@ idabluEverybody knows he can score. That was never the debate.
The fact is, teams want a point guard who can run an offense and create
opportunities for other players. Nobody has a need for a one-dimensional PG,
who is also a liability on D.
@IdabluI was just calling you out for the "dominating Lillard
head-to-head". That was total nonsense. Lillard didn't get as much
national attention as he played in a smaller school and conference. I am not
sure he wouldn't have won NPOY if he was focused on that. If he stuck
around for his senior year, I think he would have been one of the favorites to
win it. Did you know he skipped his senior year as he was a lock for a high
pick in the NBA draft? I bet many Cougar fans and DesNews Sports Reporters
don't know that.Jimmer is a great shooter, but as Gene Hackman
once said, "there is more to the game than shooting, there's
fundamentals and defense." This is why all the NBA scouts knew Lillard
would be a better player. He was talented in all areas.Hey, I think
Jimmer is a neat person. He's an inspiration to church basketball hogs
everywhere. I hope he gets another shot to prove himself. I just don't
see him having a starting role in the NBA. I wish him nothing but the best.
@baller3Orem, UT@Uteology You still mad about his 47 bro?----------Not as mad as Cougar Nation, for him not being
selected on the All-Star team.
@WildcatOK if that is the game you want to play, Jimmer won several NPOY
awards. How many did Lillard win?Look, I'm happy for Lillards
(and Miller's) accomplishments in the NBA. He deserves them and I have
stated as such. I am just defending Fredette against the trolls who ignorantly
say he doesn't belong in the NBA.
Who cares about how much money he's making? LDS doctrine says money
isn't everything. You can't take it with you when you die. Materialism
is infecting Provo these days.
@IdabluThe much anticipated match-up of Jimmer and Lillard never
really happened. Jimmer's Senior year Lillard broke his foot and was out
of the line-up in BYU's 72-66 win at Weber State. Other than that they
played head-to-head twice. Lillard's Freshman year Lillard had 2 points in
23 minutes of play while Fredette had 18 points with a few more minutes (which
was Jimmer's Sophomore year), and Lillard's Sophomore he scored 23
points and Jimmer (Junior year)scored 23 points as well. I wouldn't call
that dominating head-to-head unless you really want to count Lillard's
Freshman year. If that makes you feel like you can justify Jimmer ahead of
Lillard, sure go ahead and do it. A Rookie-of-the-Year trophy, NBA All-Star
selection, and the overwhelming consensus of NBA players and scouts suggest
otherwise, but the yokels at the DesNews Sports Staff might agree with you.
Jimmer needs a tryout with the Harlem Globtrotters, that is probably the only
other place where somebody might be willing to pay him to play basketball.
I think the Lakers would be smart to purchase this bargain. He would become a
great replacement for the aging and much overpaid Steve Nash. But then again,
the Laker ownership is grossly misguided, nowadays.
The haters will obviously never be able to move past that 47-point beat down
Jimmer laid on them in his final visit to the Huntsman.It must
really hurt to see Jimmer making millions in the NBA.
I'm a very loyal Ute fan but watching Jimmer in college was very
entertaining. I hope Jimmer gets a chance with a decent team and then we can
determine whether he has the skills for the NBA or not. The Kings are a
dumpster fire of a franchise and Jimmer was subjected to pathetic
coaching/changes every year. Jimmer has suffered from the coaching carousel
similar to what Alex Smith faced in SF for several years. Pretty tough to show
what you can really do in those circumstances.While it was painful
to watch my Utes lose to Jimmer and the cougs, his outside shooting was amazing
to watch. He seems like a good guy and hopefully he gets a real opportunity
with a legitimate franchise.
Sure wish the Mavs would pick up Jimmer!
