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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 26 2014 8:25 p.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Are the athletes more important than the honour?

Elk Hair Caddis
Sandy, UT

Good to hear. Many have hoped this change would be made. What good ever came out of tearing someone down in public. Not good for the individuals involved, the school, or the families.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Dick
Extremely well researched and well written. Reflects my sentiments exactly. But some of your colleagues at DN take an opposing position as evinced by some articles that came out during the Hadley incident.
Thanks for your analysis of the issue, especially the legal aspect, something I hadn't fully considered.

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

It was never the honor code that detailed what the players did. Even if byu's official position had been a violation of team rules, the media still would have detailed the infraction. So while this may seem very different, the end result will be the same. The media found out why Hadley was suspended with the help of typical ute "fans" and blechen's errors(multiple failed drug tests) detailed by the media even though the official statement per Utah was a violation of team rules.

BYU Joe
MISSION VIEJO, CA

No Hutterite Athletes are not more important than honor - but people are important and their dignity is important and honor does not always demand that we air our mistakes in public. Honor includes the protection of peoples privacy and their personal conditions.

Perhaps there are some who are comfortable telling everyone about all their mistakes - I suggest that gossip and curiosity are not honorable.

Respect, discretion and love are. A young man or woman makes a mistake does not entitle the world to know the details.

K
Mchenry, IL

But any other coach wouldn't say they are gone cause admitted they had done more than hold hands or had a beer last night, or wore flip flops or whatever infringement occured. Why would BYU think a lie is better way to handle an honor code dismissal? Can't they say it's an honor code issue and not say what honor code issue it is? Sounds like they are more concerned about their image more than the athletes. Sounds more like hiding the number of dismissals due to honor code so it's honor code isn't criticized.

BU52
Provo, ut

Good!

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Close, but still need to wipe out the remaining 2 exceptions. There should be NO exceptions - let the athletes and their families be the ONLY ones that speak for their issues. You wouldn't want BYU or anyone else speaking about your kid's issues in the public arena.

Imagine if your Bishop were to comment on any legal issues that impacted your membership. It just would never, ever happen. BYU should be no different.

Seposm
Evanston, WY

Hutterite - "Are the athletes more important than the honour?"

No, they will still face the same exact disciplinary results, the only difference is rather than being honestly blunt about the infractions, the school will simply say no comment. It simply brings them back to the level of any other student on campus who slips up. Their misdeeds aren't broadcast to the world. The are handled discretely between those who need to be involved. You as a member f the public do not have a "Right to know" and do not need to be involved. If the student wishes to speak out about his struggle, then he is welcome to.

Laurels
Sandy, UT

For athletes at BYU, any honor code violation is breaking team rules. To respond in that manner to the media is accurate while at the same time protects the privacy of the athlete. The school and the coaches do not owe the media and the public any information beyond that.

If the honor code violation is public record, e.g. involves a police arrest, then the media has access to those public records. If the athlete provides details to the media...well, that is his/her choice.

BYU is not changing its honor code, and its athletes are not being exempted from it. Its athletes will continue to be held accountable for any violations, along with any punishment that accompanies those violations.

The athletes are not being placed above the honor code as an earlier poster suggests.

483bzac
West Valley City, UT

They should not have made this public either. The media will still figure it out. Someone will know an athlete hasn't missed any practices/violated team work rules and there will still be the speculation that someone slept with their girl/boy friend. Hopefully, no athlete has a vindictive roommate or girlfriend causing one mistake to mar them for life. These are super high prices to pay. Why do we still remember Brandon Davis or Harvey Unga? What if they were to attend your ward on Sunday? Everyone would be thinking... We can be so unforgiving, unlike the Savior. But this new policy is better. I will take what I can get.

Austin Coug
Pflugerville, TX

@Hutterite

Nothing has changed except BYU won't callout "honor code violations" and will merely leave it more general like violoation of team rooms. This has nothing to do with athletes being more important than honor. The punishment will still be the same. I think it is a good move but i am not sure how much it will change the media from digging to find out the scoop anyway.

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

Are we setting up to cover up?

evansrichdm
west jordan , UT

Totally agree with this, it is private matter that should be kept private. The other studnets at the Y do not have their mistake boradcasted all over the school grounds or in the media.

Lolly
Lehi, UT

This is a similar policy to the change in the LDS excommunication announcement process which had hurt others as much as the person who had the problem in the same way as this article states. The only problem still is the media and a delving reporter trying to make headlines on speculation and probably we could say to embarrass the school. Other schools do not have this problem, since with an announcement of an infraction, nothing more is said.

The BYU honor code remains and is not changed but love and concern for those involved increases with this change.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

"Within hours, a Utah newspaper announced to the world...."

Gee - I wonder what Utah newspaper that might have been. Probably the same one that goes out of its way to embarrass BYU athletes.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

No cover-up... no lies ...simply no comment except violation of team rules end of story and by the way..it truly is none of anyone's business! To avoid leaks, the fewer people who are involved the better. Speculate if your small tabloid mind insists on speculating, but again no further comment.

Magna Ute Fan
Magna, UT

Good move BYU. The athletes deserve their privacy respected as far as it is possible in this digital age.

We Americans are throwing privacy overboard at a truly alarming rate. I believe we will all rue the day that we happily gave away our American rights.

AZguy
Phoenix, AZ

Thanks for this article. I was ticked off that BYU even mentioned honor code violations. I now understand why BYU was doing that to begin with - ala making nice with the media.

I go back and forth about the two exceptions. On the matter of public record I say let the public record be the only record and that BYU should not comments.

On the 2nd about an athlete taking something public, that is harder. My thought is that BYU should not have any comment unless BYU is being unduly disparaged or if the truth is not being told. But, that gets into gray area.

Ethel
Home Town USA, UT

"Many in the national media certainly touted that. BYU “stuck to its guns,” but offenders were run over — then backed over again."

And so. . . isn't rehashing this whole thing basically (backing over them again) with past athletes violations of the honor code opening up what BYU claims to be discontinued in the future? There is irony here too discussing the violations of past athletes all over again to make a point.

I am appalled by the article pointing out what BYU is trying to ameliorate regarding athletes past behaviors. They have rights of privacy just as much now if not more.

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