Draper teen charged as adult makes first court appearance Monday
There is major conflict in justice and right and wrong in society. In one stance
Deseret News reports "Protecting children: Identifying signs of a child
being groomed for sexual abuse" read article 865597658" reporting how
underage children are groomed and abused. Yet in another stance a horrible
crime was committed by a teen that was abused by a 27 year adult which condoned
and supported by other adults. Yet, she should rot in jail for 70 years? Should
she be held accountable for actions absolutely, was her actions influenced by a
sexual relationship, yes. Her illicit relationship must be considered in the
actions that were taken by her and her murderous abuser.
I think we are confusing chronological age and the magic number of 18 as a hard
and fast dividing line for culpability of actions. One day you are a child,
turn 18 and you are an adult. This may not be the best way to go about the
matter. I think we are confusing age with attitude. Behavior
betrays or demonstrates attitude toward the law and society. We also do not
know what evidence or how the prosecution will proceed with their case. We do
know that the defense is playing the sympathy card early and I suspect the
“mom to be” card will be forthcoming as well.IMO the 18
years old and now an adult in all aspects is foolish. Majority was, in my
youth, 21. This idea from the founding fathers was that a person was more
mature and capable as functioning as an independent person at 21. Some
countries have a higher age. It is the law of unintended
consequences at work. Politically correct laws, reducing age of majority to 18
places emerging youth into an adult world ill-prepared to deal with it.
Adult crime adult time. We're not teaching her or anybody else the proper
lesson if she isn't treated as an adult. Her boyfriend was on the right
side of justice.
Many people seem to know that Megan Grunwald was an "active participant"
when no evidence has been presented yet. It's the, guilty until proven
innocent, principle of law enforcement at work.
I would be interested to know if this was a "control" relationship where
she felt an obligation to comply. That doesn't excuse the crime, but in
the case of a teenager would be a mitigating circumstance, in my opinion.
Putting emotions aside, 20 years is a long, long, long time to spend in jail for
driving the car while someone else is committing a crime. A very expensive
solution to a problem that could probably be solved with a lesser sentence and
some therapy. If she was holding a gun, or shooting at someone, that's a
Zabriski says, "Her experiences, except for this last horrendous experience,
have been that of a child. So being locked up in an adult environment with these
charges, I would guess, is traumatizing for her." So how
traumatizing for Wride's family was this whole instance? They got their
husband and farther killed. How about the trauma to the other deputies family?
Sounds like this girl practiced cruel and unusual punishment on
these two cops. She deserves everything that she gets. And I hope it is a long
prison sentance.If she's still pregnant, the courts ought to
immediately terminate her parental rights prior to the child being born and give
it up for adoption right after birth.
Without diminishing the seriousness of what she did, I would nevertheless
reserve life without parole for those criminals who have been through the system
repeatedly and demonstrated that they cannot and will not be rehabilitated. If
she can be rehabilitated and demonstrates it, releasing her down the road would
free up one more costly prison cell for someone else who needs to be locked up
to protect us. It's entirely possible that she won't change, and that
she'll be a danger to society forever. If so, she wouldn't be able to
obtain early release and would do a lengthy sentence. That's why we spend
good money to maintain a parole board that will review the case from time to
time and make that determination. Right now, though, it's too soon to
decide if she can and will ever change.
What is the Deseret News' policy of publishing names and photos of minors
in the paper? No matter what she did, she is under the age of 18.
It don't know the right anwser here but what I do know is that when a 17 yr
old has sex with a 20 year old they are a child child child and are not at
fault.When a 15, 16, 17, year attacks someone all of a sudden they
are tried as adults. I wish neither of these incidents happened but
it seems like a dbl standard and seems wrong. Either treat both incidents
as adults or neither.
This is so sad. I am sad for the young lady, but I am mostly sad about the
children who lost their father from this terrible shooting. How many years of
their life will they not have their wonderful father with them.As to
calling this young lady a "Child" I have no knowledge of her mental age.
However, when I was seventeen I was in boot camp in Fort Ord, California being
prepared to go to Vietnam. I never considered my self a child then.God bless the family of this slain officer and God bless this young lady.
Unless there is clear evidence that she assented to this murder, charges should
never have been filed and she should not be convicted.
Child? I was active duty at her age. Yes, I made mistakes then. But, I paid
for them as well.
This was not some innocent "child" plucked from her crib in the dark of
night. This was a 17 year old who was living in her parents' home with the
killer, 10 years her senior, previously deported seven times, a felon who did
time for attempted murder. And, reportedly she is pregnant by him.There was ample opportunity for her to reject the killer's companionship,
and to escape the vehicle after the crime rampage began, but she stayed with
him. Pretty adult decisions, even if very bad ones.If you cannot do
the time, then don't do the crime.Her lawyer is just doing what
lawyers do, and we need to focus on the facts, not the heart tugging stories he
will tell about how she was a good little girl.The parents "got
some explaining to do" about their acceptance of this inappropriate
relationship. And, they should be charged with harboring a fugitive as well as
complicity in statutory rape for tolerating their sexual relationship.She is an adult who has made a lot of bad choices, and needs to be punished
(if found guilty). Life is good, 70 years before parole would be adequate..
From all reports, this child has NEVER known Mercy, and maybe it is time to
temple Justice with Mercy.
From what I have read, this "Child" was at odds with her family and
insisted her 27 year old boyfriend to live with them.This insinuates the
"Child" had a sexual relationship with the 27 year old and the
"Child" was more than likely drinking and doing drugs.The
"Child" did prevail in getting her way.
Calling a teenager an adult isn't honest. Calling her a child isn't
honest.As it stands, I don't support charging teens as adults,
mainly because unlike some I am fully willing to admit how stupid I was as a
teenager. But at the same time, our current law is inadequate to help many
youth. We definitely need a better system, but we don't need to forget that
this girl is a human being.The worth of every soul is great,
including this girl. She needs our help. That's hard, especially for those
she's hurt immeasurably. But through giving up hatred and helping her we
can find a peace that an imperfect justice system will never provide. Cory Wride
cared about the people he locked up and was a great man for it. We simply need
to continue that example and serve justice the right way... in service of our
fellow man.Again, this girl needs our help... not our hate.
This is sad on so many levels. If she had sex with her boyfriend, the fact that
he was 27 would condemned him because of the age difference. We do not know the
power he had over her, what they did, and how it affected her. We are all angry
at her boyfriend and can't take it out on him because he's dead but if
he were alive and there wasn't a deputy shot and it was just about sex, she
would be a victim and we'd be working to help her rehabilitate from her
ordeal. I hope over time we'll see the tragedy of this crime is
layered with complications and not take it out on a victim who both happened to
be there. The true perpetrator is dead.
cruel and unusual punishment went out of the window with the bullets that killed
or injured the officers.
Life without parole would be tragic. My opinion is that life without parole, or
even 40 years, would be a tremendous waste. Better to have this child for up to
50 or 60 years, with incentives which would allow her to be eligible for parole
in 15-20.Tragic still, is that in their rage, many would wish life
in prison upon her. The deputy is dead. It was very wrong. It is all
so incomprehensibly sad.
Meagan Grunwald was an active participant in the death of Utah County
Sheriff's Sgt. Cory Wride. My recommendation would be that she be eligible
for parole after a time to ponder the consequences of her choices. I’m
thinking about 70 years to ponder, then she could be considered for parole.
Is there real evidence she assented to the murder of the officer? If not she
ought to be acquitted.