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Published: Monday, Feb. 24 2014 3:13 p.m. MST

Updated: Monday, Feb. 24 2014 3:13 p.m. MST

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Count My Vote demanded taking the meeting out of the meeting, raising the threshold to avoid a primary, getting rid of multiple round balloting at conventions and making sure the changes were made in to law.

Those changes were not made the way CMV wanted.

However the concerns raised, about the fire fighter that couldn't get off work or the mom with the sick kids, changes were made. CMV has generally ignore those changes.

Our Current System elected Mr. Bennett 3 times, more times than he said he would run.

Under Count My Vote, the Unaffiliated would still not be able to vote in a GOP primary. Something they have forgot to tell most of those signing. Lines 305 to 308.

I have issues with SB 54, but one thing it does do is something Count My Vote doesn't do and that is allow the Unaffiliated to vote in a GOP primary.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

At only one time for 10 years in Utah history did the state depart from the Neighborhood Election, Caucus and Convention System. In 1937, a powerful democratic state senator convinced enough of the legislature to switch to an open primary. He had had two losses, a US Senate race and also for governor, because the majority of the convention delegates disagreed with his legislative voting record. But he was well known and had money.

Many at the time felt like an open primary was his ticket to the governorship, and he did win. But the change in the system only lasted for a decade. After public and media disillusionment, and even worse voter turnout, Utah restored the Caucus and Convention System. Why go back? in 1946, after almost 10 years of a direct primary with run off, the media and public demanded the return of the Caucus and Convention System to replace the need for a run off election.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

Obsession alert! Bailout Bob was unseated by the caucus system, and should not be regarded as an objective voice.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@nate

Don't forget Chris Cannon

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

According to a Deseret News news article, Count My Vote have been accused of misrepresenting the petition. In other words, some, perhaps many of those who signed the petition, signed it under false pretenses. Some were told that it was about schools. Some signed unattended petitions that had been left on counters. (Verification of signature is required.)

Now every signature on that petition will have to be checked. Every person who signed will have to be contacted and asked how the petition was presented to them and whether anyone checked their I.D. before they signed.

At the very least, Count My Vote will end up in court. It might be a good idea to start the process over, this time following the rules - exactly.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Mike,

Key word is ACCUSED. There is no doubt that those who want to maintain the caucus system will use every available trick and strategy to try and prevent this from coming to a vote. Senator Bramble has already done that in the Utah State Legislature.

Don't you think it is a little curious though that so many power brokers in the state are afraid to let the people vote on this initiative?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Fred,

Are you claiming that the Deseret News is corrupt, that it filed a false story, that it corrupted the facts?

I don't agree with you. I trust the Deseret News.

Trey J
Sandy, UT

I don't care if Bob Bennett was voted out under the current system. He is absolutely right that the people have a right to decide. Let the process play out. If put to a vote, the current system would be defeated easily. The only people fighting desperately to keep it are party-insiders and their cronies (ie those who benefit from the consolidation of power the current system produces).

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Does anyone know if the "buy my vote" signature gatherers are paid?

2 different times I have been asked to sign their petition and they didn't look like the types of citizens you would usually see gathering signatures. NEITHER of these folks looked (or talked)like informed citizens who were supporting an issue.

They didn't seem to know much about the issue either - but I didn't "press" them.

I'm GLAD to see people working, but are they being pd. by the hour or the signature?

Informed Voter
South Jordan, UT

I am pleased Sen. Bennett was voted out. As a result the establishment, RINO folks want to get even by changing the system.

Web Geek
Lehi, UT

Trey, I'm no party insider. I've never been a delegate, and I don't hold any office in the state. I'm an average citizen. But I've actually read the CMV petition and 1) it doesn't do what they say it will do and 2) it creates more problems than it solves. Have you read it or are you relying on the media to tell you what it's about?

