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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 25 2014 12:25 p.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

They're not 'coming for' anybody. What they're coming for is your unconstitutional right to have your oppression codified against others. This kind of rhetoric is just inflammatory.

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ

How ironic. This country was originally settled by people who wanted religious freedom. Now, 400 years later we are trying to chase freedom out in the name of sexuality.
There is no freedom without freedom of religion. The government should not force people to do things against their basic religious beliefs. Especially when it involves moral issues.

SanAntonioreader
San Antonio, TX

Also according to Albert Mohler, "I do not believe that Mormonism leads to salvation. To the contrary, I believe that it is a false gospel that, however sincere and kind its adherents may be, leads to eternal death rather than to eternal life. Indeed, I believe that Mormonism is a prime example of what the Apostle Paul warned the Church to reject – 'a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you.'” Can someone please explain to me why this man keeps getting invited to speak at BYU, or why any Latter-day Saint should care what he thinks?

Jon W.
Murray, UT

@SanAntonioreader: It's because, as LDS people, we are taught to disagree without being disagreeable, and to work with other religions that share our values if not always our theology. I could only hope that those who wish both Mormons and Evangelicals jail time will also come to abide by the same philosophy.

P.S. if you are my sister, HI!

Mack2828
Ft Thomas, KY

The man is right. The progressive radicals are determined to eventually banish religion to the far fringe of society...or even worse. Just read the ugly, hateful comments here and at the SL Trib whenever their is an article that even remotely relates to religion. You see firsthand a very real, deep seated hatred for religion. It is dark, evil and scary to behold. And he is right, the pace they they are moving at is breathtaking.

I have no doubt that we will eventually see the day when we will be forced to either say "homosexuality is not a sin" or go to jail. Sounds paranoid? Yeah, but if you had told someone in the '80's or '90's what we would be dealing with today they would have called you paranoid.

Believers know that all of this craziness is only fulfilling prophesy. This day has been foretold in the scriptures for centuries. Believers also know how it will all end. But still, to live in it and through it makes me shudder just a little bit!

stuff
Provo, UT

I never thought I'd see the day that this Book of Mormon scripture, written regarding the sign of the 1st Coming of the Savior, might again be fulfilled in our own day. The way religious rights are being demolished, and the hypocrisy of those who plead for tolerance and rights, it could happen, sadly.

Now it came to pass that there was a day set apart by the unbelievers, that all those who believed in those traditions should be put to death except the sign should come to pass, which had been given by Samuel the prophet. 3 Nephi 1:9.

Natester
Cedar Hills, UT

I for one am overjoyed that BYU invited Mr. Mohler back. BYU and by extension, the LDS Church, agrees on far more issues with Evangelicals than they disagree. Doctrinal differences aside, the point of his speech was that Christian voices must unite instead of divide, when it comes to issues such as liberties. He's right, "We've forgotten God." If you want evidence of it, just keep reading the remainder of the reader comments, connected to this and other like articles, who will cry equality but really preach censorship. If I say my beliefs are that homosexuality is a sin and marriage shouldn't be re-defined, I'm labeled as a homophobe and I'm silenced. They claim equality and preach censorship.

SanAntonioreader
San Antonio, TX

@ Jon W.
Thanks for the feedback. I did not advocate being "disagreeable." At the same time, I believe it would be foolish and naive to "team up" with people who really believe you are doing the devil's work. Evangelicals like Mohler are happy to feign friendship and "use" Mormons when it is convenient, but they do not "share our values." At least not mine. Since when is denying service/charity to others, regardless of their beliefs or lifestyles, an LDS value? Shouldn't we be striving to be more like the good Samaritan than the self-righteous priest and Levite in Luke 10:30-37? p.s., I am not your sister. :) I'm just a middle-age grandpa who is more comfortable in the company of my homosexual friends than "Christians" like Albert Mohler.

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

Nobody is seeking to persecute anyone for their religious beliefs. (Look up what "persecute" means sometime. Or read a history book about the oft-persecuted Jews.) Would that we could say the same, that no one was seeking to persecute anyone in America for their lack of religious belief. Both things are constitutionally protected, you know.

It seems to me that we don't have a war on religion. We have a war BY religion, at least conservative religion, on secular society.

