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Published: Saturday, Feb. 22 2014 9:49 p.m. MST

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Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I often hear the statement: "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend".

Is there any one out there who can help me understand what they are saying?

bandersen
Saint George, UT

One could search long and hard to find an idea such as guaranteed full employment as a fix to a problem, but there is no evidence on God's green earth from Adam's exit from the garden to 2014 that would remotely show success with such foolishness. Of course, one recent example of someone who promised something similar would be Hitler before the holocaust. I would just as soon avoid a repeat of that. If there was ever a power grab of greater epic proportions, it would be to give a leader the power to implement such foolish notions.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Thank you DN for including this video!

Walmart is proof that trickle down doesn't work. The Waltons are so rich because they make a lot of money, but don't distribute it among their workers.

There's a lot of talk among some conservatives about the "makers" and the "takers." Workers of America make the products and produce the labor that runs this country. Their labor also creates the wealth that makes some people rich and provides the capital to buy all the goods and services in our economy. It's also workers, not the wealthy, who volunteer their lives to defend this country. So I would submit that the makers are those who work and the takers are those who steal more than their fair share of the proceeds of productivity. After all, flipping burgers isn't a valuable skill, but it's worth a lot to those who grow rich because of burgers and other simple services. Their workers should not have to go on welfare just so their employers can have more profit. The final insult is the current political attacks on the poor.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Ironically, Walmart is the greatest threat to capitalism. A growing monopsony, it simply drives out of business any competitor it wants to. It keeps tens of thousands of workers on starvation wages, thus perpetuating the poverty cycle and destroying the very consumer base it relies on. It acts as a parasite on the public coffers, as Sen. Sanders points out so well. Theodore Roosevelt would have known what to do with a Walmart in his time.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I don't shop at Walmart because their products are substandard quality and everything comes from China. Basically, Walmart funds the Chinese military.

That said, Bernie Sanders provides many hours of comedy on CSPAN. His disheveled looks along with his far, far left propaganda make me laugh. He alwasy looks like he just woke up.

Unfortunately, I may have to agree with Bernie on this one issue. Walmart hasn't been a good corporate citizen since Sam Walton died. But for his kids, who apparently didn't learn much from him, it is all about money and power. Seems to be a theme in Arkansas. I recall a politician from Arkansas that's like that. So's his wife.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Ultra Bob: "I often hear the statement: 'The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.' Is there any one out there who can help me understand what they are saying?"

It goes right along with another popular saying "Put your money where your mouth is." Almost all the socialists talk about spreading other people's wealth around, not their own.

Obama loves to talk all day about "income inequality", but I might take his words a little more seriously if he would distribute a little of his own income. He makes millions (definitely in the top 1%) and takes extravagant family vacations on the taxpayer dime.

When I hear that he is giving a huge portion of this own wealth away or taking a vacation locally instead of flying around the world to exotic places, then I won't roll my eyes every time I hear him talk.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Agreed!
Great comment! Spot on.

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Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah
Ironically, Walmart is the greatest threat to capitalism.

[Agreed!
The funny thing, they are doing giving more to Communists in China than they are to AMERICA!
and the pro-business Conservative see no problem with this?...]

Shaun
Sandy, UT

I would suggest the federal government remove tax deductions and incentives for companies that pay poverty wages. We as taxpayers should only give tax incentives and deductions for companies that actually provide decent paying jobs.

Otherwise it is just corporate welfare.

airnaut
Everett, 00

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Of course, one recent example of someone who promised something similar would be Hitler before the holocaust.

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Really?
Once again with a Hitler reference -
once again, getting it all wrong,
and once again getting it all backwards.

Hitler took care of the unemployed the same way he took care of anyone else
"not fit for the New Society" --

Liberals,
Communists,
Homosexuals,
Abortion Doctors,
Addicts,
Illegal Immigrants,
Porn,
Terminally ill,
the Homeless,
and of course, the Jews.

The uber-Germany Nationalists and the Military Industrial Complex LOVED him.
To them, he was a True Patriot,
"Taking Germany back" from the passifist Liberal Weirmar Republic.

BTW --
Hitler NEVER would have allowed buying food, clothing and other daily necessities from his sworn enemies, let alone letting a Company's employees leech from the National Treasury to survive.

