July 2016... I assume that's partly to deal with the issue I just thought
of which is what you do about those who are currently 18-20 and smoking and then
suddenly cut off cold turkey (at least legally). I do think it needs to be
grandfathered in, or something like that, if it were to pass.
At age 18 you can legally join the Army, legally buy a handgun, or receive the
death penalty in Utah.
At age 18, I am legally an adult. I vote for the President. I enlist in the
military to protect our country and die if necessary. I pay my taxes and do all
other things that come with being a legal adult. Why does our legislature
believe they have the right to determine if I can smoke?So if I am sitting
in a foxhole defending our state while I am 18, and someone offers me a
cigarette, I am to decline because the law in Utah forbids it? If I did light
up, would Utah authorities give me a citation after I put my life on the line?
This seems to run contrary to our conservative values of less goverment and
If you are an adult at 18, then why can't you drink alcohol? We can't
consider them adults in some things and not adults in others... or can we?
The arrogance of these legislators angers me. They have absolutely ZERO right to
tell an adult what he/she can or cannot put into his/her body. And all the
arrogant, self-righteous people who support this bill are equally culpable for
Now this is silly! Govt needs to leave 18 yr old's alone when it comes to
a lot of things. Like a lot of posts have said they're old enough to serve
this country in the armed forces. They're old enough to drive and are able
to vote but yet they're not allowed to drink(which I agree with and they
want to keep a legal adult from smoking. Well after being a smoker and became
ill from it I quit 7 years ago but not before I ended up on oxygen 24/7. I
can't be anywhere near the smoke. Now if they want to legislate this maybe
they should have in Jr high a part of your education in health and instruct them
then the dangers of smoking. Get them discouraged early in life because nothing
good comes from it.
So,let me get this straight, up until 21 we are concerned about your health but
after that you can drink and smoke all you want, basically we don't care if
you kill yourself. I am not defending rights to smoke or drink but what I am
saying is, where is the logic in imposing an age restriction on drinking and
smoking. Doesn't smoking and drinking in any form defy correct thinking all
Absurd, and cowardly. Trying to have it both ways and offend the least number
of people, while "fixing a problem."The Legislators need to
be honest and decide the simple question:Is tobacco use something
that should be allowed at all?If yes, the no changes are needed.If no, then just vote for a total immediate, 100% outright ban on sale,
possession or use of tobacco in any form for anyone, ever. And then
ironically, they will probably bring up legalization of marijuana and pass that.
We have too many politicians eager to "do something" rather
than to defend freedom, including the freedom of people to make stupid, harmful
@FatherOfFour:True..., but you cannot legally purchase an alcoholic
beverage or engage in underage sex in Utah. There are many laws that restrict
Adults until the age of 21, so this is not an anomoly.@Dixie Dan:If you are enlisted, please accept our collective thanks for the Service you
provide our country. We are all praying that you will be kept safe from harm and
return home to your family. Our concerns for your safety do not stop at the end
of your enlistment however--we also want you to return home without any
long-term ailments such as smoking.With a long line of family
members who have served in the Army, Navy, AF and Marines--it is admitted by
most that they started smoking when they joined the service because it was
offered to them by a buddy and it was their way of showing camaraderie. It took
years for most of them to quit after a lot of health issues, some never have,
and a couple have died from its affects.I've seen first-hand
the trail of tears this habit leaves in its wake, and I agree with the proposed
law, and hope it passes.
It is sound public health legislation. An adolescent brain is not anatomically
mature until the early twenties. The late teenage years are generally when
people become addicted to tobacco. Smokers are all in favor of their personal
freedoms free of government intervention until they begin coughing up blood or
have a heart attack and then they depend on government to provide medical care.
Not many smokers would opt for self-pay for tobacco related illnesses.
@TruthBToldNot to speak for Dan I think the point is if you are old enough
to make the choice to go and kill and die for your country you are old enough to
decide if you want to smoke. I for one am totally down with raising the
enlistment age to 21, Having seen the first hand results of war, PTSD in my
patients, I think it is at least every bit a serious decision as smoking.
