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Published: Saturday, Feb. 22 2014 8:00 a.m. MST

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Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

Wait a minute... It was my understanding that immigrants come here to take the jobs that Americans don't want or can't do... such as picking apples and lettuce, making beds in motels and the like. How is it that these jobs need a college education?

The bottom line is simply that the US doesn't need more workers. We have millions of unemployed sitting home, drawing unemployment checks paid from the American taxpayer and/or borrowed money. Many American workers have even stopped looking for work because there's none out there... and what there is is being gobbled up by the illegal, undocumented as well as the legal documented (visa, etc.) immigrant.

The US will never get its house in order until it can solve the immigration (legal and illegal) problem. And we can see that the current White House occupant has no plans to deal with the problem... except to encourage more of the same.

SLars
Provo, UT

If we give them schooling leading to citizenship (an unable to sponsor their parents), will we deport their parents for breaking our immigration and work laws. Will we fine and jail businessmen for hiring their parents here illegally? If we don't it's an open invitation for parents in other countries to ignore our laws, and bring their children here for an education, citizenship and sponsor their family. Until we enforce our laws, amnesty for children brought here is amnesty for the parents and extended family, and amnesty for business.

"The way to help those who want to come to Utah illegally is to let them know before they come that in Utah we live by the rule of law. And, if they come here illegally, they will experience much unnecessary hardship.

While some immigration stories are interesting tales of personal struggle, the failure of deceptive legislation that would grant amnesty is a national indicator that legality must not be based on convenience or individual circumstance. When it is, everyone expects to be the exception and the rule of law crumbles into meaninglessness."

--Arturo Morales-Llan, founder of Legal Immigrants for Immigration Law Enforcement.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@SLars:
"If we give them schooling leading to citizenship (an unable to sponsor their parents), will we deport their parents for breaking our immigration and work laws."

No, else they would have been deported by now.

"Will we fine and jail businessmen for hiring their parents here illegally?"

No, or they would have been fined and jailed by now.

"If we don't it's an open invitation for parents in other countries to ignore our laws, and bring their children here for an education, citizenship and sponsor their family."

It's happening as we speak, in spades. The answer to the illegal immigration problem seems to be just let them live here and get by the best they can without attaining citizenship. Such a life would, apparently, be far greater then returning to the country of origin.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

First off, ONE THIRD of all foreign-born are here illegally. When you add those who received some form of amnesty along the way, ONE HALF are or once were illegal aliens.
Washington has been asleep at the switch for decades.
Instead of cracking down on the problem, they:
-Make it harder to prosecute ID theft.
-Halt worksite raids.
-Fail to implement mandatory work paper verification.
-Give 300,000 fugitive absconders a new hearing about deportation.
-Take away local partnerships.
-Give DREAMers a two year executive branch pass.
-Use every opportunity with the press to encourage them to stay here.
-Sugar-coat the problem by calling them "undocumented." (See this article for a prime example.)

What did you think would happen.
Enforce the law!

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

Ok, so we get them an education. Now what? It is still illegal for them to be employed here, and getting the proper work visa is hard because they are here illegally.

If these people were willing to return to their home countries with their degrees, that would be one thing, but these kids have grown up here and have not desire to return home. That is a big problem.

We are now setting the US up for relaxing laws about hiring illegal immigrants. Is that where we want to go?

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Another way to look at it:
If these are the best and brightest why are we keeping them here? They should return to their third world country and assume the leadership positions there. How can they possibly help their countrymen if they are living in the United States.
Are we not pulling off a brain-drain from countries that need their talent the most?

Poqui
Murray, UT

Must do:
1) Give children born in the USA the same legal standing as their parents.
2) Require proof of legal residency to attend public school.
3) Provide transportation and a token amount of seed money for illegal immigrants who wish to return to their home country without prosecution.
4) Change the law to make it a felony to be in this country illegally.
5) Simplify immigration process, reduce the red tape.
6) Don't take out your anger on illegal immigrants, focus on the legislature. Jesus said love everyone.
7) Be grateful you live in such a wonderful country and participate in the political process.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Poqui,
About #5, we already seem to be able to process one million green cards a year. Simplifying would only increase that number, right? We don't need more immigrants. We've already stretched our social safety net and we've got nearly 100 million people not participating in the labor force.
About #6, "anger" is the word you use but I think you mean enforcement. We need to enforce the law. Anger is a substitute for the rule of law. Justice is blind. I don't see anger in our proposals that we enforce the laws on the books.

Big George
Humble, TX

A touching story, but it ignores how unfair it is to the millions around the world that would like to provide the same opportunity for their children. But because they did not come here illegally when they couldn't come legally, their children do not have the opportunity. So we should reward those who do not play by the rules by rewarding their children?

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

Lots of good comments here. I agree that there should be no anger or bias demonstrated toward illegals, but that the current laws should be enforced. Does that sound unkind or heartless? Perhaps, but I believe we owe our first loyalty to those who are here legally who are unable to find work, or work that will support one's family. I can't help asking why we are giving a higher priority to finding ways to get illegals into college, when over 50% of LEGAL college graduates cannot get work when they leave college! You can't tell me that having 12 million illegals in the country doesn't have a negative impact on job availability for U.S. citizens.

The construction industry is a good example: it has become nearly impossible for U.S. citizens to make a career in the last 10 years. A simple solution would be for each of us building homes, stores or offices to insist that our contractors hire only U.S. citizens. That one step would put hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens back to work.

TombstoneJim
Tombstone, AZ

The young man is an illegal alien, his parents are as well. They should not be given the ability to take up space at such academies and such that actual citizens of the nation could use. In all probability his father and mother use SSANs that are not theirs, their son has gotten a free ride on the US tax payers to this point. I recommend that he not be rewarded further for the criminal activity of his parents by further education for free. Deport his parents and let them enter the country legally, like all those of 'yesteryear" when the law of the land meant something to people.

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SLC, UT

Open the borders to everyone. Anyone who wants to be a citizen of this country can. So long as they are willing to work or pay their own way for things like most people and to pay taxes and insurance like everyone else. If they have received help for things, like scholarships or welfare, be willing to then pay it back over time. It took tax payers and individual donations to provide for welfare and other financial aid programs. Then they can help to create solutions to help all in America to be able to work at a sufficient rate to provide for themselves and their families. Can the whole world fit in the borders of the United States? What needs to be done to improve life in other countries, so that folks are willing to live, work and go to school in their own country? Countries north and south of the US border have colleges and universities, too. What incentives could these schools give to some of these people to draw them back, as well as, invite people from the US to be able to come to them to study and work abroad?

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