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Published: Thursday, Feb. 20 2014 10:45 a.m. MST

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cavetroll
SANDY, UT

Sounds like a reasonable alternative to the joke we have now. Because of that, this bill has zero chance of passing, especially with the LDS theocracy weighing in.

romeisn'tburning
layton, ut

This is far too reasonable and logical to get passed in the Senate. Valentine will personally knock it down.

cocosweet
Sandy, UT

Snicker... Yep, I'd totally miss the bar in a restaurant and would need a warning to help me find it. I feel for those restaurants that had to pay for the foolish walls, but I should bring in restaurants who wouldn't agree to Zion Curtain.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

A recent study showed that almost all underage drinkers in Utah get their alcohol from their own homes. That validates the "Zion Wall" practice, which obviously discourages underage drinking in public establishments. If alcohol consumption is reduced for minors, then this is a practice that should be copied by every other state. Utah should be proud!

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@gmlewis

Are you saying we need to install "Zion Curtains" in homes now? How do Zion Curtains affect a minor getting alcohol from their own homes? If they do, how does this validate the Zion Curtain?

DC
Alexandria, VA

I don't get it. I am so far from being offended when I am in a place where alcohol is served. I work with people who drink, I go to networking receptions and network with people who have drinks in their hands. Some of our best friends are not LDS and serve drinks at parties they host (even with children present - gasp!) - and so far my 11 year old son hasn't gotten drunk because he came too close to them, nor have I even been tempted once to join in.

This is one battle that isn't worth fighting.

romeisn'tburning
layton, ut

@GMLEWIS

Your logic is very suspect. Please explain how underage drinkers obtaining booze from home is related to forcing restaurants to pour beers, and make cocktails out of view of patrons?

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Utah is consistantly ranked in the top ten of all the states every time a new ranking comes out gaging the best places to live. The last such ranking I saw had Utah ranked 4th and California ranked 30th. So why do some people in Utah keep trying to change Utah into something resembling other states? If it ain't broke don't fix it. I like Utah the way it is.

boneheaded, but not a smidgen
SLC, UT

To the many enlighten posters, you might travel outside of this very horrible place and experience other state's alcohol laws. Utah's draconian laws really aren't as bad as many. Some folks can actually enjoy life and eating establishments without obsessing over alcohol. And if you live in another place, great knock yourself out with your liquor laws and don't worry about this state. We'll get along just fine.

ultragrampa
Farmington, UT

@ cavetroll

Your implication is that the LDS church has no business expressing a public opinion regarding proposed legislation. You realize that silencing such a voice - even if you don't like whose voice it is or what they say - is extremely un-American, right? Dude - that's what they do in North Korea.

Perhaps you should be somewhat concerned with why do other organizations and churches not have a more public stance against the problems associated with excess alcohol consumption.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

I think it would be prudent to consult with all of the Non-Drinking people of Utah before we move on with this. What say you sober residents of Utah?

Never Ever nor will there ever be a child who decided to start drinking because his parents took him to Applebee's and they sat next to the bar. Has it sparked a child's curiosity? Yes, that's where the parents come in. Parent your children people!

Amazing to me how most people who what less Government in their lives are so eager to want more Government in their lives.

Utah, home of the dumbest most nonsensical liquor laws in the world!

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@cavetroll

I don't buy the LDS theocracy comment. I'm a young LDS person and I don't know a single LDS person under the age of 65 who thinks the Zion Curtain is a good idea. Of course, I don't spend much time in Utah County...maybe things are different down there. I have a feeling that the LDS Church honestly doesn't care - after all, they're not trying to get Zion Curtains put up in California, and there are more Mormons in California than there are in Utah.

I have a feeling this whole issue is just a handful of ultra-zealous legislators who are doing this on their own. I think the LDS Church has bigger fish to fry than fighting to keep a stupid barrier that has not been proven to have any effect on underage drinking or excessive drinking.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Brave Sir Robin,

There are more Mormons in Utah than in California. Please consult the LDS Church Almanac. Also, the LDS Church does care. They specifically requested that the State Legislature stop chipping away at Utah's liquor laws just a few weeks ago in a video release.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@boneheaded, but just a smidgen
"Some folks can actually enjoy life and eating establishments without obsessing over alcohol. "

As someone who doesn't drink alcohol myself, I can enjoy life and eating establishments that serve alcohol without obsessing over alcohol... by just not ordering it.

silo
Sandy, UT

Brave Sir Robin - "I have a feeling that the LDS Church honestly doesn't care"

That's a difficult statement to support considering the LDS Church issued a public statement through Elder Christofferson less than a month ago, expressly stating that the current laws should not be modified.

I agree with your second point that the barriers are pointless, unproven and an undue expense on one particular type of business. However, if the LDS Church has bigger fish to fry, they certainly allocate time in their busy schedule to meet with the legislators regarding the Church's stance on the State's liquor policy. I'd wager the Church gets a more attentive ear than the businesses that are actually impacted by this costly, pointless, and factually unsupportable law

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

I don't know how much of an effect this law actually has, but one thing that is proven year in and year out is that Utah is one of the lowest if not the lowest state for DUIs.
That in and of itself should say that perhaps these laws prevent a little of that (I could be wrong)
But if this unique law saves even one life in 10 years. Then keep it on the books in my opinion. It is a wall. Maybe certain people when they see the area drink more.
I will say I don't know much about it, but statistics show it MAY have an effect.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

With the problems of drought, education, pollution, immigration and moving the prison it seems that the legislature would rather take on the more critical issues of the curtail and a state tree.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

"A recent study showed that almost all underage drinkers in Utah get their alcohol from their own homes. That validates the "Zion Wall" practice, which obviously discourages underage drinking in public establishments. If alcohol consumption is reduced for minors, then this is a practice that should be copied by every other state. Utah should be proud!"

I made the above statements because in most states underage drinkers prefer to drink outside the home, where there is greater social pressure to drink. There are many homes where alcohol may be found, but they consciously choose to drink elsewhere.

If most Utah minors who drink are drinking in their homes, it is only because alcohol is already available there and they don't feel welcome to drink in public. Given that fewer homes than normal in Utah have alcohol, there are decidedly fewer Utah youth succumbing to this vice.

Larry Chandler
CEDAR CITY, UT

Keep a silly law that "may" have an effect in preventing one life in 10 years? Here's more: Prevent cars from being able to go above the speed limit to prevent even one car from going too fast. Eliminating all guns to prevent even one unwanted shooting. Remove all sugar from all foods to prevent even one person from getting too fat. Get rid of all state legislators to prevent even one from proposing yet one more silly law.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@gmlewis
Minors can't buy alcohol from bars and restaurants anyway. They aren't old enough, wall or no wall.

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