Published: Tuesday, Feb. 25 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
Ms. Collins,I'm always amused when the Left feigns outrage at
something somebody says; especially about President Obama. The only people with
thinner skin than Obama, are his supporters...especially his cheerleaders in the
media.Where were you the eight years George W. Bush was president?
*Remember the movie that was made, and celebrated by liberals, about
the assassination of President Bush? *Remember Barbra Streisand
likened Bush to Herman Goering?*Remember what Sean Penn said about
Bush: "I am more patriotic than this president we have, who I consider a
traitor of human and American principles.”*Remember what
Julianne Malveaux of USA Today said about Bush: "George W. Bush is evil. He
is a terrorist. He is evil. He is arrogant. And he is out of control."I could go on...You're a reporter, yet the only thing
negative you could dig up on the Left, and their treatment of Bush, was Alec
Baldwin threatening to leave the country...seriously?My short list
of outrageous things said by liberals about Bush, make Ted Nugent's
comments inconsequential.Were the Left's "Rude,
inflammatory political chatter a harmful sign of the times" when Bush was
Ms Collins is right. There is inflammatory political rhetoric on both sides of
the isle.So, is that an equivalence? Seems to Ms Collins it is.There will always be fringe elements on both the right and the left that
will overstep the bounds of decency. Nothing that we can do about them.
(however, we can police ourselves)But, we don't have to
celebrate them. It is one thing to not have the backbone to publicly denounce
over the top rhetoric, but we don't need to elevate their stature.Sorry, but I don't see an equivalence. The GOP base loves Ted
Nugent and Rush Limbaugh and what they say and stand for. And that is
fine...... until the GOP leaders include them as spokespeople. Possibly you can find those on the left who have publicly said similar things
to Nugents recent rant (If so, show me). But can you show where the party
embraces them? That is the difference.
This editorial totally misses the point of public outrage over Ted Nugent's
inflammatory comments. The outcry is over the fact that Texas
Republican gubernatorial hopeful Greg Abbott has RECRUITED Nugent to campaign
for him! The outrage is over the fact that Mr. Abbott recruited
someone who released a record in 1981 called "Jailbait", which has
lyrics so sordid I won't even quote them!The outrage is over
the fact Ted Nugent is cheered on by a hardcore group of people who actually
think he is speaking on their behalf!
I couldN'T care less, either.
The office of the President has and deserves respect. The holder of that office
has to earn that respect. I have no respect for the present occupant of that
office and that has no bearing on my patriotism. Respect for someone who takes
no responsibility, who has proven to be untrustworthy. No thanks.
I agree. But when I've asked people to tone it down, especially towards
the President (who has been abused more than any President in modern times),
they get angry. Look at the comments of "mohokat." No one thinks they
are the problem, and they rationalize their behavior in some astounding ways.
So, tell me what is the solution? As long as you have the fractured media, and
media who are either intellectually dishonest, cowardly, cannot connect the
dots, or are advocates, then the discourse will not change.
I'll admit that I was extremely critical of President G.W. Bush, but
I'm every bit as critical of President Obama. They've both been
disasters. However, I find the epithets thrown by Ted Nugent as crossing the
line of acceptable discourse. When you begin to dehumanize other individuals,
you can find yourself on the road to unacceptable behavior. It gives you license
to do things to others because they're no longer human. It makes it easier
to inflict physical or psychological harm on them because they're now a
threat to "the rest of us humans." We see that in wars when soldiers on
one side call the opposing soldiers hateful names. If others don't meet
our standards of thought or behavior, we need to remember that they're
still our fellow men (or women). The act of dehumanizing others is itself
dehumanizing to those who engage in it.
I agree with mohokat. The office deserves respect, but the person holding that
office must earn our respect. When the President blames others for his own
failures, he deserves no respect. That doesn't mean that we should resort
to name calling, but it does mean that we can and should speak about his
failures. Why aren't people talking about the
administration's redefinition of "freedom of the press"? His
administration is campaigning to oversee news outlets to insure that they print
only what Americans "need". They've already defined our need as
those things relating to our "safety" and our "health". That in
NOT why we have the 1st Amendment. We have that amendment to keep government
out of the newsroom, out of the editorial offices, out of TV and out or radio.
Read history. How many nations became dictatorships after the government
"gave" the people health care and then restricted the media?There is enough to write about without calling names, but no one is required
to respect an individual who has not earned that respect.
Some of you clearly don't like the President and have made arguments for
yourself to assuage any conscience you might have against that dislike. Fine.
Next time, vote for your man.
