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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 25 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Sven
Morgan, UT

Ms. Collins,

I'm always amused when the Left feigns outrage at something somebody says; especially about President Obama. The only people with thinner skin than Obama, are his supporters...especially his cheerleaders in the media.

Where were you the eight years George W. Bush was president?

*Remember the movie that was made, and celebrated by liberals, about the assassination of President Bush?

*Remember Barbra Streisand likened Bush to Herman Goering?

*Remember what Sean Penn said about Bush: "I am more patriotic than this president we have, who I consider a traitor of human and American principles.”

*Remember what Julianne Malveaux of USA Today said about Bush: "George W. Bush is evil. He is a terrorist. He is evil. He is arrogant. And he is out of control."

I could go on...

You're a reporter, yet the only thing negative you could dig up on the Left, and their treatment of Bush, was Alec Baldwin threatening to leave the country...seriously?

My short list of outrageous things said by liberals about Bush, make Ted Nugent's comments inconsequential.

Were the Left's "Rude, inflammatory political chatter a harmful sign of the times" when Bush was president also?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Ms Collins is right. There is inflammatory political rhetoric on both sides of the isle.

So, is that an equivalence? Seems to Ms Collins it is.

There will always be fringe elements on both the right and the left that will overstep the bounds of decency. Nothing that we can do about them. (however, we can police ourselves)

But, we don't have to celebrate them. It is one thing to not have the backbone to publicly denounce over the top rhetoric, but we don't need to elevate their stature.

Sorry, but I don't see an equivalence.

The GOP base loves Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh and what they say and stand for. And that is fine...... until the GOP leaders include them as spokespeople.

Possibly you can find those on the left who have publicly said similar things to Nugents recent rant (If so, show me). But can you show where the party embraces them?

That is the difference.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

This editorial totally misses the point of public outrage over Ted Nugent's inflammatory comments.

The outcry is over the fact that Texas Republican gubernatorial hopeful Greg Abbott has RECRUITED Nugent to campaign for him!

The outrage is over the fact that Mr. Abbott recruited someone who released a record in 1981 called "Jailbait", which has lyrics so sordid I won't even quote them!

The outrage is over the fact Ted Nugent is cheered on by a hardcore group of people who actually think he is speaking on their behalf!

SEY
Sandy, UT

I couldN'T care less, either.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

The office of the President has and deserves respect. The holder of that office has to earn that respect. I have no respect for the present occupant of that office and that has no bearing on my patriotism. Respect for someone who takes no responsibility, who has proven to be untrustworthy. No thanks.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I agree. But when I've asked people to tone it down, especially towards the President (who has been abused more than any President in modern times), they get angry. Look at the comments of "mohokat." No one thinks they are the problem, and they rationalize their behavior in some astounding ways. So, tell me what is the solution? As long as you have the fractured media, and media who are either intellectually dishonest, cowardly, cannot connect the dots, or are advocates, then the discourse will not change.

SEY
Sandy, UT

I'll admit that I was extremely critical of President G.W. Bush, but I'm every bit as critical of President Obama. They've both been disasters. However, I find the epithets thrown by Ted Nugent as crossing the line of acceptable discourse. When you begin to dehumanize other individuals, you can find yourself on the road to unacceptable behavior. It gives you license to do things to others because they're no longer human. It makes it easier to inflict physical or psychological harm on them because they're now a threat to "the rest of us humans." We see that in wars when soldiers on one side call the opposing soldiers hateful names. If others don't meet our standards of thought or behavior, we need to remember that they're still our fellow men (or women). The act of dehumanizing others is itself dehumanizing to those who engage in it.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

I agree with mohokat. The office deserves respect, but the person holding that office must earn our respect. When the President blames others for his own failures, he deserves no respect. That doesn't mean that we should resort to name calling, but it does mean that we can and should speak about his failures.

Why aren't people talking about the administration's redefinition of "freedom of the press"? His administration is campaigning to oversee news outlets to insure that they print only what Americans "need". They've already defined our need as those things relating to our "safety" and our "health". That in NOT why we have the 1st Amendment. We have that amendment to keep government out of the newsroom, out of the editorial offices, out of TV and out or radio. Read history. How many nations became dictatorships after the government "gave" the people health care and then restricted the media?

There is enough to write about without calling names, but no one is required to respect an individual who has not earned that respect.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Some of you clearly don't like the President and have made arguments for yourself to assuage any conscience you might have against that dislike. Fine. Next time, vote for your man.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

JoeBlow:

I didn't hear the rant of Ted Nugent, but from the reports I heard, it was very over-the-top inappropriate. We can disagree (often emphatically) with the opposition without resorting to those kinds of tactics.