The caucus system isn't perfect, but it's better than CMV. SB54 isn't perfect either, but it seems to me to be a good compromise.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

Senator Bennett is right. Let the process be completed without interference from the legislature. Count My Vote was only needed when the party refused to listen to legitimate concerns. I have been a delegate numerous times since 1988 and know the weakness in the process. I am one who took the petition around. Citizens need the opportunity to be listened to; not ignored. When Senator Bennett ran his last time, the moderate voice of the party was left out of the process and common citizens had their voice taken away by not being able to vote whether Senator Bennett should remain in office or not. Polls indicate that he would have made it through a primary election because the general citizens of the state still supported him. It was only the far right of the party that unseated him because he dared to be a statesman who could reach across the isle to get something done. Now we are stuck with Lee who has been a disaster.

wjalden
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The rich and powerful did not respect the petition process when they overturned California's Prop 187, an immigration enforcement measure, back in 1994.

They did not respect the petition process in Colorado when they kept an immigration enforcement measure from even getting on the ballot.

And they are not respecting it now as they seek to overturn gay marriage bans passed in over 30 states.

"Respect the process" - unless it's not in the best interests of the rich and powerful. Funny how that works.

Count My Vote is being backed by all the richest, most powerful people in the state. They are not doing so for charitable reasons, and only a fool would assume they are.

wjalden
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Does anyone know if the 'buy my vote' signature gatherers are paid?"

Yes, they are paid - probably by the signature. The result is that they will say and do anything to get you to sign the petition. One lady gathering signatures told me that the rich people controlled the current caucus-convention system and that CMV would change that. I asked her why all the rich people were backing it. She didn't have a clue.

i am hank
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I am a registered Republican, I was not a delegate in 2010. I wanted to vote for Bob Bennett. I never got the chance. My voice was not heard because of the current system. I want the system changed, so I support Count My Vote.

Our present system makes no sense. Why do we use the caucus system to nominate officials to every office, (local, state, and federal) in the land except for one -- President of the United States. For that office, we have a primary. Why do we use a primary for the most important office of all -- could it be that it is important that every voter has a say in whom the party nominates? I think so! So why don't we use the same logic for every other office?

pickmerg
gunnison, UT

Political Parties are private institutions. The only right way to change their make up is with members of their own parties. The government should not impose upon the parties through SB 54 or the ballot initiates. This is against the parties constitutional rights. Bennett would not support the Hatch Flag amendment because he believed it infringed upon ones freedom of speech and expression, but now it is ok to infringed upon the private parties rights.

David
Centerville, UT

I have been a county GOP delegate twice. I attend my caucus meeting every election cycle.

I signed the County My Vote petition. The woman that brought the petition to me was not paid to do so. She is a concerned citizen that has lived in Davis County her entire life.

David
Centerville, UT

The legislature should allow the petition to proceed. If they pass legislation that nullifies the petition process I will exercise my vote, my feet, and my campaign contributions against any legislator that so votes.

JenicaJessen
Riverton, UT

Wjalden, you're badly misinformed. Count My Vote signature gatherers are overwhelmingly volunteers. The organization has a few full-time employees for administrative purposes and so forth, but the people actually out there with the booklets are not being paid. (Either that, or you're right, I've been lied for five months, and somebody owes me a few hundred bucks for the signatures I've collected so far... A kid asked me once if I could get him a summer job. I told him I could as long as he wasn't expecting the kind of job where you actually got paid.)

And you're claiming that the rich and powerful that don't respect the petition process are the same rich and powerful supporting Count My Vote? Did I read that right?

Mike Richards: The Deseret News has never reported that the signatures were invalid or that an investigation will be held. They reported that Protect Our Neighborhood Elections is claiming there are invalid signatures and that they have requested an investigation. Questioning PONE's motives and rationale isn't even close to the same thing as accusing DN of lying- drop the straw man attacks.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Mike,

Not sure how you arrived at the idea that I was accusing the Deseret News of lying. The Deseret News reported the accusations against Count My Vote. My point was these are accusations, Protect Our Neighborhood Elections has not prevailed in a court of law, so at this point, they are doing nothing more than make accusations. But at the same time I certainly don't take everything I read in the Deseret News or any other publication as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Most reasonable people would admit that any one "reporting the news" brings certain biases to the table.

I have carried Count My Vote booklets and helped acquire signatures, and nobody has offered to pay me a dime. Having said that, what difference would it make if people were payed to collect signatures? Would that be the evil outside influence that the caucus crowd is so afraid of? If they are so afraid of outside influence, why not distance themselves from groups such as freedom works who spent significant money at the republican convention to influence caucus voters?

Don't be so afraid of letting people vote on this Initiative.

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