Uteology seems to find great happiness in the failure of others, Jimmer in
particular. Jimmer's multi-millions, happy marriage, 2 years of fame and
college achievements demonstrate Jimmer's hard work and fortunate
circumstances. Somehow in college he had all the athleticism he needed and he
couldn't be stopped. I cheer for Utah players, and loved the Smith/Bogut
years. Do multi-millionaires take their skills to Europe? Did Jimmer leave BYU
with a good degree? Certainly he has a lot, loads, of business contacts in Utah,
Colorado, NY and No.Cal to be successful as a businessman/portfolio manager.
Those were great times at BYU and love watching Jimmer torch defenses still as a
King when he plays. I wish Jimmer the best in whatever comes next.
All the hue and cry about Jimmer not being a defensive player makes me laugh.
Have watched NBA games for several decades now and rarely see guys working very
hard on the defensive end. It's more about making the basket. And he can
do that certainly. If he were to play on a team with a big name or two, where
he is free to shoot while the big shot is being double teamed, Jimmer could
really shine. Besides, how many guys in the NBA have his family and work ethic?
The NBA needs guys like him who talk about their wives, and go home to them at
night, and set a good example of a really decent person. My hat is off to Jimmer
Did I really see someone say Andre Miller was in more demand? That old glue
horse? Please. The reason why no one traded for Jimmer was because they could
pick him up in free agency. Ding ding ding! That is exactly what is going to
happen. Andre Miller, that was a good one.
TM58I whole hearted agree that Lillard has been tremendous and has earned
his place in the NBA. Maybe "break" isn't a good term. What I mean
is he was given a fair opportunity to showcase his talents. It is hard to make
the argument that Jimmer has received that same "fair opportunity" when
he has the highest 3-point percentage in the NBA and one of the highest
production per minute played, and yet isn't allowed to play. Let him go to
a team that will actually exploit his skills and if he flops, I'll shut-up.
But I' m confident he won't.Two For Flinching"...his ability to shoot is missing the mark..."Missing
the mark?! What are you talking about?! His ability to score is precisely the
point, whether it is at a 2 guard or 1. And don't give me that "1.5
assists and 0.4 steals" nonsense when he is only playing a few minutes a
@joe5You used a quote without siting the source to make it sound
like that the national media/sports writers agree with you that Jimmer is a
baller. Which is not true. I gave you two sources that disagree with you.I already told you why Jimmer will be cut, re-read the Sporting News
quote. He can't play defense, is not a point guard and is too small to
play a shooting guard.
Everyone talking about his ability to shoot is missing the mark. Jimmer is not
a 2 guard. He has to play point, which means he has to be a faclitator on
offense, not the main scoring threat. Teams have no use for a point guard who
averages 1.5 assists, and 0.4 steals per game.
If Jimmer was so great how come wasnt he traded at the deadline when the kings
were offering nothing for him? Face it, even at this stage in his career Andre
Miller is still more in demand.
Probably a blessing in disguise.
True that a local college product like Damian Lillard should get more print and
attention from local media such as the Deseret News. He was the unanimous
rookie of the year last year. Only 3 others in NBA history have accomplished
that and their names are Blake Griffin, David Robinson, and Ralph Sampson. He
is a well-deserved All-Star in only his second season. He is a bona fide star!
He will be (if he is not already) the most successful Utah college product at
the NBA level. By the time he is done, it will not be even close. The only
ones I can think of that would be considered are Danny Ainge and maybe Andre
Miller. Management and coaches in the NBA are not biased. If you can play, you
will play. Lillard was not given a "break" by the Trail Blazer coaches
and management. He flat out earned it by his talent, work ethic, and ferocity.
His is a phenomenal story and should get more love by the local media.
