Are the athletes more important than the honour?
Good to hear. Many have hoped this change would be made. What good ever came out
of tearing someone down in public. Not good for the individuals involved, the
school, or the families.
DickExtremely well researched and well written. Reflects my sentiments
exactly. But some of your colleagues at DN take an opposing position as evinced
by some articles that came out during the Hadley incident.Thanks for your
analysis of the issue, especially the legal aspect, something I hadn't
It was never the honor code that detailed what the players did. Even if
byu's official position had been a violation of team rules, the media still
would have detailed the infraction. So while this may seem very different, the
end result will be the same. The media found out why Hadley was suspended with
the help of typical ute "fans" and blechen's errors(multiple failed
drug tests) detailed by the media even though the official statement per Utah
was a violation of team rules.
No Hutterite Athletes are not more important than honor - but people are
important and their dignity is important and honor does not always demand that
we air our mistakes in public. Honor includes the protection of peoples privacy
and their personal conditions.Perhaps there are some who are
comfortable telling everyone about all their mistakes - I suggest that gossip
and curiosity are not honorable.Respect, discretion and love are. A
young man or woman makes a mistake does not entitle the world to know the
But any other coach wouldn't say they are gone cause admitted they had done
more than hold hands or had a beer last night, or wore flip flops or whatever
infringement occured. Why would BYU think a lie is better way to handle an
honor code dismissal? Can't they say it's an honor code issue and not
say what honor code issue it is? Sounds like they are more concerned about their
image more than the athletes. Sounds more like hiding the number of dismissals
due to honor code so it's honor code isn't criticized.
Close, but still need to wipe out the remaining 2 exceptions. There should be NO
exceptions - let the athletes and their families be the ONLY ones that speak for
their issues. You wouldn't want BYU or anyone else speaking about your
kid's issues in the public arena. Imagine if your Bishop were
to comment on any legal issues that impacted your membership. It just would
never, ever happen. BYU should be no different.
Hutterite - "Are the athletes more important than the honour?"No, they will still face the same exact disciplinary results, the only
difference is rather than being honestly blunt about the infractions, the school
will simply say no comment. It simply brings them back to the level of any other
student on campus who slips up. Their misdeeds aren't broadcast to the
world. The are handled discretely between those who need to be involved. You as
a member f the public do not have a "Right to know" and do not need to
be involved. If the student wishes to speak out about his struggle, then he is
For athletes at BYU, any honor code violation is breaking team rules. To
respond in that manner to the media is accurate while at the same time protects
the privacy of the athlete. The school and the coaches do not owe the media and
the public any information beyond that.If the honor code violation
is public record, e.g. involves a police arrest, then the media has access to
those public records. If the athlete provides details to the media...well, that
is his/her choice. BYU is not changing its honor code, and its
athletes are not being exempted from it. Its athletes will continue to be held
accountable for any violations, along with any punishment that accompanies those
violations. The athletes are not being placed above the honor code
as an earlier poster suggests.
They should not have made this public either. The media will still figure it
out. Someone will know an athlete hasn't missed any practices/violated
team work rules and there will still be the speculation that someone slept with
their girl/boy friend. Hopefully, no athlete has a vindictive roommate or
girlfriend causing one mistake to mar them for life. These are super high
prices to pay. Why do we still remember Brandon Davis or Harvey Unga? What if
they were to attend your ward on Sunday? Everyone would be thinking... We can
be so unforgiving, unlike the Savior. But this new policy is better. I will
take what I can get.
@HutteriteNothing has changed except BYU won't callout
"honor code violations" and will merely leave it more general like
violoation of team rooms. This has nothing to do with athletes being more
important than honor. The punishment will still be the same. I think it is a
good move but i am not sure how much it will change the media from digging to
find out the scoop anyway.
Are we setting up to cover up?
Totally agree with this, it is private matter that should be kept private. The
other studnets at the Y do not have their mistake boradcasted all over the
school grounds or in the media.
This is a similar policy to the change in the LDS excommunication announcement
process which had hurt others as much as the person who had the problem in the
same way as this article states. The only problem still is the media and a
delving reporter trying to make headlines on speculation and probably we could
say to embarrass the school. Other schools do not have this problem, since with
an announcement of an infraction, nothing more is said. The BYU
honor code remains and is not changed but love and concern for those involved
increases with this change.
"Within hours, a Utah newspaper announced to the world...."Gee - I wonder what Utah newspaper that might have been. Probably the same
one that goes out of its way to embarrass BYU athletes.
No cover-up... no lies ...simply no comment except violation of team rules end
of story and by the way..it truly is none of anyone's business! To avoid
leaks, the fewer people who are involved the better. Speculate if your small
tabloid mind insists on speculating, but again no further comment.
Good move BYU. The athletes deserve their privacy respected as far as it is
possible in this digital age. We Americans are throwing privacy
overboard at a truly alarming rate. I believe we will all rue the day that we
happily gave away our American rights.
