Published: Sunday, Feb. 23 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
"Yet Obama seems so fixated on it that he will not risk annoying Putin by
voicing full-throated support for the Ukrainian protesters."And
there in lies the problem with George, and many others. This is a Ukrainian
problem. It is a problem being solved by Ukrainians, for Ukrainians. If the
US got its dog into the fight, it would then be seen as a puppet war between the
US and its interest, and Russia and its interest... and regardless of who won,
the other side would see it as illegitimate.There are times when the
most supportive thing the US can do is to stay out of it. The Taliban will
never back off in Afghanistan, because they see the current government as
something the US installed, for its own benefit. There are like issues in Iraq.
The only way to achieve lasting peace is for the locals to decide for
themselves their own representative government, not something a foreign country
mandated or dictated to them. The middle east is a mess largely because our
friends the Brits left unnatural shaped and governed nations behind.So lets stay out of it.. and let Ukrainians decide.
Obama is out of his league when he tries to out think Putin as we have seen from
Syria, who incidentally still has not surrendered nearly any of their chemical
weapons and probably never will. They don't have any respect for the paper
tiger who warned them not to "cross the line".
An interesting article where Will makes partial statements of truth but leave
out a great deal. First the defeat of an internationalist Marxism happened
long before this--and by Lenin himself who in 1921 created a "socialism in
one country" mantra (and to be expanded and intensified by Stalin in 1928)
and actually defeated any world wide Marxist revolution (Trotsky remained a true
believer however). And second, there are as many Ukrainians who want to stay
with Russia as there are who want to break away. There is no unified agreement
in Ukraine and while Yanukovich (who was corrupt as was every other Ukrainian
leader since time immemorial) is gone, there is no one leading (the head of the
parliament has been declared leader and he has no clue what to do). So in
picking sides here, there is no one side to pick. I quite agree that the
Ukrainians will need to decide this for themselves and how it will come out is
completely up in the air. Will just likes to bloviate about things he knows
practically anything about.
Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland spilled the beans that the Obama
administration is somehow involved in Ukranian affairs. To assume that our
government has a hands-off policy there is to believe in fairy tales. I'd
be more interested to find out what few places are left where our government is
NOT involved. Is there such a place?
Mountainman.... Putin lost in the Ukraine, and he is loosing in Syria. When the
president of Ukraine is stripped of his powers... how can you even begin to
conjure that up as a win for Putin?
@ UtahBlueDevil,Do you really think that Putin will just tuck his tail and
go home, never to meddle in Ukraine again? If you do, I have a swamp in Arizona
for sale. This is just the start of the attempt to "consolidate" the
former Soviet states back into the fold. This isn't just a Ukraine
problem, this affects the whole region, and reaches far into area of foreign
policy that our current administration seems unable to grasp. We certainly
don't want to sit on our thumbs until it gets to be a shooting war that
sucks the US in. We need to be actively engaged diplomatically, ensuring that
our interests and those of the region and world are respected. We must be
adamant that Mr Putin keeps his fingers out of that situation so the Ukrainians
can decide for themselves what they want, without interference. As for
Syria....where do you think they got their chemical weapons? Iraq maybe?
@MountanmanUh... the pro-Putin leader of Ukraine was booted out.
alt134 Actually Putin already is running Ukraine!
@Jack.... this is a Ukrainian problem first, a European problem second. If
that isn't clear, we have other issues. Any US involvement that overtly
directly pushes a political solution will back fire. No one wants to be seen as
a US puppet - just like they don't want to been seen as a Russian puppet.
As to Syria... got any proof... or is that just conjecture? Could
have been North Korea. Could have been Russia. Could have been self made.Mr. Putin has seen a couple of geopolitical set backs in the last 12
months. Will he storm in there like he did Georgia, time will tell. But is a
European issue. Jack... what cost are you willing to pay to settle this dispute
with Putin - how many lives are you willing to back the bluster up with? You
need to be really clear about this. We have done a good job not getting into a
proxy war with Russia in Syria... lets not get into one in Ukraine. Poland who
has great links to both parties (EU & Russia) is doing a good job here
mediating this. This isn't about US ego thumping or partisan politics.
Smog hurts everyone
Great synopsis of the situation in Ukraine and Obama's ineffective
leadership, in this and many other important matters.When Hillary
came up with the ad questioning who we would want answering the White house
phone at 3 A.M. she was, of course, suggesting that Obama wouldn't be as
capable as she to handle whatever crisis such a call implied.While I
think she would have been no better (remember Benghazi!) I definitely agree that
few would be worse than Obama. We need better, more honest, more capable people
at every level of government, but no more so than as President. I sure hope we
do better at choosing next time we get the chance.
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