My eighteen year old son was sighted for smoking while walking down the street a
few years ago. I believe nineteen was the legal age to smoke at the time. An
older friend purchased the cigarettes for him. Point is, just like the huge
teenage alcohol problem in Utah, kids will continue to get older people to
purchase cigarettes for them, just like alcohol. Peer pressure seems to be more
powerful than common sense these days as most parents can attest to.
Thank you @Tolstoy; I agree with raising the enlistment age too. I do understand
what @DixieDan is saying--and I am VERY grateful for the choices of those who
serve our country.It seems to me that with our collective first-hand
knowledge, esp. with you as a doctor, you & I actually agree that serious
decisions like smoking, drinking, enlistment, sexual conduct, buying marijuana
in CO/WA, etc. are best suited for those who are able to make a mature decision
for themselves and live with that decision (and its consequences or
benefits).In our country, we the people have determined that some
liberties are available at 16 (eg., driving), and 18 (eg., voting), but at 21
yrs old no one can tell you what to (legally) do anymore. Seems appropriate, as
@Hemlock pointed out, that serious cancer-related health choices known to cause
death for those who use it as well as those who breath it second-hand is best
suited for 21 and smoking tops that list.As for E-Cigs, there is not
enough research or data to prove its long-term affects yet, but with Nicotine in
the vapors it is highly addictive.
I admit to having a bias on this subject, not just smoking but doing anything
(on purpose) knowing that could harm your lungs and shorten your lifespan. For
that matter doing anything that would have the same impact on your children or
anyone else around you. Like my "name" says I am the mother
of child with Cystic Fibrosis. I watched her die at age 21 from progressive lung
disease. It was not pretty, it was UGLY, it was gut wrenching, it was a helpless
feeling watching her gasp for air as her need for supplemental oxygen increased,
as she fought to breathe. She coughed crap out of her lungs as baby until the
day she died. I do not wish CF on my worst enemy. I have watched the death of a
loved one due to CF related lung disease. Why would anyone, knowing
what we know now about the relationship between tobacco products and lung
disease do this to themselves? It boggles my mind! Just visit any lung cancer
patient or end stage CF patient and decide if that is the way you want to live.
The choice to smoke is STUPID!
Another thought: A Utah adult teen joins the Army and fights in a war. While
there, he earns the Medal of Honor. He comes home to his family and receives
all the glory and honor winning this medal deserves. One day he is standing on
the sidewalk in front of his house smoking when he is cited by one of our
policeman. I wonder how the national press would handle a CMH winner getting
cited for smoking a cigarette on the sidewalk in front of his house?
@truthbtold I have also seen the destruction that smoking plays on the
human body and I agree these are decisions best left to people whose frontal
lobes have at least had a chance to more fully develop> I am concerned
though that to much faith is placed on enforcement of laws and not enough time
is spent helping kids to understand why smoking is not in their best interest
and giving them alternatives.
To all those upset that you can join the army at 18 but not smoke, just remember
that the choice to poison your body with tobacco requires more maturity than the
choice to enter the military. Joining the military is a noble choice, choosing
tobacco is a foolish one.
Why not 28? Your parents have to legally pay for your insurance until you are
In other News...Another State Committe passes a bill increasing
vehicular speed limits to 80 pmh thereby effecting ALL Utahns inhaling toxins,
espcially effecting those under 21.They hypocracy in this State
knows no bounds....
Age 18 does not make you an adult in every sense. The brain is still
developing, and social responsibility is just beginning to develop. Studies
show that most smokers under 19 years of age get their cigarettes from 19 &
20 year olds. This is one of many reasons why it is a good idea to raise the
minimum age for buying & using tobacco. E- cigs are often touted as a way
to quit smoking, but recent experience is starting to indicate that it is very
popular among teens. It is a gateway to tobacco. We do not want teens getting
addicted to nicotine in any form.All of those critics who throw around
words like "self-righteous" to attack the proponents of this bill seem
pretty self-righteous themselves. They talk like smoking affects no one but
themselves. We all breathe the same air; when you smoke, it hurts everyone, not