The Kings are full of great athletes and defenders. That's why they win so
Ok, I get it that you BYU haters are mad that Jimmer gets a lot of attention
when guys like Miller and Lillard are tearing it up in the NBA and getting
relatively little print in DN. That's a beef you'll have to take up
with DN. But to sit there and say Jimmer sucks and doesn't
belong in the NBA, after he delivered several whoopings on Utah, and soundly
outplayed Lillard head to head, is just plain immature. It's like the fans
of the home team chanting "You Suck, You Suck!" To the visiting team
that just beat them by 40 points. The main difference I see between
these guys is good fortune. Miller and Lillard landed on teams that gave them an
opportunity to showcase their skills. Management and coaching in the Kings
organization have NOT given Jimmer that kind of break. I am not saying Jimmer
will be a starter in the NBA, but he might be in short order if he goes to a
team who needs a deadly shooter.
Jimmer is a class act. That is why he wasnt' a good fit for the Kings.
The kings have the 4th worst record in the NBA and they have allowed more points
per game than all but 3 other teams. Anyone who says the problem is that
Fredette is bad on defense is talking nonsense. The Kings point blank
don't know how to win and don't know how to play well as a team.
Fredette will be much better off going somewhere else where they recognize that
scoring more points than the other team is how you win and passing the ball to
the best 3 point shooter in the NBA is a very good way to score points...
Great birthday gift to the Jimmer. Happy B-day and good luck!!
Uteology: I know the conversation has moved on but I can't be at my
computer 24/7. Sorry I couldn't respond earlier.In my comments,
I suggested stats (facts) carry more weight than opinions. Your response was:1) Provide more opinions. I think your words were: "It wasn't
just one scout, it was multiple scouts. And I provided you a second source, I
can provide you with more sources if you like. Or you can do your own
research?"That seems like kind a snarky comment to make. But
I've found that it is common practice to take personal shot at someone when
your argument is weak.2) Pretend you are an insider knowing that
others based their actions on those stats when there could be 100 reason that
have nothing to do with the stats why Sacramento is letting Jimmer go and other
teams didn't rush to pick him up in a trade.I'm fine with
you having an opinion but I think I'd rather spend my time with someone who
"knows" what he is talking about instead of "feels" what he is
talking about.Some other time maybe ...
@Ekute...It's Glens Falls, New York. In high school he played in The
Foothills Conference. Town is north of Albany via the 87 on the way to Lake
Regardless of what you think of his talent, he works harder than anyone posting
here. He deserves a lot of credit. Thousands of guys have tried to make it to
the NBA and never came close while Jimmer can light it up (and has) on the same
court as Carmelo, LeBron and Tim Duncan when he's been given the chance.
None of us here could do that. Period. Give the kid props.
The guy could EASILY stay in the NBA for many more years. It would just take a
team willing to accept the weaknesses because they love his strengths. All that
said, the comment from the NBA "scout" about him playing in Europe in 2
years, may be accurate. Not necessarily because it's a knock on
Jimmer's ability to stick in the NBA, but more because in Europe he could
potentially PLAY a lot more than a role on a team, AND he could potentially make
(quite a bit) more money there than in the NBA.
This is one Ute fan who wishes Jimmer well. He was a lot of fun to watch and
has some incredible offensive skills. Personally, I hope he gets an opportunity
elsewhere in the NBA, then both sides of the Utah/BYU divide can stop all the
speculation about whether he belongs or not. If he goes to the Knicks or
Memphis, he may get a chance to resurrect his career and get a fresh start.BYU fans, get real though, he won't be going to Miami. A team who
is a defense first team would never bring in Jimmer Fredette. They already have
enough 3-point shooters in Ray Allen, Battier, Chalmers, and Wade. The Heat
need big men who can defend and rebound against Indiana, not more shooters.Jimmer could fit on a team that needs a spot up shooter for 10-15
minutes per game, but just because he might be freed from the NBA's worst
organization in the Kings, doesn't mean Jimmer will suddenly get more
playing time and average double figures in scoring.
Whatever happens to Jimmer, another NBA team or Europe, I wish him well. Under
very adverse circumstances in Sacramento he handled the situation with nothing
but class. Much more so than many of the comments posted here. Best of luck to
you Jimmer. You deserve it.
