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Published: Monday, Feb. 24 2014 10:25 a.m. MST

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Brutal, although interesting, evaluations of murphy and denham. Definately don't sound like draftable players or even guys with a chance based on this stuff.

murphy - "lethargic release, average speed, stiff movement, unrefined route runner, get's over powered, ordinary, not especially strong, over aged". About the only thing sorta nice they could say about him was he was dale murphy's son. That is not a recipe for draftability and definately not what utah "fans" have been proclaiming about the guy.

denham - "marginal speed, gives up, struggles, does not keep working, disinterested, lackadaisical, no special teams value".

Hardly sounds like either of them has much of a shot at being drafted and that is to bad, I like to see the local guys do well once they leave here but with evaluations like those I really don't see how they have much hope to be drafted.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Palepoi on the otherhand had a much better evaluation. It sounded like he may have a chance.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, you realize those are the evaluations made before the combine. That's a large part of why they go to the combine is to show aspects of their game that they've worked on.

Denham's "marginal speed" ended up clocking a pretty comparable 40 time with the other TEs, which I admit is a small disappointment based on how his speed was one of his traits that made him pretty highly coveted coming out of JUCO. You also left out key points in your quotes. "Gives up break points" (the actual quote) is a lot different assessment than "gives up," as well as "does not keep working to uncover" and "lackadaisical blocker" being actual assessments of his skills, rather than "does not keep working" and "lackadaisical," which would be character flaws, which is what they have individual interviews to observe for. He was not one many expected to be drafted in the first place, but his size, athleticism and receiving ability were intriguing enough for scouts to desire a closer look at him.

romeisn'tburning
layton, ut

@duckhunter

I'm glad you took the time to read the combine weaknesses from pro scouts, and then publish them as a comment. Murphey knew his injury would put him as a late rounder, but he's got to support his family like a man. Denham seems desperate to play, he didn't play TE last year at all. Did you take the time to read analysis on the boys on TDS? Does anyone else remember when everyone in Provo said they had 3 first rounders last year, but KVN and Hoffman were coming back to beat the Utes? None of that is happening. KVN will go early second since he lacks elite talent like Khalil or Barr, and Hoffmans combine performances has him sinking into the 3rd to 4th.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

cont.
Murphy had several strengths listed that you neglect to mention, including his sure hands and blocking ability. I would say he wouldn't have left school early if he hadn't been told in his draft grade evaluation that he had a good chance of being drafted, although I think another year would have benefitted him in improving his draft position.

Palepoi seems to have done well for himself at the combine, clocking a decent 40 time for his size, and the 3rd best vertical and broad jumps for true defensive tackles.

The in-state guy I think will be the biggest surprise is Joe Don Duncan out of Dixie, who put up pretty incredible bench press numbers, and looked like Gronkowski against D-II competition this year. He has some great hands, and huge, muscular build. I think he may be a steal for a team in the 4th or 5th round.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

No I put down what the NFL made as evaluations. "Lackadaisical" is lackadaisical no matter what the context stg, you can try to spin that but it isn't working. "Does not keep working" speaks for itself, no context needed. "lackadiasical", "gives up", "does not keep working", are hardly attributes regardless of what he "gives up", "does not keep working", and is "lackadaisical" doing. It doesn't even make sense for you to debate me about it since anyone can look it up and read it.

As for murphy, well what's your spin there? Nothing they wrote about him was in the least bit complimentary.

Stringer Bell
Henderson, NV

Duckhunter, I would think that you would be more concerned about Cody Hoffmann's performance.
Slow and can't jump. At 6'4" equated to a 5'9" receiver who could actually get off the ground. Ouch!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@rome

I did read all of the evaluations for all of the players for both BYU and utah. The evaluations for the BYU players were actually much better than the ones for the utah players, with all 5 of them stating they could be players and contributors, sorry just the way it is, I'm not the one doing the evaluations, NFL experts are.

I just find it interesting based on how many utah "fans" around here consider themselves talent evaluators and how they brag about how much NFL talent utah "has". murphy in particular doesn't appear to be much of a prospect based on that evaluation neither does denham. reilly looks like he'll get drafted, and as I said palepoi looks like he has a chance as well.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

And those evaluations ore murphies and denham's evaluations from the combine, not pre combine. TE's had their day on Saturday.

But now you're trying to not give the entire picture on murphy, let's look at the entire quotes and not your cherry picking.