But Conservatives let WalMart and other companies send $Trillions of dollars annually to China,
in fact -- they are their biggest cheer-leaders.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Ultra Bob: William Sumner said, "A man who can command another man's labor and self-denial for the support of his own existence is a privileged person of the highest species conceivable on earth...The working man needs no improvement in his condition except to be freed from the parasites who are living on him." He also said this, "History is only a tiresome repetition of one story...Persons and classes have sought to win possession of the power of the state in order to live luxuriously out of the earnings of others...A man whose labor and self-denial may be diverted from his maintenance to that of some other man is not a free man, and approaches more or less toward the position of a slave." Crony capitalism is not liberty and as long as you put evil men in power, whether in a capitalistic system of socialistic system, the poor and the working man will be hurt. Socialism is just communism light. A war is brewing in America, but it is not one of arms, but of ideas. Liberty versus slavery.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

I concur, the socialists are out in force today.

The fact is we are not subsidizing Walmart. We are subsidizing people with no desire to develop marketable skills. We are also allowing politicians to vilify a company in order to achieve their political adgenda.

Out of all of the people working in the labor force, only 2% earn minimum wage. The rest earn more than that. Then, most of the people earning minimum wage are Highschool kids and college kids paying their way through school.

So, why do we need to raise wages for less than 1% of workers?

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

All right you liberals who don't believe in trickle down. Tell us where trickle up has actually worked? The trickle up idea/anti-capitalist rhetoric that you believe is just collectivism. So tell us, where has collectivism actually worked?

You say that capitalism is a failure, yet what is your alternative, socialism, communism, fascism? The alternatives to capitalism are all huge failures.

Some of the more devious people will say that we need a combination of collectivism and capitalism, but that is exactly what got us to this point. You want to use capitalism to fund your collectivism, then blame capitalism when collectivism fails.

So, tell us, where has your collectivist ideas actually been able to match capitalism in terms of prosperity and lifting people out of poverty.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

re: liberal larry

"...the 6 main Walmart heirs have a combined net worth greater than the bottom 41% of American citizens! How's that for income inequality?"

More like irony. Its the bottom 41% that make up at least 95% of Walmarts patrons.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to Flashback

Don't forget Jerry Jones (the best GM in the NFL).

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to Redshirt1701 about lunch time

"Tell us where trickle up has actually worked?"

Uh, Walmart. You obviously have not been paying attention.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

airnaut (aka Open Minded Mormon):

Capitalism respects no borders. If money flows freely to the best value (you know...like when it is in the hands of a shopper), then it will flow to countries where productive workers and favorable business regulations exists. If we want to compete with China, then we must compete, not try to change all the rules.

We might not like all the things pure capitalism brings, but any attempt to regulate it to death will be to the detriment of everyone (especially the poor).

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@JoeCapitalist
At the same time you have to regulate capitalism. There are examples of pure unfettered capitalism in the world. Look at Somalia for example, if you have money you can buy anything you want. Literally anything, you want drugs, you can get them with enough money. You want to buy a human being to be you slave, just pony up the cash. You want to buy a large number of military grade weapons, same thing. Capitalism without regulation is a system run purely on greed, with no regard for human life or safety. In order for Capitalism to work there must be regulation. Period.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Mister J" I don't think you are paying attention. Trickle up means that you dump all sorts of free stuff on the people in hopes that they improve their lives. According to Senator Sanders the people receive stuff, but their lives are not improving. So, apparently it isn't working at Walmart.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ultra Bob
Bandersen.
IMO, Hitler was a product of the oppression imposed on the German people after the First World War. They are a proud and intelligent people, desperately wanted a leader that would lift them out of their misery and give them back self respect. Hitler used the situation to grab power and tried to rule the world.
The economic oppression that we are seeing in the United States has been repeated time after time for all of history. I agree that a war is brewing in America...of ideas of liberty versus slavery, but you may have the wrong idea of who the players are who are on the side of liberty and those for slavery.

Redshirt1701.

It's common knowledge that the sum of the group, a collective, is greater than the sum of the individuals. Every government, every organization of any kind is a collective.

Capitalism fails when it doesn't do its job. Controlled Capitalism is probably the best system for business in America. Uncontrolled Capitalism is the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest. The law of the jungle is no good for the operation of a civilized society.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Schnee

Missing the point. Let the free market decide ...not the federal government. Actually - let the states decide!! How about that! In the Dakotas there is an oil boom on private land and everyone is making great money there ...even Wallmart employees. Forcing an across the board pay increase for everyone simply turns the economy on its head. This minimum wage increase is all about politics and nothing more. The minimum wage is not supposed to be a "supporting wage" for people to live on. People pay minimum wage for low skill people ...mostly teenagers to get work experience...but of course Obamacare takes care of that anyway doesn't it by allowing dead beats to stay home and do water colors or drugs and get subsidized by working people...right (according to Nancy Pelosi)?? Why work when someone else can work for you ...The Obama Motto.

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