Hard hitting research (basketball people on twitter) reveals that memphis and
new york have interest in jimmer. Obviously it's early, but it looks like
he's staying in the U.S. a little longer...probably to remind people in SLC
how much they hate him.
Crow "now he can go off to Europe with Hoff and never be heard about
again."Truth in all its forms "have fun in europe jimmer." Do you guys know something I don't know? I just looked at ESPN,
Sports Illustrated, and USA Today. In the three largest sports outlets articles
about Jimmer are currently being linked to from the main page. Why do you think
national sportscasters care so much about someone who is not even going to play
here? Haters gotta hate. Go Cougs!
have fun in europe jimmer.
Free at last, free at last! Time for the Jimmer Show to begin at MSG.
Its about time his career in the NBA came to an end. now he can go off to Europe
with Hoff and never be heard about again.
"This season he's shooting 94-of-198 (47.5 percent) from the field, and
he's made an incredible 36-of-73 (49.3 percent from behind the 3-point
line.If anyone says those stats don't have value in the NBA
than you don't know basketball. Jimmer can shoot the ball and by virtue of
that alone someone will pick him up. Is he superstar material? Probably not but
he can be an instant outside threat from the bench. As for defense, there are a
lot of NBA guys who don't play defense very well. Jimmer will be fine.
I watch the NBA too much. I don't understand the argument that Jimmer
can't play defense. There is no D in the NBA. Danny Ainge wallowed in
Sacramento with the Kings and now it is apparently Jimmer's turn. There is
a reason that the Kings are consistently at the bottom before Jimmer arrived and
after he leaves. Hopefully his purgatory ends soon.
@UteologyLet me guess. You're one of those boo birds who loudly boos
Jimmer every time he touches the ball when he's playing at a Jazz game. Man, show a little objectivity in your assessment of Jimmer and you might
garner a little credibility.
Really funny to see all the opinions from up on the hill. Must still have back
side sores from where he torched you for 47 in your otherwise 'empty but
for blue fans' red, dark, concrete cavern. It would also be funny to
compare how many of the bandwagoners who are troubleshooting the state's
latest athlete multimillionaire are the same ones who cried for years that
Alexis Smith wasn't getting a fair enough shake in SF, had too many
coaching changes, and wasn't surrounded by decent players.Give
Jimmer a fair shot away from the buffoonery that is Sacramento and then make the
I like the wannabe that try and use some scout said this and another said that
to prove their point. There were a lot of scouts that claimed that Ryan Leaf
was going to a lot better than Peyton Manning. I can find stuff like that on
the internet all day long. Facts are that pre-draft his numbers were good and
showed athleticism that people didn't think he had. Better vertical than
Leonard. He warranted the number 10 pick so he is NBA caliber from a basketball
standpoint. Then they bring up the Kwame Brown's of the world who are lazy
and don't do anything to improve. That's not Jimmer. It may be
possible that his main deficit is that he's been with an organization that
doesn't know how to play or teach defense. They have no one who does that
very well on that team. Just because you hate BYU go somewhere else and show
off your awesome U of U education.
I'd suddenly become interested in the Jazz again if they picked up Jimmer
and gave him 20 minutes a game. I only hope he ends up on a team that will
play him consistently off the bench. I enjoy his playing style and scoring
I'd certainly take Jimmer over John Lucas III, if it were my team. At
least more of the arena seats would be getting warm on game night.
Poor guy probably wants just to be left alone and move on with his life outside
of basketball. He probably hates "Jimmermania" but he's to nice to
say anything. Good luck Jimmer, you will never be forgotten at BYU, in the state
of Utah and in Glen Falls.
The only accurate thing we can say is "We'll see." And hopefully we
will. If somebody gives Jimmer a chance on a decent team, he may surprise. He
may not. I've watched him, and his defense is nowhere near as
"horrid" as some would say. I mean, please, give me the name of the
point guard who can stay in front of Tony Parker. Defense is a team thing.
It's all about helping and rotation. All I know is that in college, no team
found a way to stop Jimmer with two defenders, which is what he usually faced.
