Comments about ‘'Son of God' co-producer Roma Downey hopes movie inspires new interest — and faith — in Jesus’

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Published: Friday, Feb. 28 2014 5:00 a.m. MST

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J-TX
Allen, TX

Another Hollywood remake?

ironmania
San Diego, CA

The book is way better than the movie.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

ironmania wrote:

"The book is way better than the movie."

As is usually the case with fiction.

Steve in Ohio
Galloway, OH

@The Scientist

And what proof do you have that the book is fiction?

Perhaps a "scientist" who doesn't use the scientific method to reach his conclusions might be better classified as a "philosopher".

Just a thought from one scientist to another...

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

So, Scientist, are you denying that the Man called Jesus didn't exist?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Coach, do you not understand what "Fiction" means.

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

I wonder how it ends?

jeanie
orem, UT

I don't understand people who make short, conclusive statements about the "fiction" of religion. If there is something worth considering - speak persuasively. Flip statements made in the guise of "fact" really offer nothing but an angry drum to beat.

@ Happy Valley Heretic, "Religion is answers that may never be questioned."

As a very religious person I was unaware that we couldn't question religion. My religion began with a question about religion and has grown to include millions of others - because of their questions.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

@ The Scientist

That Jesus Christ lived is a historical fact, just like Caesar Augustus or Herod the Great. That he lived can be disputed only by the ignorant or uniformed. Some say he was a man. Others say he was a great teacher. I say he is the Son of God.

Whom do you say he is?

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@Harrison Bergeron

Neither ignorant nor uninformed here. He most likely didn't exist. Like dozens of other mythical demigods, the story of Jesus compiles awe-inspiring attributes and links the increasingly fractious Jews with the other pagan worshippers. Were it not for the fact that the very same scenario played itself out in every civilization, the uniqueness of Christianity would be worthy of serious consideration. It's not however. Hence The Scientist's deservedly flippant remark.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

slcdenizen

While they may disagree on the particulars of his life, virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus lived. Events of his life and his crucifixion were documented by non-Christians such as Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus. In fact his life was more documented than any of his contemporaries. To deny his existence puts one in the same category as those who claim the moon landings never happened.

That he lived is not in question. The question you must answer is: "Who was he?"

I believe he is exactly who he said he is: The Son of God.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@Harrison

The single mention by Josephus was almost certainly inserted centuries after his death. It mentions Jesus being the son of God and begs the question: why was Josephus certain about the divinity of Jesus but never became a Christian? Why would a historian detail thousands of events but write only one sentence about the son of God, as if in passing? Why did the census from the bible not take place in any other historical record? It would have been a significant event to require all individuals to return to their hometown simply to take a census, right? Why do the apostles have conflicting accounts of events? Only in the context of these records being created decades after the events in question in order to convince the Jews of the arrival of the Messiah does this make sense. The birth of Christianity is more a tale of the transition of power from Roman rule to Roman Catholic rule in Europe. To each their own, but when such certainty is echoed about ahistorical figures and events only attributable to a religious text, free passes should not be given.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE Slcdenizen, (Isaiah 9:6)For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, ‘Mighty God…”.

Apostles' Creed, 390 A.D.(Jesus) Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried.

Eusebius, quoting early apocryphal accounts, stated that Pilate suffered misfortune in the reign of Caligula (AD 37–41).

The First physical evidence relating to Pilate was discovered in 1961, when a block of limestone, the Pilate Stone, was found in the Roman theatre at Caesarea Maritima, the capital of the province of Judaea (Iudaea). Bearing a damaged dedication by Pilate of a Tiberieum,[the dedication states that he was [...]ECTVS IUDA[...] , prefect of Judaea.

Sacred Names(nomina sacra) used in Greek, Latin, and Coptic manuscripts, starting sometime in the 1st Century CE, the nomina sacra were sometimes shortened by contraction in Christian inscriptions, resulting in sequences of Greek letters such as IH (iota-eta), IC (iota-sigma), or IHC (iota-eta-sigma) for Jesus (Greek Iēsous), and XC (chi-sigma), XP (chi-ro) and XPC (chi-rho-sigma) for Christ (Greek/Christos).

Gemini
Australia, 00

I actually had a chance to see that interview referred to in this article and it's quite courageous to hear Roma talk about Christ with such faith and conviction. She said she left satan "on the cutting room floor" where he belongs because he gets too much air time as it is. I wholeheartedly agree.

There is so much evil, saddness, terror etc., in the world and we need to hear more about what the other side offers in this earth: light, love, redemption, eternal life... Yes, indeed, satan does not need any more air time, neither do those who call "The Son of God" a work of fiction.

Let's use this space to say ONLY positive things about Christ and the love and sacrifice he made for us until there is no space left for those who oppose Him! Light blocks out darkness even with small flickers!