"Functional as a back-side hinge blocker or move blocker.... In-line blocking needs work."

Inline blocking is most of what a TE needs to do, not to mention "functional" is hardly high praise for any type of anything.

As for the other part....."Sure hands are his only standout trait." Well once again that say's "sure hands are his ONLY standout trait." Not blocking, not anything else, just "sure hands".

You know I'm not making this stuff up, it is NFL scouts doing it.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stringer

Here's what they said about Hoffman.

"Bottom Line A big, outside-the-numbers possession receiver with good length and hand-eye coordination to fend for a roster spot as a No. 4 or No. 5 receiver."

Sounds to me like they expect him to be on a roster.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

That is the nice thing about the combine, these guys went through the process, and it showed some flaws that they can work on between now and Utah's pro day.

Murphy's testing at the combine was almost identical to Zach Ertz, who was a 2nd rounder last year. He certainly won't go that high, but I'm sure he will get picked up and do well.

Denham absolutely looks the part of a physical stud, I sure hope a team gives him a shot.

Go Utes!!

romeisn'tburning
layton, ut

Duck,

It doesn't take a professional talent scout to tell you the facts.
Current number of players on an active NFL roster, per ESPN.
University of Utah: 25
Brigham Young University: 9

I don't think its interesting that fans of any school think there players are NFL quality, that's pretty typical if you ask me.

FT
salt lake city, UT

@ Duckhunter
Ute fans consider themselves experts solely on the basis of the Utes beating BYU year in and year out. Hardly grounds to be a NFL scout that's for sure. That makes about as much sense as all those BYU fans saying Jimmer was a can't miss in the NBA.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

As usual Duckhunter has been looking with blue lenses. First, the analysis is certainly done pre-workout. For example, Keith McGill hasn't worked out yet, but has an analysis including bottom line. Second, each of the players has a rating. The scale indicates that 4.75- 4.99 is a player that will be in a camp. A 5.00 player has a 50/50 chance of making a roster. 5.01- 5.19 has a better than average chance to make a roster. 5.20- 5.49 is likely to be a NFL backup. 5.50-5.99 rating indicates the player has a chance to be a starter. The following players are below 5.0-- Denham. 5.01- 5.19 includes Murphy, Hoffman, Manumaleuna, Sorenson, and Unga. 5.20- 5.49 includes McGill, Palepoi, Reilly. VanNoy is a 5.55. Looks like Denham isn't likely to stick (seems fair). And a bunch of them have a 50/50 shot.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"And those evaluations ore murphies and denham's evaluations from the combine, not pre combine. "

You're wrong again. They were the pre-combine evaluations. Anyone else who cared to look at the profiles before the combine started knows this is the case. You didn't, so you make your case on stubbornness, not on anything you checked beforehand.

Also, your claim of scouts' evaluations of BYU players being "actually much better than the ones for the utah players" shows your obvious bias.

The website's ratings on each player:
Hoffman: 5.07 (Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster)
Manumaleuna: 5.15 (Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster)
Sorensen: 5.05 (Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster)
Unga: 5.2 (NFL backup or special teams potential)
VanNoy: 5.55 (Chance to become NFL starter)
Denham: 4.7 (Chance to be in an NFL training camp)
McGill: 5.35 (NFL backup or special teams potential)
Murphy: 5.1 (Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster)
Palepoi: 5.3 (NFL backup or special teams potential)
Reilly: 5.35 (NFL backup or special teams potential)

Again, these WERE pre-combine grades, they don't update them day-to-day, so we'll have to see what they all end up as.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

RBN, wow someone else actually gets it! I agree with you, Denham isn't someone that looks likely to be an NFL player, but what he does have are some raw physical talents, which many teams are giving opportunities for at TE these days (ie Antonio Gates, Jimmy Graham, Julius Thomas, etc), trying to coach up, rather than taking fundamental guys with limited physical skill sets.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter now seems missing in action. I wish all the local players luck in the draft. Given that most of the local players are not sure things, I hope they all get drafted by teams that are a good fit for them. By all accounts, Murphy and Palepoi have had good combines. Hoffman has some ground to make up after a poor combine.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Bill Riley is tweeting that Wilson has been cleared to play and participate in Spring ball

Great news for him and the team.

Go Utes!!

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Wow, Keith McGill with a 4.40 unofficial 40. That's good for 3rd best out of DBs so far.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

If the NFL thing doesn't work out for Murphy, he can always get a job in the hot tub industry.

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