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Published: Saturday, Feb. 22 2014 9:49 p.m. MST

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mark
Salt Lake City, UT

" A Wal-Mart worker cannot find a better-paying job anywhere"

Very sad comment, isn't it? Yet this person says it like its a good thing. Another person claims walmart is good for America because it has low prices on products. Can you imagine? Like that's what makes America great low priced stuff made in China. Maybe this person would want to research HOW walmart maintains those low prices. Still another says this:

"when the [walmart] workers are not creating anywhere near that kind of value for others."

Can you imagine? This person actually believes this. These workers created multiple billions of dollars for many people, these workers created huge fortunes, massive fortunes, for others. And this person thinks they created nowhere near that kind of value for others.

And still others think the labor market is based on supply and demand. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is ALWAYS a surplus of labor in any modern economic system. There is NEVER more jobs then workers in a modern economic system. For the vast majority of workers, when there is not a unified work force, wages are determined by the company.

Nosea
Forest Grove, OR

"The trouble with capitalism is capitalists; they're too ... greedy." President Herbert Hoover, Republican President

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

In every system there will always be people at the bottom. The more corrupt the government, the more people at the bottom. Socialist governments seem to have more people at the bottom than capitalist governments. As our government is becoming more socialist, we have seen the average family income drop. Same has happened throughout Europe.

Will we learn from this? I know some of you won't, but hopefully the majority will.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Badger, what are you talking about? You throw around a couple of words, socialist and capitalist, and you think that means something.

These issues are far more complex then just saying "as our government gets more socialistic".

Some of the greatest prosperity, for all, the world has ever seen was in this country, right after welfare programs, and social programs and strong federal planning had been implemented. And the top tax rate was ninety percent. NINETY PERCENT. it was amazing what those programs did, those socialist programs. But there have been people ever since that have been doing everything they can to dismantle those great advancements. And they are winning. Those socialist programs, Medicare, social security, etc are the legacy that the greatest generation left us. And we have watched, and some have abetted, while those that do not love this country and its promises, but love only money and power, have done everything they can to tear it down. They have almost won.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

Shaun: "How would you end poverty?"

Well Shaun, I'm glad you asked. Because I already have ended poverty; for myself. Yes I was once poor. And no it was not fun. But nobody told me I had to stay that way. So I worked my tail off, and now I'm not poor any more. I never asked any of my employers to pay me more. I never wanted the government to force them to either. Instead, I worked hard, improved my skills and my employers voluntarily paid me more (or another one did).

You see Shaun, the big Liberal lie about poverty is that it is a permanent situation. But the truth is that poverty is only beginning for most people. Those who remain poor, do it by choice. There are countless numbers of refugees who come to this country with absolutely nothing. And yet in a few short years, they have lifted themselves out of poverty to a comfortable life style, the same way I did. And they do it with less help and encouragement than their neighbors who are 2nd or 3rd generation poor.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Badger, what are you talking about? You throw around a couple of words, socialist and capitalist, and you think that means something.

These issues are far more complex then just saying "as our government gets more socialistic".

Some of the greatest prosperity, for all, the world has ever seen was in this country, right after welfare programs, and social programs and strong federal planning had been implemented. And the top tax rate was ninety percent. NINETY PERCENT. it was amazing what those programs did, those socialist programs. But there have been people ever since that have been doing everything they can to dismantle those great advancements. And they are winning. Those socialist programs, Medicare, social security, etc are the legacy that the greatest generation left us. And we have watched, and some have abetted, while those that do not love this country and its promises, but love only money and power, have done everything they can to tear it down. They have almost won.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Ronnie W.:
"Wal-Mart is one the biggest government leeches there are. They intentionally work people just less than the required time to be considered a 'full-time' employee so they don't have to offer health insurance. Many employees are forced to use WIC, food stamps and other government assistance programs."

That's not Wal-Mart's fault. It's the fault of the government who makes the laws. All Wal-Mart is doing is applying the laws as passed by Congress to do what companies are created to do... maximize profits for owners (stockholders). And, of course, who is it that passes the laws? Guys like Bernie Sanders.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@one old man:
"Exactly why I DO NOT shop at Walmart."

I don't shop at Wal-Mart because almost everything in the store comes from China.

"But Walmart is only one of countless predatory businesses in America. McDonalds, Olive Garden, Poppa Johns... the list is almost endless."

So, I guess you won't be shopping anyplace then, right?

@Midwest Mom:
"Walmart is proof that trickle down doesn't work. The Waltons are so rich because they make a lot of money, but don't distribute it among their workers."

Wal-Mart distributes profits to stockholders. If you work at Wal-Mart and want the company to distribute to you, buy some Wal-Mart stock. That's how a capitalist society works.

@Flashback:
"I don't shop at Walmart because their products are substandard quality and everything comes from China. Basically, Walmart funds the Chinese military."

Actually, Wal-Mart funds our national debt via China. So don't knock Wal-Mart... without whom we may not be able to fund our government.

@patriot:
"This minimum wage increase is all about politics and nothing more."

True. He buying votes for upcoming elections... with other peoples' money.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@netjes:
"A Wal-Mart worker cannot find a better-paying job anywhere."

Wal-Mart pays competitive wages. In the oil producing areas such as the Dakotas, Wal-Mart pays way more than in high unemployment areas... in order to compete.

SLars
Provo, UT

Harrison Bergeron, do you really believe that the poor want to be that way? I know two people, identical skills, one makes twice as much as the other. Both are hard workers. Should the person earning less keep quitting jobs until the earn what the other one does? When quitting jobs becomes a habit, companies will not hire you. You're over simplifying.