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@Sharrona

That evidence is ironclad. Thank you for doing twenty minutes of research. Not quite sure I'll return to confession, but it's comforting to know the evidence for Jesus remains scant. Point A: Isaiah preceded the Bible, any prophecy therein would need to be confirmed by an actual event. Point B: 390 A.D. is the date of the Creed. 32 A.D. was the event in question. If I were to make historical claims on fresh documents regarding the 17th century, would it be credible today? Point C: The rule of Pilate is not in question/doubt. Not sure why that would be relevant. Point D: Jesus was a common name, hence the frequent use of the name by our other dubious historian, Tacitus. Moreover, why would such an event only deserve brief mentions and not volumes of details? Criss Angel walking on walls gains millions of views on youtube, yet when a man is performing miracles in Judea, no one but his immediate followers take notice?

jeanie
orem, UT

slcdenizen -

Point 1. The mere fact that there is scant historical evidence is actually proof that Jesus Christ was who he said he was. He was clear, as were the prophecies many year previous to his earthly life, that he would be rejected by not only his people but by the world. Why then would there be evidence in abundance for a man who the world didn't believe to be God's son? And just like today, miracles are explained away by those who cannot abide that they happened or who are offended at the source.

Point 2. While I disagree with many of Sharrona's posts, I'm not sure what the dig at her was for. Believe me, she does much more than 20 minutes of research and in this post I stand with her.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Slcdenizen “Jesus(Yeshua/or Joshua)was a common name.” True, But Christ is a title.

Christ is taken from the Hebrew “Mashiach” or ”Anointed One“ in Greek “*Christos” anglicized to Christ. The English translation of Mashiach or “Anointed One” is Messiah. Examples of this title in the O.T. are (Dan 7:13, Psalm 2:2). Jesus claimed this title in the N.T. (Mk 14: 61-62).

Sacred Names used in *Greek manuscripts, starting sometime in the 1st Century CE, (chi-sigma), XP (chi-ro) and XPC (chi-rho-sigma) for Christ (Greek/*Christos). Other unique examples: Savior ΣΗΡ, Cross/Stake=stauros ΣΤΣ, Mother of God (Mary) Theotokos ΘΚΣ.

Micah 5:2, Born in Bethlehem, Luke 2:4-7; Dan 9:25 Time for Jesus Birth Luke 2:1-2.

Jesus and feasts of Israel: 1 of 7: Passover (Lev 23:5) The Messiah as our Passover lamb (1 Cor 5:7) whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover at the same hour that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening.

RDJntx
Austin, TX

slcdenizen wrote:
"Criss Angel walking on walls gains millions of views on youtube, yet when a man is performing miracles in Judea, no one but his immediate followers take notice?"

really? I would venture to say that youtube, cell phones, and other technology of the masses MIGHT just MIGHT have some bearing on the differences in viewership. A comparison of the two is illogical.

frankly I think the fact that Muslims (he is mentioned in the Qur'an some 93 times), jews (they view him as a false messiah but acknowledge him as an historical figure), and Christian (real and divine) is enough evidence to say that he was a real person. the only qusestion still up for debate is his divinity.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

jeanie -

There are two lines of reasoning behind the purported existence of Jesus in this argument. 1 - Jesus actually did live and was the Savior/Messiah to the endless number of groups and religions on which they lay claim. 2 - He did not live, or was not the Savior/Messiah and the story's creation served a purpose other than is widely understood. I argue for the second due to the shaky historical claims of number one which is debated above. Moreover, the fact that there exists a convenient backstory explaining the mysterious existence of Jesus as well as the warning that some would deny the tale, does not contribute to the facts of the matter, but rather to the natural mechanism humans have always used to dispel doubts. For example, many still believe in the vague claims of Nostradamus who, prior to issuing prophetic declarations, warned about those who may be skeptical toward his claims. Does this tactic contribute anything to the actual claims of Nostradamus? Or is it a simple method of charlatans to cast skeptics in an unflattering light? Ask yourself, do you believe in Nostradamus? If not, then he prophesied correctly.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

slcdenizen: "The single mention by Josephus was almost certainly inserted centuries after his death."

Not true. He also recounts Caesar sending Albinus to have "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" tried by the Sanhedrin. And perhaps the account of John the Baptists execution was also inserted? And I suppose you would say the same about Tacitus and his references to Christ and the crucifixion? And Pliny the Younger? And of course the same conspirators could have easily done similar to the writings of the Greek satirist Lucian. And then there are sources such as the Babylonian Talmud and the Mishnah which portray Jesus as a sorcerer magician or aim to discredit his actions, but none deny his existence.

Questions or apparent incongruities are not evidence of an event not happening. The moon landing hoax folks use the same tactic: Why are there no stars in the sky? How come the flag seems to wave in the breeze where there could be no atmosphere? Who filmed Neil Armstrong stepping onto the Moon?

That Jesus lived and was crucified is accepted by virtually all historical scholars. That he resurrected and lives still, is my personal conviction.

Casey See
FLOWER MOUND, TX

To those who doubt that Christ lived and is divinity is the very reason the Book of Mormon was written. Another Testimony of Jesus Christ - seen by those in this continent after his resurrection.

Yes, you may try and refute that the Book of Mormon is a fraud as well, but to those who seek and ask with a sincere heart wanting to know, God will testify otherwise.

To reject these two testimonies is to acknowledge that life has no point, no purpose, for then we are all created by happenstance, with no hope for the future.

If we are all created by happenstance, how do we have individuality? How do identical twins have differing personalities? They came from the same zygote and egg, fertilized in the same womb, born to the same mother and father, yet are totally different in personalities.

If they have no soul, no spirit that existed before, from whence came this difference? Scientist, please tell us! Please explain how each and every person born on this earth is unique, yet still came oozing out of the mud in a random chain of events.

No, God lives and so does his son, Jesus Christ.

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