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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 25 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

If you want to use marihuana or want your children to have full access to marihuana, then please be good enough to tell us why a "soul" has so little value and why you are willing to throw away "souls" so that you can feed your appetites and passions.

12:27 p.m. Feb. 25, 2014

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Seriously,
That speech sounds eerily familar --
Sort of like the one Lucifer gave in the Pre-existance.

[You know, taking away Free Agency so that not one soul would be lost, etc.]

BTW -- Who said anything about giving access of marijuana to children?
There you go again, making up stuff, spin, rhetoric, half truths and lies -- i.e, lies.

The Prophet has spoken, I will obey.
I just want to FORCE non-LDS members to be like us.

That would be a Theocracy.

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lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Driving "stoned" is already against the law.
DUI -- Driving Under the Influence. Driving imparied. no dif.

If you really want it stopped --
Utah should enact a 3 strikes rule like others States already have.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

airnaut
Everett, 00

I get the point of inversion air affecting more people. But that wasn't the point I was getting at (and I think you know that).

The point I was making is that the worst air you could breath during an inversion... is nothing compared to the air you get out of the end of a joint.

And yet.... you claim there are no health risks with smoking marijuana, but you pout incessantly about the air you have to breath during an inversion. Do you see the irony?

That's the point I was making.

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I appreciate the word of wisdom lecture. But as with the hypocrisy I pointed out above... how do you use the WOW to justify marijuana use, when you know smoking tobacco is prohibited (because it's bad for the body) and medical research indicates smoking marijuana is worse for your lungs than smoking tobacco?

We know it's an herb. But smoking it is NOT good for the body (no matter how hard you try to twist and spin the WOW to suit your liberal lifestyle).

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

MR, Bits, and Lost: Your righteous indignation is impressive when it comes to legalizing pot. Where is your indignation as regards alcohol?? Why is not Utah the only State in the nation to outlaw buying or serving booze? We certainly have a legislature that is intensely interested in the subject during every session. We have a veto proof majority of the legislators who are of a belief that liquor is evil. We have "States rights" or so we are told every time the federal government tries to make rules for us to follow. We could be the shining beacon to all other States! Let's hear you advocate banning alcohol. Why is pot different than alcohol? I'm listening.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

how do you use the WOW to justify marijuana use, when you know smoking tobacco is prohibited (because it's bad for the body) and medical research indicates smoking marijuana is worse for your lungs than smoking tobacco?

We know it's an herb. But smoking it is NOT good for the body (no matter how hard you try to twist and spin the WOW to suit your liberal lifestyle).

1:30 p.m. Feb. 25, 2014

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Who said anything about smoking?

Utah state laws currently prohits the use of ANY part of the cannabis plant -- even the benine use of the derivative hemp oil [with NO THC in it] use for epilepsy.

Even ROPE is not legal in Utah for crying out loud.

Diet Coke has more psychotropic properties in it.

I repeat -- the WoW states -- used in PRUDENCE.
But the All-or-Nothing extremeists seem to running this cookoo nest.

And have the audacity to me taking Nite-Quil with alcohol in it WITHOUT a Doctor's perscription is NOT breaking the Word of Wisdom,

while taking hemp oil with a Doctor's perscription for epilepsy is!

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" as I have pointed out before, and will continue to point out. You can LEGALLY buy FDA approved medications containing the CBD oils. You can also LEGALLY buy hemp oil herbal supplements and lotions.

So, since you already buy the CBD oils as FDA approved medications or has unregulated herbal supplements, what is being denied to children?

It seems that this is just a backdoor excuse for people to grown marijuana in their own yards and get high. What other reason is there to legalize something that is already legal?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There are a lot of reasons to join in with those who reject the sacred nature of the body, who reject the Word of Wisdom that would spare us all from becoming slaves to appetites and passions, but there is only one reason to reject the "wisdom" of the world. Either we stand with the Creator who gave us a mortal body, or we stand with him who will never have a body. The choice is ours. We cannot serve two masters. Our choice will determines our destiny.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Grover,
1. I don't have a problem with legalizing marijuana. I have a problem with the false pretense this letter is based on (there's no scientific evidence of adverse health affects from smoking marijuana).

