Published: Friday, Feb. 21 2014 8:00 a.m. MST
" A Wal-Mart worker cannot find a better-paying job anywhere"Very sad comment, isn't it? Yet this person says it like its a good
thing. Another person claims walmart is good for America because it has low
prices on products. Can you imagine? Like that's what makes America great
low priced stuff made in China. Maybe this person would want to research HOW
walmart maintains those low prices. Still another says this:"when the [walmart] workers are not creating anywhere near that kind of
value for others."Can you imagine? This person actually believes
this. These workers created multiple billions of dollars for many people, these
workers created huge fortunes, massive fortunes, for others. And this person
thinks they created nowhere near that kind of value for others. And
still others think the labor market is based on supply and demand. Nothing could
be further from the truth. There is ALWAYS a surplus of labor in any modern
economic system. There is NEVER more jobs then workers in a modern economic
system. For the vast majority of workers, when there is not a unified work
force, wages are determined by the company.
"The trouble with capitalism is capitalists; they're too ...
greedy." President Herbert Hoover, Republican President
In every system there will always be people at the bottom. The more corrupt the
government, the more people at the bottom. Socialist governments seem to have
more people at the bottom than capitalist governments. As our government is
becoming more socialist, we have seen the average family income drop. Same has
happened throughout Europe. Will we learn from this? I know some of
you won't, but hopefully the majority will.
Badger, what are you talking about? You throw around a couple of words,
socialist and capitalist, and you think that means something. These
issues are far more complex then just saying "as our government gets more
socialistic".Some of the greatest prosperity, for all, the world
has ever seen was in this country, right after welfare programs, and social
programs and strong federal planning had been implemented. And the top tax rate
was ninety percent. NINETY PERCENT. it was amazing what those programs did,
those socialist programs. But there have been people ever since that have been
doing everything they can to dismantle those great advancements. And they are
winning. Those socialist programs, Medicare, social security, etc are the legacy
that the greatest generation left us. And we have watched, and some have
abetted, while those that do not love this country and its promises, but love
only money and power, have done everything they can to tear it down. They have
Shaun: "How would you end poverty?"Well Shaun, I'm glad
you asked. Because I already have ended poverty; for myself. Yes I was once
poor. And no it was not fun. But nobody told me I had to stay that way. So I
worked my tail off, and now I'm not poor any more. I never asked any of
my employers to pay me more. I never wanted the government to force them to
either. Instead, I worked hard, improved my skills and my employers voluntarily
paid me more (or another one did).You see Shaun, the big Liberal lie
about poverty is that it is a permanent situation. But the truth is that
poverty is only beginning for most people. Those who remain poor, do it by
choice. There are countless numbers of refugees who come to this country with
absolutely nothing. And yet in a few short years, they have lifted themselves
out of poverty to a comfortable life style, the same way I did. And they do it
with less help and encouragement than their neighbors who are 2nd or 3rd
@Ronnie W.:"Wal-Mart is one the biggest government leeches there are.
They intentionally work people just less than the required time to be considered
a 'full-time' employee so they don't have to offer health
insurance. Many employees are forced to use WIC, food stamps and other
government assistance programs."That's not Wal-Mart's
fault. It's the fault of the government who makes the laws. All Wal-Mart
is doing is applying the laws as passed by Congress to do what companies are
created to do... maximize profits for owners (stockholders). And, of course,
who is it that passes the laws? Guys like Bernie Sanders.
@one old man:"Exactly why I DO NOT shop at Walmart."I
don't shop at Wal-Mart because almost everything in the store comes from
China."But Walmart is only one of countless predatory businesses
in America. McDonalds, Olive Garden, Poppa Johns... the list is almost
endless."So, I guess you won't be shopping anyplace then,
right?@Midwest Mom:"Walmart is proof that trickle down
doesn't work. The Waltons are so rich because they make a lot of money, but
don't distribute it among their workers."Wal-Mart
distributes profits to stockholders. If you work at Wal-Mart and want the
company to distribute to you, buy some Wal-Mart stock. That's how a
capitalist society works.@Flashback:"I don't shop at
Walmart because their products are substandard quality and everything comes from
China. Basically, Walmart funds the Chinese military."Actually,
Wal-Mart funds our national debt via China. So don't knock Wal-Mart...
without whom we may not be able to fund our government.@patriot:"This minimum wage increase is all about politics and nothing
more."True. He buying votes for upcoming elections... with
other peoples' money.
@netjes:"A Wal-Mart worker cannot find a better-paying job
anywhere."Wal-Mart pays competitive wages. In the oil producing
areas such as the Dakotas, Wal-Mart pays way more than in high unemployment
areas... in order to compete.
Harrison Bergeron, do you really believe that the poor want to be that way? I
know two people, identical skills, one makes twice as much as the other. Both
are hard workers. Should the person earning less keep quitting jobs until the
earn what the other one does? When quitting jobs becomes a habit, companies will
not hire you. You're over simplifying.90% of the companies I
worked for never gave me a raise for bettering my skills, or working harder.
They gave me a title and more responsibility instead. You can't eat a title
or more responsibility.