Thanks for this article. I was ticked off that BYU even mentioned honor code
violations. I now understand why BYU was doing that to begin with - ala making
nice with the media. I go back and forth about the two exceptions.
On the matter of public record I say let the public record be the only record
and that BYU should not comments. On the 2nd about an athlete
taking something public, that is harder. My thought is that BYU should not have
any comment unless BYU is being unduly disparaged or if the truth is not being
told. But, that gets into gray area.
"Many in the national media certainly touted that. BYU “stuck to its
guns,” but offenders were run over — then backed over again."And so. . . isn't rehashing this whole thing basically (backing
over them again) with past athletes violations of the honor code opening up what
BYU claims to be discontinued in the future? There is irony here too discussing
the violations of past athletes all over again to make a point. I
am appalled by the article pointing out what BYU is trying to ameliorate
regarding athletes past behaviors. They have rights of privacy just as much now
if not more.
We don't excommunicate young adults from the church...especially repentant
ones.Then why are we still kicking them out of college?Unintentionally, we've created a culture of "busting" our
neighbor at BYU or "paying" for our sins. Last time I checked, someone
else "paid" for our sins.Grace is a good thing, folks. A
very good thing...
Honestly this isn't even an issue of BYU publicizing this stuff, this is
100% on the media. They are the ones that dig around to find out exactly what
the kid did and they are the ones that publish, or broadcast, it. BYU itself is
in a tough situation because the media isn't going to simply accept the
simple explanation that "team rules were broken". So while this is the
right thing for BYU to do ultimately it will not make a bit of difference as far
as these things being publicized in the media. If media types are offended by it
they have no one to blame but themselves, they are the culprits.
I would join those who believe this policy is long overdue. I'm frankly
surprised that BYU had ever entertained questions about "honor code
violations." As Dick points out, every other school simply says its a
"violation of team rules" which is a genteel way of saying "none of
This is simply a matter of protecting the students privacy and doing everything
possible to help them work through their mistakes privately. Other universities
have been doing this for a long time and I'm glad BYU finally saw the value
in it. Nothing is gained by making a spectacle of an athlete's mistake.
This actually is an effort to put the athletes more on par with the other
students, whose mistakes don't get paraded in front of the world. Because
of their high profile, there will always be more interest in them than the
average student, but the university can help sheild them by not disclosing the
pamper the sweet little babies. athletics must never seem to be sullied. oh
While I've long argued that athletics are given way too much importance in
schools and universities, and that the focus of education should be on academics
and not adults playing children's games, those who participate in them
should still be given the same respect and right to privacy as everyone else on
campus. We don't hear about John Jones, an English major, being disciplined
for violations or Mary Smith, in the math department, being called on the carpet
for screwing up, so why should athletes be treated any differently? Unless the
student does something that involves the police and courts, it's none of
This is very good news indeed. As most of the other posters have said in
essence that just because someone has the label of an Athlete it doesn't
mean that they should be treated differently in regards to the honor code.Treated differently specifically meaning that they shouldn't have
their sins (private problems) given explanation to the media. Student Athletes
generally work hard in order to get their scholarships so why should have be
punished excessively when they foul up?No one else gets punished
excessively when they make a honor code violation. If we likened this to the
real world it would be like getting a ticket and then the officer asks you
"Are you a BYU Athlete?, Oh, you are? well in that case you get double the
fine!"There is a song at the beginning of the movie gone in
sixty seconds that goes "Ain't nobody know my troubles but..GWOD"
This won't change anything as far as the media is concerned. Agree with
everything Duckhunter posted above.
Good change. About time. BYU doesn't comment on other students honor code
violations, why should they with the athlete. I know you can make the claim
that they are public figures, but that is a stretch. These are 18-24 year old
kids at college. We were all dumb and stupid back then, and should have more
compassion. Glad for the change.
I'd love it if reporters asked about BYU athletes' personal issues and
the coaches responded, "That's none of your business." Teachers,
coaches and professors are in the business of building and protecting, not
destroying the long-term reputations of students and student-athletes. Our country has sacrificed privacy in so many ways. We all should step in and
shut down the media frenzies, "reality" tv, etc.
I think we all agree that student athletes should be given the same compassion,
understanding and forgiveness as any other student but it seems as if you are
saying that if the change had been made before the basketball scandal BYU would
maybe would have been a higher seed and perhaps a final 4 team. BYU got a lot of
respect for its commitment to honor over athletics and now you seem to be saying
it should have been handled differently and that the player should have remained
on the team for the good of the school. Selling souls for the sake of winning is
not a new idea.
This is a good move by BYU. The problem is, now that they used to go public
with honor code violations (bad idea) now everyone will just assume any
suspended athlete violated the honor code, the rest is left up to their
imagination. For the long run this is a good idea, but short term athletes that
are suspended will get labeled as honor code violators.
For once I completely agree with Mr. Harmon. This was the right move by BYU and