JoeBlow:I didn't hear the rant of Ted Nugent, but from the
reports I heard, it was very over-the-top inappropriate. We can disagree (often
emphatically) with the opposition without resorting to those kinds of
tactics.But I am also sorry that you cannot (or won't) see the
blantent examples of similar behavior on the left. There are flame-thowers from
radical leftists all over the place that are openly embraced by the Democratic
party, their leaders, and the president himself!Jeremiah Wright,
Bill Maher, Al Sharpton, and Michael Moore are just a few examples. Elected
officials like Al Frankin, Alan Grayson, and Maxine Waters say stuff that is
just as bad. President Bush endured rude behavior from the left all day long,
yet so many liberals pretend that the current outrage over Obama's policies
is something new.
When the bullets and bombs of a hot war end, sometimes the war just takes on
different weapons and keeps on going. Such is true about the American Civil.
The weapon of choice is hate. Aggravated by the oppression of the winning side,
the losers easily find the resources and motivation for the creation of hate.
And when the level of hate becomes high enough the hot war may very well start
all over again.If a child misbehaves and is punished by the parent,
when the punishment of finished, the child is often accepted back with all the
love and care that was there before. If only we could learn from our successful
Nugent's outburst says more about who he is than anything about the
JoeCap. As I stated in my post, I agree that there is over-the-top rhetoric on
the left.And your examples of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Maher, Al
Sharpton, and Michael Moore.These folks are not on the campaign
trail. They do not speak at the Democratic National Convention." Al Frankin, Alan Grayson, and Maxine Waters say stuff that is just as
bad."As bad as what? Nugent? Who? "so many
liberals pretend that the current outrage over Obama's policies is
something new."Of course "outrage over policy" is
nothing new. But we are not talking about "policy differences".We
are talking about blatant and personal hatred. The GOP seldom distances
themselves from those who spew such hatred. In Nugent's case, he is
celebrated. He is on the campaign trail.Rush says over the top
things. As does Bill Maher. But Bill Maher would NEVER be asked to speak at the
DNC. Nor would Rev Wright.We cant help what the fringe wackos on
either side say or do. But, I dont see where the left embraces their fanatics
and brings them on stage.Feel free to give me instances.Go
listen to Nugents rant.
Does Ted Nugent live in Utah?
JoeBlow: I could give you instances all day long where "the left embraces
their fanatics and brings them on stage". Somehow, I doubt you would
acknowledge any of them.The civility will never return until BOTH
sides openly condemn outrageous comments from the radical wings of their own
party as adamantly as they condemn similar comments from the other side. Party
leaders must shun such behavior even when they perceive a political advantage by
embracing it.I'm not optimistic that this will happen anytime
soon but your failure to recognize that your party is just as guilty as the GOP
isn't going to help solve the problem.
You go clear back to the 30's when Roosevelt ran against Hoover. That was
the modern start of all of this, and back then it all came from the Democrats.
They have raised it to an art form that came to its zenith during the W.
Presidency. Harry Reid has never been called out by the media for his
inflammitory rhetoric regarding President Bush.You are crabbing
about Nugent. You ought to be crabbing about the whole Democrat establishment.
"He was born with a silver foot in his mouth", Ann Richards. Need I say
Which is worse:Ted Nugent calling President Barack Obama a
"subhuman mongrel." orPresident Barack Obama
being calling the "Anti-Christ", "ObamaNation" or "Son of
Perdition" in LDS Gospel Doctrine or Preisthood meetings?It's ture, It's happened -- many times.[And you people
wonder why I sometimes get up and walk out of church...]
I agree with Craig Clark. The comments say much more about the person than the
President. The congressman who yelled out "liar" during the state of the
union, Ted Nugent, Micheal Moore, or Alec Baldwin are all cut from the same
cloth. What they said is meaningless because of how they said it.
Articles like this, and really so much of what our media showcases and has
become, makes me wonder repeatedly when we are going to stop paying attention to
our village idiots.
See, even after reading the op-ed piece, some commenters still express their
hatred for the President, relying on media propaganda that if full of
falsehoods, misrepresenting the man and his policies. These commenters will
never accept anyone not of their party or choosing. They attack even his
legitimacy (just as they did to Clinton). Having worked for leaders in both
parties, I am calling out some of the commenters here and asking them to focus
on issues, on reality, and on facts, instead of Fox and other right wing
propaganda intended to bring the President down or otherwise weaken him. We all
have policy differences, but to want to destroy the duly elected leader of our
nation, just because you disagree (and you are in the minority, after all), does
not seem to me to be patriotic. Seems like a totalitarian state might be your
preference in reality.
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