But I am also sorry that you cannot (or won't) see the blantent examples of similar behavior on the left. There are flame-thowers from radical leftists all over the place that are openly embraced by the Democratic party, their leaders, and the president himself!

Jeremiah Wright, Bill Maher, Al Sharpton, and Michael Moore are just a few examples. Elected officials like Al Frankin, Alan Grayson, and Maxine Waters say stuff that is just as bad. President Bush endured rude behavior from the left all day long, yet so many liberals pretend that the current outrage over Obama's policies is something new.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When the bullets and bombs of a hot war end, sometimes the war just takes on different weapons and keeps on going. Such is true about the American Civil. The weapon of choice is hate. Aggravated by the oppression of the winning side, the losers easily find the resources and motivation for the creation of hate. And when the level of hate becomes high enough the hot war may very well start all over again.

If a child misbehaves and is punished by the parent, when the punishment of finished, the child is often accepted back with all the love and care that was there before. If only we could learn from our successful experiences.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Nugent's outburst says more about who he is than anything about the President.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

JoeCap. As I stated in my post, I agree that there is over-the-top rhetoric on the left.

And your examples of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Maher, Al Sharpton, and Michael Moore.

These folks are not on the campaign trail. They do not speak at the Democratic National Convention.

" Al Frankin, Alan Grayson, and Maxine Waters say stuff that is just as bad."

As bad as what? Nugent? Who?

"so many liberals pretend that the current outrage over Obama's policies is something new."

Of course "outrage over policy" is nothing new. But we are not talking about "policy differences".
We are talking about blatant and personal hatred. The GOP seldom distances themselves from those who spew such hatred. In Nugent's case, he is celebrated. He is on the campaign trail.

Rush says over the top things. As does Bill Maher. But Bill Maher would NEVER be asked to speak at the DNC. Nor would Rev Wright.

We cant help what the fringe wackos on either side say or do. But, I dont see where the left embraces their fanatics and brings them on stage.

Feel free to give me instances.
Go listen to Nugents rant.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Does Ted Nugent live in Utah?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

JoeBlow: I could give you instances all day long where "the left embraces their fanatics and brings them on stage". Somehow, I doubt you would acknowledge any of them.

The civility will never return until BOTH sides openly condemn outrageous comments from the radical wings of their own party as adamantly as they condemn similar comments from the other side. Party leaders must shun such behavior even when they perceive a political advantage by embracing it.

I'm not optimistic that this will happen anytime soon but your failure to recognize that your party is just as guilty as the GOP isn't going to help solve the problem.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

You go clear back to the 30's when Roosevelt ran against Hoover. That was the modern start of all of this, and back then it all came from the Democrats. They have raised it to an art form that came to its zenith during the W. Presidency. Harry Reid has never been called out by the media for his inflammitory rhetoric regarding President Bush.

You are crabbing about Nugent. You ought to be crabbing about the whole Democrat establishment. "He was born with a silver foot in his mouth", Ann Richards. Need I say more.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Which is worse:

Ted Nugent calling President Barack Obama a "subhuman mongrel."

or

President Barack Obama being calling the "Anti-Christ", "ObamaNation" or "Son of Perdition" in LDS Gospel Doctrine or Preisthood meetings?

It's ture, It's happened -- many times.

[And you people wonder why I sometimes get up and walk out of church...]

FT
salt lake city, UT

I agree with Craig Clark. The comments say much more about the person than the President. The congressman who yelled out "liar" during the state of the union, Ted Nugent, Micheal Moore, or Alec Baldwin are all cut from the same cloth. What they said is meaningless because of how they said it.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Articles like this, and really so much of what our media showcases and has become, makes me wonder repeatedly when we are going to stop paying attention to our village idiots.

Esquire
Springville, UT

See, even after reading the op-ed piece, some commenters still express their hatred for the President, relying on media propaganda that if full of falsehoods, misrepresenting the man and his policies. These commenters will never accept anyone not of their party or choosing. They attack even his legitimacy (just as they did to Clinton). Having worked for leaders in both parties, I am calling out some of the commenters here and asking them to focus on issues, on reality, and on facts, instead of Fox and other right wing propaganda intended to bring the President down or otherwise weaken him. We all have policy differences, but to want to destroy the duly elected leader of our nation, just because you disagree (and you are in the minority, after all), does not seem to me to be patriotic. Seems like a totalitarian state might be your preference in reality.

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