"the big Liberal lie about poverty is that it is a permanent
situation."No, poverty is a permanent situation. There has
always been poverty in the world. Most people that have ever lived have lived in
poverty. Need is ever present. Oh, I know, the individual if they work hard in
this country has a good opportunity to lift themselves up. But for many this
will never happen. Do people really pretend the workers at Walmart do not work
hard? I know, I know, then go work someplace else, get an education. But,
remember, not everybody is as clever as you. And sometimes, people really do
catch a bad break or two. I don't know what to think of your
statement that you have never asked for a raise. Good heavens, do you value
yourself so little? Of worship your lords, I mean employees, so much. "Those who remain poor, do it by choice"And here, my
friends, is the great conservative lie.
I have not seen a significant raise in over 15 years, I'm salary, and
now expected to work over 50 hours a week.America is going down the
toilet, and it is the greed of Corporations who are causing it.Either Government steps in to address it, orRevolutions will.[see American, French, Russian, etc.]I prefer the 1st option, because the 2nd one does not go over very nicely.
Slars: "... do you really believe that the poor want to be that way?"
Of course not! When I was poor, I didn't want to be. That was
why I chose to do something about it. But there are also those who are poor and
wish they were rich, but are not willing to do something about it. If refugees
can come to this country speaking a foreign language with only the clothes they
are wearing, no marketable skills, no education and achieve an upper middle
class lifestyle, then why should anyone be consigned to permanent poverty?
mark: "No, poverty is a permanent situation. There has always been poverty
in the world."Yes, like children are a permanent situation.
There will always be "poverty" in that sense because we will always
describe the bottom wage earners as the "poor." But not individually
(and we are talking about America, not the rest of the world). mark: "Do people really pretend the workers at Wal-Mart do not work
hard?"I don't. I worked much harder when I was poor, than
I do now. But I did not have the skills and education I do now. Nobody expects
someone to work at Wal-Mart for life. And everyone who works at Wal-Mart is
there by choice. There's no forced conscription at Wal-Mart. There are no
indentured servants. Everyone asked for the job and agreed to the wages.
Every employee is free to leave for a better offer as I'm sure many do.
But what a great place to get some work experience, learn retail or customer
service and get paid while you improve your education or marketable skills.
"Nobody expects someone to work at Wal-Mart for life. And everyone who works
at Wal-Mart is there by choice. There's no forced conscription at Wal-Mart.
There are no indentured servants. Everyone asked for the job and agreed to the
wages. Every employee is free to leave for a better offer as I'm sure many
do. But what a great place to get some work experience, learn retail or customer
service and get paid while you improve your education or marketable
HarrisonYour "immigrant" analogy is a classic straw man. A
more apropos analogy for that group is "pioneer". We celebrate
(rightfully so) the victory of the survivor under harsh conditions. You may, on
rare occasions, get the story of those who perished on the journey.
They're the forgotten (unlucky) ones. The common thread about all of them
was that they were trying to make a better life for their posterity. I doubt
many of them envisioned shangri-la.The point is this: If
you're going to throw out "Horatio Alger" as a template, you'd
better be sure the utility of the copies is as effective. That means everyone
one willing to work hard and sacrifice (education is a trade off) should be
entitled to the good life ... whatever that is. The real world says otherwise,
but true pioneers would be willing to share one another's burdens - and
fate - be it good or bad. Testimonial (yours included) is the most insidious
form of propaganda there is. Not everyone who tries makes it. But it's
hard to convince folks who live in the MLM capital of the world of that truth.
As bernie said, wal-mart is a wealthy company. Yet, they don't raise wages
and salaries more than "market price". The market price of a worker has
stagnated. Its not going up and it certainly hasn't kept pace with
inflation over the last 50 years. These companies and a lot of other
corporations are not generous with their earnings. And THAT is what constitute
greed. Greed is destroying america from the top down. There is a difference
between greedy capitalism and GENEROUS capitalism; the latter where a company
raises wages/salaries as their income and success grows. It seems though,
success to the 1% means giving the residual to their top execs. Which would be
why their income has grown and the general population is relatively stagnant due
to inflation and lack of income increases. You won't ever see a 1%'er
admit this though. they're too busy thinking that they can get away with
starving their minions while they have massive wine-cellars, 100 ft yachts and a
half dozen homes around the world. Mega-multi-millionaires and billionaires
especially need to be regarded for who they REALLY are. Greedy. $100 million
plus net worth and they keep compensating themselves?
@Ex-PatCase StudyFrom 1978 until the mid 80's about 2
million Vietnamese fled communist re-education camps in small boats. More than
a half million of these "boat people" ended up in the US. They came
speaking a foreign language with the clothes they were wearing and very little
else. Despite language barriers and war prejudices, they worked hard
and lifted themselves out of poverty. According to census data, their economic
status has improved dramatically. By 1989 only 34% were still below the poverty
line. By 1999, the percentage had dropped to only 16%. The
majority are now small business owners and employ others. They practically own
the fishing industry in New Orleans; a place where, coincidentally, we were
told during Katrina that government welfare was the only solution to perpetual
poverty. I guess the Vietnamese did not get the memo.
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