As a Quaker, I will defend the right of Mormons and Evangelicals to worship in any manner they wish. In their own homes and churches/temples. However, I will not surrender my own right to worship and to hold beliefs and to offer religious rites to those WE choose. Nor will I surrender my right as a citizen to be free of government force in support of any religion's tenets. If government recognizes your marriages, it should recognize ours.

Separation of Church and State, as defined in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is necessary to the practice of both individual religious conscience and free and fair government.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

So the pharisaic representative addresses the sadducees extolling the virtues of following the letter of the law. He may even support codifying their common understanding of the text into the law. If only this scenario had played itself out before and been written down, perhaps even included in a religious text. But I'm sure those who claimed to understand that text would take certain parts more seriously than others and miss the general concepts like "do unto others"...

Mexican Ute
mexico, 00

stuff:

It is incredible to say the least. The Book of Mormon, as President Benson said in General Conference back I think in April of 1987 if not October of 1986, in that we can see a parallel of the things that are going to happen before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, in the books of Helaman and 3 Nephi.

I went a little further back into Alma and saw the parallels from the Revolution clear up to post-Civil War.

Glad to see I am not the only one that thinks we are in 3 Nephi 1 on the parallel. 3 Nephi 2-4 are downright scary though, and if you want to see where that goes, look at the streets of Kiev and Caracas in recent days. That is coming to you guys very, very soon.

stuff
Provo, UT

No one should ever be punished or forced out of business for not doing something they find contrary to their conscious. It is one thing to let any decent, polite person into a restaurant and an entirely different matter to force people to take pictures of gay events, making them first-hand participants.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mack2828
As opposed to those who bash atheists, homosexuals, and Progressives all the time? Check out what a non-moderated rightwing forum looks like (ex: the Blaze). You'll get the same stuff you see at the Tribune, just coming from the opposite direction.

(On a related note, comment moderation is a large part of why I particularly like coming to this site for news and participating in these discussions, heh, even if I do occasionally lose a comment of my own from it).

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

By the way, I'm not trying to excuse rudeness from Progressive/gay/atheist commenters, I'm just saying there's a ton of rude people on the internet across every single demographic and that believing one side of the political/spiritual aisle has a stranglehold on it doesn't seem to be the case.

Danite
Salt Lake City, UT

@SanAntonioreader,

As a Latter-day Saints we have to recognize what our doctrine is also. "The great and abominable church" is interpreted as any organization that takes people away from the one true gospel with its accompanying ordinances....that would include Mohler's church. We see each other in a similar way, acknowledging major doctrinal differences that we do not believe will lead us to the same state in the afterlife: celestial kingdom (us) or heaven (them). We don't look down on them or they us simply by acknowledging our differences. Now is a time of unity and resolve to build relationships with like minded friends and strengthen our support base. We don't need to make enemies of friends because they don't believe we're going to their version of heaven. Bytheway, our Christian brothers and sisters are remarkable and it is a pleasure to work with such faithful, God fearing people. I would be surprised if we didn't see a lot more of this in the future.

The Final Word
Alpine, UT

@SanAntonioreader

Its really not that difficult to understand. They do share many of our values when it comes to religion and family. When you share a common objective there is strength in numbers. Just because you differ in some respects doesn't mean you can't affiliate and find common areas to support. Many people who started out thinking one thing about the church and their theology have learned over time that it may not actually be what they initially thought and they have changed their views. Is there a better way to make that happen than focusing on commonalities?

Your statements just support the common media theme...you are and others have reason to somehow be uncomfortable around Christians (like they should be feared) while at the same time tossing out the innuendo that Christians can't be associated with homosexuals. Thanks for perpetuating the media lie/myth.

Ranch
Here, UT

What about the religious freedom of those this Evangelical and the LDS oppose? Does their religious freedom not matter when it clashes with yours? I guess not, because you don't see this Evangelical or the LDS defending the religious liberty of these folks.

Mack2828
Ft Thomas, KY

Would anyone be in favor of forcing an African American baker to bake a beautiful, elaborate, decorative cake saying "Congratulations and Best of luck for a wonderful future" for a Ku Klux Klan event?

Crusader
Layton, UT

Every Southern Baptist that I have ever spoken to believe without a doubt that Mormons are NOT Christians.

GreatScot
Eagle Mountain, UT

They have already arrested a preacher in Canada for citing old testament scriptures against homosexuality. And in the US they have fined businesses for not providing funding for abortions. When inalienable rights can be changed by mere humans, they are no longer inalienable.

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