So, hopefully, we'll see. If not, he'll make a tidy sum in Europe.
Let the haters go back to their own jobs...if they have one.FREE
JIMMER! He's too good a shooter in a league that doesn't have many
shooters. I still believe Jimmer can play in the NBA.
@Uteology You still mad about his 47 bro?
I am amazed at the ignorance of some of the comments on here. Anyone who has
paid attention to Jimmer's career with the Kings knows that when they have
given him minutes he has produced. I fully admit that he is a liability on
defense but to say that he is completely worthless defensively is in denial. You
cannot question his abilities on the offensive end and that is what will entice
an NBA team to sign him. If the Jazz were smart they would sign him. There are 3
things that he would bring to the team. Production off the bench, merchandise
sales and he would fill more seats. The jazz have John Lucas for crying out
loud. If you don't think Jimmer would be of better value to the Jazz than
Lucas, you must not know basketball.
Jimmermania went the way of the lava lamp and mood rings. Cool why it lasted
but just a passing fad. He's a good guy. Good luck Jimmer.
@joe5It wasn't just one scout, it was multiple scouts. And I
provided you a second source, I can provide you with more sources if you like.
Or you can do your own research?The statistical support Favale
provides is the same statistics that Sacramento used to cut him. And the same
statistics that other teams analyzed and found that he was not trade worthy.
Uteology: So one source provides statistical support for his assessment and the
other nothing more than educated opinion. Facts is facts and, frankly, I put
more credence in them than some anonymous scout. Your scout probably thought
Oden was better than Durant and Kwame Brown was a "can't miss"
Sorry John Paxson, not Jim
I will be the first to admit that I am not the biggest basketball goo-roo, but I
do understand that game and watch it, more college than anything. It seems
since he went to Sacramento they never used him right or as much. Not sure if
he is NBA caliber, I know he has proven himself a few times, and has been
terrible on other occasions, but what professional athlete hasn't,
especially if you are a newby like Jimmer was. I don't think he ever got a
fair shake to showcase his talent which is shooting. We all knew his defense
was suspect even in college.I agree with many that if the Jazz did
pick him up, that alone would sell tickets. For a little bit. But I think a
team, even a good NBA team could use a 6 man off the bench for a few minutes
here and there for some points.Jimmer actually reminds me a lot of
Jim Paxson from the Chicago Bulls, never a big star or big minute guy, but came
off the bench scored 5 to 10 points a game as a role player. And had a
successful career in the NBA.
Does anyone else see the irony in this?Sacramento decides to give
him some one-game playing time in NY media-rich environment and he lights it up!
Then they put him back on the bench?!What does that tell you? How
is it that a supposed "barely a 12th man" can shoot like that? What
other 12th man can do that at all? Ever?I am no Jimmer homer and I
think his defense is horrid and he is too short to be a viable starter given his
skillset but if you can shoot like that then he should be able to get floor
time.It is near impossible to shoot that well/efficiently with as
little playing time as Jimmer has had. There are few players in the NBA that
have his range...the dude can launch long bombs effortlessly. Sacramento is the biggest joke of an organization. Everyone acts like they
are smart for trying to unload Jimmer but meanwhile the results prove they are a
clown organization that chronically loses...with Jimmer sitting....who torched
the knicks. Make up your minds instead of talking out both sides of
@joe5Or you might compare him to Steve Kerr five-time NBA champ with
two different franchises. Fredette is every bit as good a Kerr at both ends of
the court.---------------Not according to NBA scouts:Indeed, Fredette was the universal choice as college player of the year
for the 2010-’11 season, when he averaged 28.9 points in his senior
season. But NBA scouts worried that Fredette did not have a real position at the
next level and that his defense was too poor to warrant him getting big
minutes.That, essentially, has been Fredette’s story to
date—he is not capable of running the point, and at 6-2 he is vastly