Note: I'm mostly libertarian, so I don't care if drugs like marijuana and alcohol are legal. As long as the individual (not society) bears the cost of the decision to abuse alcohol and other drugs. Same goes for nicotine.

2. I agree philosophically that if we make marijuana illegal, we should also make alcohol illegal. But I'm enough or a realist to know that wouldn't work (we already tried it).

3. The prohibition of alcohol failed almost immediately. Marijuana has been illegal for decades and that's approved by the vast majority of our society for years. So I have no problem if we keep it illegal (although I acknowledge that it's inconsistent).

4. Though it's against my libertarian philosophy, I would have no major problem if Utah decided to be a beacon and ban alcohol. But I know that would never fly. We are already under pressure to LIBERALize our alcohol laws.

So much for stereotypes...

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

"Claim all you want for "freedom", but there is no freedom without accountability. If you want to use marihuana or want your children to have full access to marihuana, then please be good enough to tell us why a "soul" has so little value and why you are willing to throw away "souls" so that you can feed your appetites and passions."

For the same reason I believe God sent us all here to be faced with choices between that which is good and that which is harmful, and to allow us to choose for ourselves, knowing that souls would be lost in the process. Sounds to me like you're condemning the whole Plan of Salvation.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
To "LDS Liberal" as I have pointed out before, and will continue to point out. You can LEGALLY buy FDA approved medications containing the CBD oils. You can also LEGALLY buy hemp oil herbal supplements and lotions.

[You can legally "buy" full-blown get you stoned marijuana right now,
You can legally "smoke" full-blown get you stoned marijuana right now,
What you can not do is possess it or sell it.]

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Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The choice is ours. We cannot serve two masters. Our choice will determines our destiny.

2:27 p.m. Feb. 25, 2014

[Which goes right back to Why do YOU keep trying to decide for others?
Why do you keep deciding for others?]
It believe it is you who is wrong,
I stand for Free Agency -- and it's consequences.]

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" actually you are wrong. It is still illegal in the US to buy marijuana to smoke and get high on. The states that have legalized it are going against the US Federal laws that say that it is illegal. In fact, the DEA can and will arrest you at some point in time.

See "DEA raids pot shop in complex owned by ex-Orange official" in the OC Register or "Feds raid medical marijuana facilities" at Fox News and "Feds raid Denver-area marijuana dispensaries, grow operations, 2 Homes" in the Denver Post.

Apparently when it is a Federal crime, the Federal government will occasionally enforce the law and arrest you.

If you can't posses it, buy it, or sell it, how can you get high on it without engaging in illegal activities. How can you get high if you never posses any?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

LDS Liberal,

Though I understand you point on choice and accountability, that argument could be applied to all things prohibited by law - heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.

Irrespective of religion, some things have societal costs and society bans or significantly restricts them in order to avoid the spillover costs that have to be borne by the wider society.

If someone were to ask me if I would approve marijuana OR alcohol as the legal drug available - I might choose marijuana (though I would need a bit more information to be sure).

But make no mistake - every drug has a downside. I have never seen or heard of one that has none.

In a few cases of folks close to me who have long-term marijuana habits I have seen borne out the old Public Service Announcement that marijuana "can make nothing happen to you too" - that their lives go nowhere.

In all cases? No. But in the cases I have seen up close and personal? Yes.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Nanny state advocates want government to control what a person ingests. But go crazy if everyone has to get health insurance. The word of wisdom guy would put a person in jail for coffee? Does coffee lead to expresso?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

LDS Lib,
you say driving under the influence is already against the law. guess what, SO IS WEED! and where do you get off saying I tried to use the WOW to justify weed? Nowhere did I say that. I think you are confusing me with someone else on your blacklist.

grover,
I can make no sense of your comment. you say we have restrictions on serving booze, then ask why we don't get upset about booze. What do you think the restrictions are for?

And since when does citing CDC studies become righteous indignation? Sounds to me like you're trying to you liberal indignation.

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