@ I know it. I live it. I love it.

Until everyone's god agrees, the best we can do is base our laws here on Earth on what the evidence shows. It shows that we have no more to fear from LGBTs parenting children than we do from heteros parenting children.

@ Chris B

"Mother Nature" isn't a person and doesn't have an end goal in mind. You're seeing intention where there is none. You're also missing the fact that homosexuality consistently occurs in humans and other species, making it natural rather than unnatural. And you're missing the fact that the ability to procreate has no bearing on whether a person will make a good parent.

To the adults and children whose lives continue to be negatively impacted by our discriminatory laws against LGBTs, I'm sorry. Some still "know not what they do," but we're working on it and the light on the horizon is getting brighter and brighter. Justice is coming.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

@LovelyDeseret
Polygamist as mentioned have never supported SSM, and you must be forgetting what a wonderful example Warren Jeffs was for the virtues of polygamy.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Haven't homosexual couples opted out of the child-bearing game? Natural law says they cannot have children; therefore, adoption goes against nature. You don't have to appeal to any religious or moral teachings to come to this conclusion.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

I'm a dictator? Really? Last time I checked, my legal power to express and vote my opinions was just as valid as everyone else's.

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Children deserve a loving Father and Mother.

Using straw-man arguments actually make your arguments weaker, not mine. I clearly qualified the love children deserve. Mothers can't be replaced. Fathers can't be replaced.

This is about taking something away from children in order to satisfy what adults want. There is nothing loving about it. It's purely selfish.

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Ryan T. Anderson articulated it perfectly before the Indiana House Judiciary Committee. If you can handle 10 minutes of respect, reason, fairness, and actually putting children first for a change... then watch it. Google is your friend.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

@ I know it. I live it. I love it.

"To deny a child the love of both their Father and Mother, not because of extraordinary circumstance, but to satisfy the choice to live by principles every human being knows to be wrong...

Your religion and others have held other beliefs as "truths" that were later revised or recanted. The most generous way to look at this is that the religious often misinterpret what their god is telling them. They're human - they make mistakes. So I don't think the confidence with which you state your position is warranted.

Having said this, I do believe you are sincere when you say your intent is to be loving. Unfortunately, good intentions do not lessen the harmful effects of the actions you take or don't take as a result of your belief.

I do hear your fear, but you will see that all will be okay. Little will change except that a small minority of people - my beloved nephew included - will no longer be treated as second class citizens. He isn't. He's first class all the way. His god thinks so too.

LiberalJimmy
Salt Lake City, UT

Despite the many here that continue to post hate and use hate as a tool to get their points across (regardless if they have one or do not) justice is soon arriving in Utah and nationwide! The same logic and weapons were used during the civil rights movement. We all know how that turned out.

intervention
slc, UT

@chris b

Are you also with Mother Nature when it comes to couples coming together just long enough to procreate then go thier seperate ways. How about mother natures drive some animals to leave their unborn alone and never returning?

Jimmytheliberal
Salt Lake City, UT

Once again Utah is a national embarrassment and becomes the punch line of jokes on late night television. We should all be so proud.

Danclrksvll
Erin, TN

We raised cows when I was young and you need a bull and a heifer to propagate the species.Two bulls cannot reproduce and could not raise a calf if they had one which is impossible.

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