90% of the companies I worked for never gave me a raise for bettering my skills, or working harder. They gave me a title and more responsibility instead. You can't eat a title or more responsibility.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"the big Liberal lie about poverty is that it is a permanent situation."

No, poverty is a permanent situation. There has always been poverty in the world. Most people that have ever lived have lived in poverty. Need is ever present. Oh, I know, the individual if they work hard in this country has a good opportunity to lift themselves up. But for many this will never happen. Do people really pretend the workers at Walmart do not work hard? I know, I know, then go work someplace else, get an education. But, remember, not everybody is as clever as you. And sometimes, people really do catch a bad break or two.

I don't know what to think of your statement that you have never asked for a raise. Good heavens, do you value yourself so little? Of worship your lords, I mean employees, so much.

"Those who remain poor, do it by choice"

And here, my friends, is the great conservative lie.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I have not seen a significant raise in over 15 years,
I'm salary, and now expected to work over 50 hours a week.

America is going down the toilet,
and it is the greed of Corporations who are causing it.

Either Government steps in to address it,
or
Revolutions will.
[see American, French, Russian, etc.]

I prefer the 1st option,
because the 2nd one does not go over very nicely.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

Slars: "... do you really believe that the poor want to be that way?"

Of course not! When I was poor, I didn't want to be. That was why I chose to do something about it. But there are also those who are poor and wish they were rich, but are not willing to do something about it. If refugees can come to this country speaking a foreign language with only the clothes they are wearing, no marketable skills, no education and achieve an upper middle class lifestyle, then why should anyone be consigned to permanent poverty?

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

mark: "No, poverty is a permanent situation. There has always been poverty in the world."

Yes, like children are a permanent situation. There will always be "poverty" in that sense because we will always describe the bottom wage earners as the "poor." But not individually (and we are talking about America, not the rest of the world).

mark: "Do people really pretend the workers at Wal-Mart do not work hard?"

I don't. I worked much harder when I was poor, than I do now. But I did not have the skills and education I do now. Nobody expects someone to work at Wal-Mart for life. And everyone who works at Wal-Mart is there by choice. There's no forced conscription at Wal-Mart. There are no indentured servants. Everyone asked for the job and agreed to the wages. Every employee is free to leave for a better offer as I'm sure many do. But what a great place to get some work experience, learn retail or customer service and get paid while you improve your education or marketable skills.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

"Nobody expects someone to work at Wal-Mart for life. And everyone who works at Wal-Mart is there by choice. There's no forced conscription at Wal-Mart. There are no indentured servants. Everyone asked for the job and agreed to the wages. Every employee is free to leave for a better offer as I'm sure many do. But what a great place to get some work experience, learn retail or customer service and get paid while you improve your education or marketable skills."

Worth reposting...

Ex-Pat of Zion
Lititz, PA

Harrison

Your "immigrant" analogy is a classic straw man. A more apropos analogy for that group is "pioneer". We celebrate (rightfully so) the victory of the survivor under harsh conditions. You may, on rare occasions, get the story of those who perished on the journey. They're the forgotten (unlucky) ones. The common thread about all of them was that they were trying to make a better life for their posterity. I doubt many of them envisioned shangri-la.

The point is this: If you're going to throw out "Horatio Alger" as a template, you'd better be sure the utility of the copies is as effective. That means everyone one willing to work hard and sacrifice (education is a trade off) should be entitled to the good life ... whatever that is. The real world says otherwise, but true pioneers would be willing to share one another's burdens - and fate - be it good or bad. Testimonial (yours included) is the most insidious form of propaganda there is. Not everyone who tries makes it. But it's hard to convince folks who live in the MLM capital of the world of that truth.

Capsaicin
Salt Lake City, UT

As bernie said, wal-mart is a wealthy company. Yet, they don't raise wages and salaries more than "market price". The market price of a worker has stagnated. Its not going up and it certainly hasn't kept pace with inflation over the last 50 years. These companies and a lot of other corporations are not generous with their earnings. And THAT is what constitute greed. Greed is destroying america from the top down. There is a difference between greedy capitalism and GENEROUS capitalism; the latter where a company raises wages/salaries as their income and success grows. It seems though, success to the 1% means giving the residual to their top execs. Which would be why their income has grown and the general population is relatively stagnant due to inflation and lack of income increases. You won't ever see a 1%'er admit this though. they're too busy thinking that they can get away with starving their minions while they have massive wine-cellars, 100 ft yachts and a half dozen homes around the world. Mega-multi-millionaires and billionaires especially need to be regarded for who they REALLY are. Greedy. $100 million plus net worth and they keep compensating themselves?

Silvex
Salt Lake, UT

@Ex-Pat

Case Study
From 1978 until the mid 80's about 2 million Vietnamese fled communist re-education camps in small boats. More than a half million of these "boat people" ended up in the US. They came speaking a foreign language with the clothes they were wearing and very little else.

Despite language barriers and war prejudices, they worked hard and lifted themselves out of poverty. According to census data, their economic status has improved dramatically. By 1989 only 34% were still below the poverty line. By 1999, the percentage had dropped to only 16%.

The majority are now small business owners and employ others. They practically own the fishing industry in New Orleans; a place where, coincidentally, we were told during Katrina that government welfare was the only solution to perpetual poverty. I guess the Vietnamese did not get the memo.

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