undersize to play shooting guard. It has been primarily because of his defense
that he has been limited to a career-low 11.3 minutes per game this season.Source: Sporting News
@joe5You just quoted Dan Favale from Bleacher Report as your
national source? Good one!Here's a better quote:"Jimmer Fredette will be in Europe in a year or two. He has no future in
the league. None. He can't create his own shot, he has a hard time coming
off screens for a shot and he's not a point guard."SourceNBA scout says Jimmer Fredette 'has no future in the
NBA'Brad Rock, Deseret News
When will the Jazz figure it out that they wouldn't have to give tickets
away at business downtown on game day to fill up the arena if they brought this
AlteregoHarrisville, UTOne thing is certain regardless of
where Jimmer plays out this season, there hasn't been another NBA player
with (pre-NBA) Utah ties that garnered this much local attention-----------You mean that has garnered this much
"undeserved" local attention. Even in this article:"He probably wouldn't be a starter anywhere in the league right
now, but he could be a valuable sixth man who can hit a few key shots at a
critical stretch."Really, a 6th man? He's barley a 12th
man. One would think that if teams thought he was a valuable 6th man they would
have traded for him. He plays no defense so I can't imagine
ANY team playing him down the stretch in a close game.
From one article (a national source, not local):“For a guy
averaging 18.7 points on 47.5 percent shooting overall while knocking down 49.3
percent of his three-point attempts per 36 minutes, that's a bargain.
Fredette has long been criticized for his defense and the fact that he's
more of an undersized 2-guard than a point man, but you can't teach that
kind of efficient scoring.”There is no question Fredette is
NBA quality. He reminds me of JJ Redick who came into the league with exactly
the same bad rap as Jimmer. Redick's actually carved out a pretty good
niche for himself. Granted, he has been injured this year but he was considered
the top acquisition at last year's trade deadline and one of the solid free
agent pick-up in the off-season.Or you might compare him to Steve
Kerr five-time NBA champ with two different franchises. Fredette is every bit as
good a Kerr at both ends of the court.Claiming Jimmer is not NBA
quality is no reflection on his playing ability but a reflection of the
ignorance of the one saying it.
The Jazz could always buy out one of their bench warmers and bring Jimmer in for
peanuts to add situational firepower.
Who knows if Jimmer can have long term success in the NBA. If you don't
play, you can't prove yourself.
@Flyer"This gives him an opportunity to sign with a team that
values his skill-set, and which he can contribute to immediately."Don't bet on it. The Kings were practically willing to pay another team
to take him and nobody did.You are right about one thing: The Kings
are a horrible franchise, and drafting Jimmer is exhibit A. Unfortunately for
Jimmer, the Kings couldn't dupe another team into making the same mistake
they did.If I were Jimmer I would brush up on my Turkish.
Before calling Jimmer bust remember that it will take 99% of Americans 3 life
time to earn how much he earned in 1 year. I wish I was that bust. Good
luck Jimmer. Still love watching highlights when he busted uses, they are still
hurt from it. As a basketball fan I have never seen anyone with as high
entertainment value as jimmer. Go Jimmer!
This is great news for Jimmer. The Kings are a horrible franchise, and it's
way past time for both to part ways. This gives him an opportunity to sign with
a team that values his skill-set, and which he can contribute to immediately.
The guy can flat out shoot, and this is a valuable commodity in the NBA.
Everyone knows that his defense in suspect, but that's not what the next
team will sign him for. Good luck to the Jimmer!
One thing is certain regardless of where Jimmer plays out this season, there
hasn't been another NBA player with (pre-NBA) Utah ties that garnered this
much local attention. I say good luck to him and wish him much success.
Hopefully he continues to work on his overall game (defense) and improves as a
What a total bust for the Kings. Good thing the Jazz didn't make the
mistake of drafting Jimmer. Jimmer's probably headed over to
Europe or maybe Turkey to play ball now. He doesn't have the talent or
athleticism to play in the NBA.